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Another Highway Patrolman to the pile, a 28-1
Brings me up to only 5. Still looking for a non model marked 4 screw but this is the latest
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Mick - your first picture appears to show 28-1 ...........
am I seeing right? That's a rare bird and maybe the only one!
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Do you know this is an Amazing Day for all HP Collectors?
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Just trying to help. It came from a fellow in Tempe (very nice fellow, friendly, knowledgeable gentleman). Seemed genuinely glad to have me end up with it. The stocks are not numbered at all, it has been shot some, left hand threads on the extractor but it is not numbered, neither is the barrel or cylinder but I suppose that went away with all of them around this time period.
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The Standard catalog shows the 28-1 and the extractor rod changed from Right Hand to left hand..
Wow...Nice find...Congrats...What a Great 4 Screw
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I had to google and then search the forum...You are one lucky Fella...You have found what most of us here hope to...Congrats...
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Wow, I can't believe I'm actually looking at my white whale. Thanks for sharing.
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BINGO!!!
We have a winner...
You don't happen to have Registered Magnum #1 do you??
I suggest you run, not walk, to this thread immediately:
The ultimate Highway Patrolman thread.including N frame ser# ranges
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Your 28-1 is extremely RARE! Not only have I never seen one, I've never heard of one. Model 27-1s are rare but I do have a couple. You need to get the gun lettered ASAP to make sure it's for real. Then get ready for lots of PMs.
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Congratulations on finding a gun that has been talked about being made in theory only - to this date. Now that we know they actually made one Model 28-1, it follows that they made more than one - encouragement to us all!
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Guess the 28-1 does exist but now how many? Do you have any other rare guns? Larry
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Beautiful....Just beautiful
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A great find that has been talked about for years. Similar to the reporting (quite a few years ago now) of a Model 29-1 with a 4-screw frame and an extractor rod with a left hand thread. Just curious, is there an L stamped on the rear surface of the cylinder?
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Congratulations on that fine HP. Like the others have mentioned, I have never seen a 28-1.
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Jackpot!:
What year would a dash one have been manufactured?
GF
(S 225243 looks like the #)
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Reason: don't have the book handy.
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Guys, let him get cleaned up. It's not every day one falls in the outhouse and pulls out the prize. Azmick how many gold coins were in you other hand?
Congrats, this will be a great story to follow. Please keep us updated.
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What an incredible find. Congratulations
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Good gracious gurdy...... You just found that needle in the haystack. Congratulations! I am guessing 1961/62.
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If I hadn't seen the picture, I would have never believed it.
Trade you a 4-screw, non-model marked HP for it
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Quite the find ......of course Allen-frame is going to have to amend the Highway Patrolman thread now. Some of the -2's even have lower serial numbers. Looking forward to hearing more about the gun.
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That is really something special. I am looking forward to hearing the story behind it.
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Jackpot!:
What year would a dash one have been manufactured?
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The book says the change was 1960, but it could be that the order for it was given, and no 28's got the dash one changes until '61 or '62 even. One this rare, who knows.
I wouldn't be surprised if you find a mint one somewhere GF.
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WOW! I'm speechless. that is awesome! Lets find some more......and Bigfoot and Jimmy Hoffa while we're at it!
I WANT ONE!!!!!!
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WOW! I'm speechless. that is awesome! Lets find some more......and Bigfoot and Jimmy Hoffa while we're at it!
I WANT ONE!!!!!!
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Why, were they each holding one when they were spotted or went missing?
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I couldn't believe my eyes!! I have been around here for quite awhile and no one has seen a 28-1 until now. And a 4 screw frame to boot! You absolutely must get that lettered.
Congratulations. You may have the only one ever made! Well, probably not, but there are not very many, for sure.
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A great find that has been talked about for years. Similar to the reporting (quite a few years ago now) of a Model 29-1 with a 4-screw frame and an extractor rod with a left hand thread. Just curious, is there an L stamped on the rear surface of the cylinder?
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Bill - I talked to OP on the phone right after initial post and asked him about the the L stamp on cylinder.........
He said that it has the L stamp
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Bill - I talked to OP on the phone right after initial post and asked him about the the L stamp on cylinder.........
He said that it has the L stamp
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He also posted a pic earlier tonight of the L Stamp on the cylinder in the ultimate HP thread started by AllenFrame It has a H and an L stamped on the cylinder.
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Mick, when you get a chance, get me a lottery ticket and mail it to me. what a find. let us know how it shoots. LOL. thanks for sharing. lee
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I am speechless! Well, almost....congratulations Mick!
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It's a Miracle!
Amazing! Congratulations on a truly unique acquisition. I feel privileged to even gaze upon a picture of one. I also live in Tempe. Does your gentleman acquaintance have any more one-of-kind guns that he'd like to sell?
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Thanks for all the comments gentlemen. It was an extremely lucky find but, I do not do lottery tickets. My next search will be for Jimmy Buffet's lost salt shaker.
My other S&Ws are rather common, a 4" 1955 HP, a 4" Model 28, a 4" 28-2 and a 6" 28-3 rounding out the HPs with a 4" 25-5 and a 2 1/2" 19-2.
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As my dad would have said (God rest his soul), "Oh my!"
I've been looking for a dash one for maybe 30 years! This is the first one I've ever seen. Good going!!! Congrats on finding an extremely rare bird. This encourages me to keep looking.
WOW!
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Congratulations, Mick! I guess Linda and I are going to have to make a trip to Phoenix!
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Congrats on your find. I would say that's the Holy Grail of the HP's for sure ... The first one I've ever seen Very Nice Indeed...
Thanks for sharing
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I wonder if it's the ONLY one...........
Only time will tell. Well, at least, we now KNOW they exist!
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"This one brings me up to only 5"
I think you can probably stop now. You're not going to top that find.
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"This one brings me up to only 5"
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Nope!
He'll probably find one of the nickel ones next!!!
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Ditto to all the comments from other good wishers.
Your pictures hint at but don't show barrel length, and you haven't mentioned it that I read. Everyone is so blown away by the Model marking, no one has mentioned the barrel length. Is it 6" or the more common 4"? Inquiring minds (and N-frame fans) want to know, I'm sure.
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I'm glad you wrote that. For many years, the 4" HP was everywhere. I've owned my share of them (and loved them all). The 6" version was not that easy to come by - at least in Oregon and Alaska where I've lived since returning from 'Nam. But now I see the 6" version all the time and rarely see them for sale with a 4" barrel.
What gives?
I wonder what the production ratio really was. Since LE agencies usually wanted 4" barrels, I have to believe they are, indeed, more common, but recent experience simply does not bear this out.
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azmick---Congrats on such a rare find and thanks for sharing with us.
Doc44 & VM----I'm always wanting to learn something new..will you explain the significance of the "L" stamped on the cylinder??
Thanks,
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I'm not either of those guys, but the L stamped on the cylinder indicates the threads on the extractor rod were left handed. That is the change that the dash 1 indicates.
On the HP, the dash 2 change came along before very many were made with the LH extractor rod and the change was rolled into the dash 2, along with its redesigned cylinder stop. Hence the rarity of the Model 28-1.
I hope this helps.
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woodsltc
I'm not either of those guys, but the L stamped on the cylinder indicates the threads on the extractor rod were left handed. That is the change that the dash 1 indicates.
On the HP, the dash 2 change came along before very many were made with the LH extractor rod and the change was rolled into the dash 2, along with its redesigned cylinder stop. Hence the rarity of the Model 28-1.
I hope this helps.
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Jack...thanks for the info.
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I'm confused, as usual. My 3 screw HP has a s/n lower than the 28-1 above (S222986) and has an L stamped on cylinder, but is a 28-2. What gives??
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I'm confused, as usual. My 3 screw HP has a s/n lower than the 28-1 above (S222986) and has an L stamped on cylinder, but is a 28-2. What gives??
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Guns weren't made strictly on engineering change mandates. They were made from parts that had been made and put into bins to be used as needed, and/or until used up. Your gun would be an early -2, so the L on the cylinder is not surprising.
Frames were not used in order of number, but were simply grabbed from a parts bin and used as needed. The OP's could have easily been serialized, then grabbed out of the parts bin, stamped 28-1 and used to build the gun he has before the mandate for the dash two engineering change came down. I'm not sure how that would work exactly with the change to eliminate the hole in front of the trigger guard for the stop screw. Perhaps some 4 screw frames were used up for the very early -2 guns?
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It is a 6" gun. The anomalies of everything S&W never ceases to amaze me. The 25-5 is a perfect example, same model can be had with a pinned barrel or without . They made th rules and then broke every one of them. The 625 Mountain Gun with the tapered barrel should be marked a 626 but they stuck with the '25'. Odd bunch in Springfield to be sure.
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12-08-2013, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by azmick
It is a 6" gun. The anomalies of everything S&W never ceases to amaze me. The 25-5 is a perfect example, same model can be had with a pinned barrel or without . They made th rules and then broke every one of them. The 625 Mountain Gun with the tapered barrel should be marked a 626 but they stuck with the '25'. Odd bunch in Springfield to be sure.
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Why? If you mean because the 625 is SS, that's why it was named the 625.
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