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The story behind it,,,
I woke up early Thursday (4AM) with a stuffed up head, the dog wanted out, the cat was hungry and my wife had been up, had the coffee going and was back in bed. Not sure why the animals didn't bother her (smart animals I guess) but after them, I sat down with coffee and read the news and such on the computer. After that I looked through the gun sales/auction sites and there it was, a left side and a right side picture and listed as a Model 28. Not having a 6" 28, seeing the target stocks and being able to tell it was a 4 screw frame, I hit the 'buy it now' and sent an e-mail. The gentleman and I exchanged a couple messages and a time was set for Friday after work. We met, exchanged some small talk and I asked him the story with the revolver, he simply said they were moving and could not take it with them (it was obvious to me he didn't care to talk about where or why so I dropped it). In the e-mails, I told him how HPs were my 'thing' and had a few others. That seemed to genuinely please him. I tried to see what the model and serial were then but, my 58 year old eyes and wearing my 7 year old glasses (grabbed the wrong ones), I could not see what it was even with a magnifying glass. We talked some more,, I handed him the amount agreed upon, he wished me a Merry Christmas when he handed it to me (with a big grin on his face, I didn't know what to think of it then). An hour or so later, I was home, hungry and tired. While eating a late supper, I found the magnifying glass and my right glasses and took a look. Got up, walked around the table and looked again. I walked into the living room said "Holy ----" a few times and went back to the revolver to look again. I think I got 2 hours of sleep Friday night. I think the gentleman knew what he gave me, I think his wife knew what he gave me. I was at work at 4:45 AM Saturday walking on cloud 9, I told my boss I would be worthless all day (BTW, it was my last day at that job, start a new one Tuesday). They sent me home early and I took the few pictures you see here. Today was pretty hectic too and I am sorry to say, I didn't have a chance to take more pictures (I do pictures, others here do photographs, much better than my 'pictures').
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Why? If you mean because the 625 is SS, that's why it was named the 625.
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Because the Model 26 is the original tapered barrel .45 revolver making the stainless tapered barrel .45 a 626, or should have been. The 25 is a straight heavy barrel.
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Even Roy has stated that there were no records of a -1. Wouldn't surprise me if that gun received RM status as far a price goes. It at least gives one hope there are others.
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Even Roy has stated that there were no records of a -1. Wouldn't surprise me if that gun received RM status as far a price goes. It at least gives one hope there are others.
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If,,, I decide to part with it (don't hold your breath), our friend Drew has first shot at it.
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I'm confused, as usual. My 3 screw HP has a s/n lower than the 28-1 above (S222986) and has an L stamped on cylinder, but is a 28-2. What gives??
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As stated above, serial numbers are not always actually sequential during engineering changes. So anything like this is possible.
Also, as I stated in my previous reply, the dash 1 change was continued in the dash 2 revolvers. But the absence of the cylinder stop retaining screw was an added feature.
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Added: Sorry, but I saw your post and didn't realize this thread had gone on to a second page. Looks like someone already answered your question. I apologize for the duplication!
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S&W's manufacturing and shipping records don't include the model variation. For example, a 29-2 would just be invoiced as a Model 29 (at least through the mid-60s), so model variations really cannot be verified in the records. However, this 28-1 meets all the criteria of a -1 revolver and is the only one known at this point in time. Only time will tell if more show up and are reported. We never thought we would find a true Model 29-1 until one showed up on this forum several years ago. Since then, forum member 29-1 has located one more.
The interesting thing about the 28-2 with the serial number in the S222000 range is per Roy's book, the change to the 3-screw frame took place at serial number S227149, but as we all say, nothing is impossible with S&W! Apparently, the 28-2 was ahead of its time so to speak and is unique in its own right.
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S&W's manufacturing and shipping records don't include the model variation. For example, a 29-2 would just be invoiced as a Model 29 (at least through the mid-60s), so model variations really cannot be verified in the records. However, this 28-1 meets all the criteria of a -1 revolver and is the only one known at this point in time. Only time will tell if more show up and are reported. We never thought we would find a true Model 29-1 until one showed up on this forum several years ago. Since then, forum member 29-1 has located one more.
The interesting thing about the 28-2 with the serial number in the S222000 range is per Roy's book, the change to the 3-screw frame took place at serial number S227149, but as we all say, nothing is impossible with S&W! Apparently, the 28-2 was ahead of its time so to speak and is unique in its own right.
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Thanks Bill for the above info. As a follow up to the 3 screw change, does anyone here have a 3 screw with a s/n lower than my S222986.
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S221xxx is on post 110 of Allen's HP thread and two S2227xx's in post 105 and 457.
I also came across S221 862 on gunbroker a ways back.
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The story behind it,,,
I woke up early Thursday (4AM) with a stuffed up head, the dog wanted out, the cat was hungry and my wife had been up, had the coffee going and was back in bed. Not sure why the animals didn't bother her (smart animals I guess) but after them, I sat down with coffee and read the news and such on the computer. After that I looked through the gun sales/auction sites and there it was, a left side and a right side picture and listed as a Model 28. Not having a 6" 28, seeing the target stocks and being able to tell it was a 4 screw frame, I hit the 'buy it now' and sent an e-mail. The gentleman and I exchanged a couple messages and a time was set for Friday after work. We met, exchanged some small talk and I asked him the story with the revolver, he simply said they were moving and could not take it with them (it was obvious to me he didn't care to talk about where or why so I dropped it). In the e-mails, I told him how HPs were my 'thing' and had a few others. That seemed to genuinely please him. I tried to see what the model and serial were then but, my 58 year old eyes and wearing my 7 year old glasses (grabbed the wrong ones), I could not see what it was even with a magnifying glass. We talked some more,, I handed him the amount agreed upon, he wished me a Merry Christmas when he handed it to me (with a big grin on his face, I didn't know what to think of it then). An hour or so later, I was home, hungry and tired. While eating a late supper, I found the magnifying glass and my right glasses and took a look. Got up, walked around the table and looked again. I walked into the living room said "Holy ----" a few times and went back to the revolver to look again. I think I got 2 hours of sleep Friday night. I think the gentleman knew what he gave me, I think his wife knew what he gave me. I was at work at 4:45 AM Saturday walking on cloud 9, I told my boss I would be worthless all day (BTW, it was my last day at that job, start a new one Tuesday). They sent me home early and I took the few pictures you see here. Today was pretty hectic too and I am sorry to say, I didn't have a chance to take more pictures (I do pictures, others here do photographs, much better than my 'pictures').
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That is one of those "meant to be" scenario's where all of the planets lined up in your favor, and it was more than just "dumb luck".... you must of did something really solid for someone in the past to be rewarded that way. Congratulations !!
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If,,, I decide to part with it (don't hold your breath), our friend Drew has first shot at it.
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Thanks Mick! How many grandkids you wanna trade for it? I've got a few to spare... I'll throw in an old goat from CT who whittles up some pretty fair S&W stocks and repairs from time to time!
Seriously, I hope you keep it, but if you don't let me know and we can work something out...
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BTW, I have a 6" Highway Patrolman that is within 200 or so frame serials (higher) of Mick's gun and it has a Mod.28 stamp with what looks like a -2 second stamp. it has the "L" and "H" stamps on the rear fo the cylinder, but instead of being between adjacent charging holes, the stamps are between opposing charging holes. The ejector rod head is under cut. I wrote it up and photographed it years ago when I though that it was 'supposed' to be a -1.
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Now I'm getting traded off like a two dollar hooker. Hello. I right here people. Do I get something to say about this?
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BTW, I have a 6" Highway Patrolman that is within 200 or so frame serials (higher) of Mick's gun and it has a Mod.28 stamp with what looks like a -2 second stamp. it has the "L" and "H" stamps on the rear fo the cylinder, but instead of being between adjacent charging holes, the stamps are between opposing charging holes. The ejector rod head is under cut. I wrote it up and photographed it years ago when I though that it was 'supposed' to be a -1.
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Drew is that one a 3 or 4 screw ?
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The interesting thing about the 28-2 with the serial number in the S222000 range is per Roy's book, the change to the 3-screw frame took place at serial number S227149, but as we all say, nothing is impossible with S&W! Apparently, the 28-2 was ahead of its time so to speak and is unique in its own right.
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I have a 6" 28-2 SN S223094.
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Drew, I've got plenty of room for grand kids and oddly enough a spot for a 6" HP.
To the chagrin of some here, I took the 28-1 to the range this morning (yes, I did actually shoot it). "Wonderful" does not begin to describe it. 6 12 gauge hulls were sent into the tumbleweeds with 6 shots at 19 paces (odd number yes, but that's what it was). The trigger on he 28 no dash is much better (it has a target trigger and has been molested) but it is better than the 1955 vintage 5 screw (that gun has maybe 100 rounds through it, yes, I did all of them after cleaning the cosmoline out). I shot it because I told the previous owner it would be taken to the desert and used as it was made to be. I am humbled by the whole thing.
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Get a load of that price tag on the .357s,,, $6.90, dated 12/71 (came with)
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Thanks for more pictures Mick! I'm still drooling........and good for you for shooting the old girl! As you stated, it's what she was built for!
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Just for grins, have you thought about asking the seller if he knew? I know you said you felt that he did ... but wouldn't you like to know for sure?
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Mick
Just for grins, have you thought about asking the seller if he knew? I know you said you felt that he did ... but wouldn't you like to know for sure?
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I sent him an e-mail asking just that, no response yet
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Just goes to show you.........never stop searching.
Nice catch.
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If,,, I decide to part with it (don't hold your breath), our friend Drew has first shot at it.
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If by chance you do decide to let it change hands, Drew would certainly provide a very good home for it and it would stay there for a very long time to come. Drew's a class act!
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Just for grins, have you thought about asking the seller if he knew? I know you said you felt that he did ... but wouldn't you like to know for sure?
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Just checked my e-mail (thanks for the reminder). I am pretty humbled right now.
"Mickey,
I am delighted that you are enjoying the revolver. I wanted it to go to someone who would appreciate it. You have my best wishes for you and your family. Be well, be happy and be safe.
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The story behind it,,,
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Please keep us posted about the details with the previous owner. I know you've asked him the history behind it, how he came by it and how long he had it. Now you've got to find the original box for that bad boy! With your luck that should be easy!
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Please keep us posted about the details with the previous owner. I know you've asked him the history behind it, how he came by it and how long he had it. Now you've got to find the original box for that bad boy! With your luck that should be easy!
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No, I'm looking for a 4",,, think I should post something in the WTB column?
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No, I'm looking for a 4",,, think I should post something in the WTB column?
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Well, I do have a 4" 28-2 you might be able to swap me out of....with Drews permission of course!
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got a 4" -2, S293567
4" 5 screw, S121394
4" 28 4 screw, S202821
6" 28-3, N957711 (got it NIB from my dear wife maybe 7 years ago) with a sticker with a date of 8/14/83 on the box and "Anderson". Always figured it was a date and a name
The -3 is the one that started me on HPs and the very first I had. I want that one to go in the box with me.
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Drew is that one a 3 or 4 screw ?
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Paul, I just dug it out as Mick and I were talking. It's a 3-screw.
Serial number is S225,571.
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Not so bad yourself! :)
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If by chance you do decide to let it change hands, Drew would certainly provide a very good home for it and it would stay there for a very long time to come. Drew's a class act!
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Coming from you Tom, that's a real compliment! Thank You!
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Pssst! DW, Let me close the deal first ... we'll talk later...
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got a 4" -2, S293567
4" 5 screw, S121394
4" 28 4 screw, S202821
6" 28-3, N957711 (got it NIB from my dear wife maybe 7 years ago) with a sticker with a date of 8/14/83 on the box and "Anderson". Always figured it was a date and a name
The -3 is the one that started me on HPs and the very first I had. I want that one to go in the box with me.
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I have seen a few -3s around, and didn't really know what I was looking at. I will have to add one to the "pile" ( ) next time I find one. Not too many of them around!
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I have seen a few -3s around, and didn't really know what I was looking at. I will have to add one to the "pile" ( ) next time I find one. Not too many of them around!
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That's what I found out, Drew was after me for years for it (he has one now)
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Mick, I had a 4" 28-3 for years but needed a 6". I was finally able to nail one down a year or so ago. By the time of the -3 engineering change, longer barrels had already fallen out of vogue and this fact made finding the 6" 28-3 pretty tough. Drew
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I sent out the letter request yesterday on the HP. $50.00? Nope, the printer ink dried up so I had to get that, the ink was more than a new printer (with ink) so I got a new printer, couldn't find any paper the grand kids had not drawn pictures of Mommy, Daddy, Grandpa, Granma, the dog, themselves and what looks like a Rorschach test, with crayons. Stopped by the post office up in Sun City during my lunch break and stood in line with all the blue haired ladies sending Christmas gifts back to the kids the other side of the Mississippi (why do other people's grand kid's baby pictures look so bad) but one noticed my shirt(with company logo) and that worked out into a new customer (maybe). Geez, I just realized I hang around the post office pickin' up old ladies,,, how much lower can this S&W addiction get me?
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Since Gizamo was always on the hunt for one of these I sent him a PM inviting him to check this out.
I, like most others, pretty much believed the dash 1 to only be a result of a quickly enacted engineering change, only existing on paper. This picture will resurrect the drive in many to find another.
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Since Gizamo was always on the hunt for one of these I sent him a PM inviting him to check this out.
I, like most others, pretty much believed the dash 1 to only be a result of a quickly enacted engineering change, only existing on paper. This picture will resurrect the drive in many to find another.
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I sent out the letter request yesterday on the HP. $50.00? Nope, the printer ink dried up so I had to get that, the ink was more than a new printer (with ink) so I got a new printer, couldn't find any paper the grand kids had not drawn pictures of Mommy, Daddy, Grandpa, Granma, the dog, themselves and what looks like a Rorschach test, with crayons. Stopped by the post office up in Sun City during my lunch break and stood in line with all the blue haired ladies sending Christmas gifts back to the kids the other side of the Mississippi (why do other people's grand kid's baby pictures look so bad) but one noticed my shirt(with company logo) and that worked out into a new customer (maybe). Geez, I just realized I hang around the post office pickin' up old ladies,,, how much lower can this S&W addiction get me?
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I am so glad it is Mick that found this....
Giz
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What, no box? Big deal....
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Good find, congrats.........
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Ok, I know that this is an old thread, but I'll bet a lot of us newer members would like to read this information, especially with the recent popularity of the "Ultimate HP thread"...
Best Regards, Les
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You just pegged the HP "cool meter."
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Ok, I know that this is an old thread, but I'll bet a lot of us newer members would like to read this information, especially with the recent popularity of the "Ultimate HP thread"...
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Thanks Les.
Before seeing this, all I knew was I wanted a "pre-model28 with a 4" barrel".
IF I ever find a -1, I'll be sure to tell Mama it's your fault.
That's what I do here. I've got grips/stocks for Smiths I don't own. She responds with "why did buy those, if you don't blah blah blah....." my response is.....because they are freakin cool.
Just ask Weatherby. Paul has probably hung up on her thinking who was that crazy women?
I hope she calls you someday and gives you hell
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Wow, Unicorns do exist.
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Yes, they do. And I was lucky enough to hold that Model 28-1 in my bare hands. The only one known to exist. Quite cool!
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LOL When I opened this thread I thought a 2nd 28-1 had been found.....then noticed the thread is 3 years old.............
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Did OP ever follow up with the results of the letter????
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