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Why are "no-dash" wheel guns better than "dash'ed" ones?
Is it the same reason why people prefer the "first generation" of an item, i.e., automobiles? Don't some of the "dashes" represent updates and/or safety upgrades?
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absolutley!!
they use their "patented new and improver"
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Don't some of the "dashes" represent updates and/or safety upgrades?
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Not necessarily....some of the so-called updates/dashes were simply cost cutting changes that lessened the quality of the guns IMO.
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Don't some of the "dashes" represent updates and/or safety upgrades?
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Some of them. Others are cost cutting measures.
ummm.... and some represent the dreaded "L" word.
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Yes, the lack of dashes, or lower number of the dash, would indicate that the gun is older and better made, higher quality of workmanship.
Same with guns that were made prior to getting a model number assigned which started in 1957.
Then another big milestone is the pre war (WWII) vs post war workmanship.
Of course you realize that this type of information is going to cost you money in the future as your collecting changes. But your not alone.
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Pay no attention to him... nothing said on the Forum will end up costing you money....
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They are NOT all better! Some of the improvements they made along the way actually improved the performance of the gun.
Take for instance the Model 60 Chief's Special Revolver...........
IMHO the 60-7 is the BEST of the lot of M60's because they heat treated the frame specifically for +P's, widened the front sight, and improved overall performance of the J frame. They also had ALL THE GOOD attributes before they "cheapened it up" like the cheaper grips, mim cast parts, internal locks, molded parts on the frame, etc.
That said, I think SOME of the guns that had no dash are more COLLECTIBLE because they were the original first copies put out in the market place. That does NOT necessarily make them better guns, - just more collectible.
By the way...... older guns usually are better made because of older work ethics, BUT there are plenty of instances where newer guns are far superior to older ones. Take for instances the Colt SAA revolvers from the early 80's - pure rubbish! The new Colt SAA's Colt is producing NOW are SPECTACULAR!!! Just one example.
Just my personal opinion of course..........
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Why are "no-dash" wheel guns better than "dash'ed" ones?
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That's an easy one- because they are worth more money when you momentarily loose your mind and sell one of them..........
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It depends. Sometimes a later engineering change is built to the same standard as the earlier one, but was made in smaller numbers and is more collectible. One example would be a 27-1 vs. a 27.
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No longer made, time has caught up with some and they are overy-used, boxes and papers lost, people want to buy them to create a collection, and they mostly just are.
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Speaking of the Model 29, the change to the extractor rod with a left-hand thread (29-1) so it would not loosen due to recoil was an improvement. The change that deleted the cylinder stop plunger screw (29-2) was an improvement in the manufacturing process as the "hole" in front of the trigger guard kept plugging up with material during the bluing process and had to be cleaned out.
Strictly from a collector's point of view, older is considered more collectible and that is why many of the later model variations are considered to be of inferior quality. That is a myth in my opinion.
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The modern Smiths I've owned have been of high quality and usually available at the LGS.
A 50 year old gun in new condition is a little harder to find.
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Collectors call the older guns better and higher quality.
The new guns tend to be tighter and more consistent, though far less elegant in finish and manufacture.
For a shooter there's nothing wrong with buying new. You're not missing much in that respect save for keeping a few bucks in your wallet.
I buy new myself. It gives the collectors more guns to fill the safe with
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If you are a collector, the older ones are better for several reasons. If you are a shooter, especially if you like to shoot full power ammo, the guns made from 1989 to about 1994 are the best ones to have. No mim parts, no locks, all the endurance upgrades, and hammer mounted firing pins.
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Some great info here, thanks fellas.
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What Chief38 said......
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Collectors call the older guns better and higher quality.
The new guns tend to be tighter and more consistent, though far less elegant in finish and manufacture.
For a shooter there's nothing wrong with buying new. You're not missing much in that respect save for keeping a few bucks in your wallet.
I buy new myself. It gives the collectors more guns to fill the safe with
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I have to point out here that the new S&W revolvers are NOT tighter! In fact they have "loosened up" the acceptable barrel cylinder gap to DOUBLE what it once was and judging from some of the examples I've worked on over the past few years , I have to say that S&W's current production QC has worsened quite a bit! In fact I'll go so far as to say it kind of stinks. I have many many friends and fellow Gun Club Members that have had to send their NEW S&W's back to make them right it's unbelievable!
When someone I know asks me my advise about what to buy it's DEFINITELY NOT a new production gun. IMHO the guns from the 60's 70's and early 90's blow away current production in both manufacturing and QC. Just my humble opinion of course and YMMV.
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I like older guns 'cause I'm older, and like to think of myself as better as a result. Though I have to admit that my son is a four inches taller, 25 lbs heavier, and generally better version of me.
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In the case of the 29-1, depending on condition, it rivals all other 29s to include pre-29s in value, and in many cases surpassing them. Supply and demand certainly affect the higher value of the 29-1.
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No dashes or pre models are most valuable to alot of us collectors due to rarity, beauty, as well as perceived & real better function.
Not at all having anything to do with improvements. Many improvements are for the better. Many were to cut costs. Some were to satisfy the Clintons...
Older is better to collectors usually. Quality of the best dash # takes alot of investigation of a different/engineering nature.
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