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Old 12-12-2013, 10:42 AM
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I have a Hand Ejector 22LR with no model number (or anything else) on the yoke. The serial number (on the front grip strap) is 584207. It has a 6" barrel with an adjustable rear sight. However the notched blade is missing. I inherited the gun and it has been in storage for the last 30 years.
I would like to have the model ID and approximate year of manufacture. Also I would like to have the rear sight repaired and the gun inspected by a qualified gunsmith before I fire it. I live in the Northern Virginia area and would appreciate it if someone could recommend a local gunsmith so I do not have to ship it.
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:33 AM
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It is a Heavy Frame Target Revolver with service as opposed to target stocks. Off the top of my head (w/o THE book), I guess the early '30's.

I am sure that a more precise date will be forth-coming. The rear sight blade may well be a challenge.

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Old 12-12-2013, 11:34 AM
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That appears to be a 22/32 Heavy Frame Target. Often referred to as a Bekeart Model after the store that ordered many of this model from S&W to establish it as a catalog item. It is an "I" Frame, and smaller than a K Frame. That S/N put's it late, possibly as a Postwar or transitional version. At the time (1911) when this revolver was designed, the only other .22 RF was the tiny Lady Smith, so this largest (at that time) .22 was dubbed the "Heavy Frame Target". Someone should be along soon that hopefully knows of a gunsmith in your area. Parts for that model may be difficult to locate, but a sight blade should be able to be made up form stock.

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Old 12-12-2013, 11:38 AM
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Mike
Check the serial number again I think the serial number is 38 not 58
there is a serial number on the under side of the barrel and on the cyl
use a light and a Mag to see it.
the gun is a I frame called the Heavy target model. if the serial number is
384207 it would be a 30, gun as for the rear blade they are hard to find
you will mostly have to have one made.
Any good gun smith can check the function of the gun for you.
a couple more pictures will help to date it of the cly face and the under side of the barrel for the serial number
the grips look to be original they should also have a serial number on them in pencil.
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:52 PM
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I (and most members) love the 22/32's. You gun has the early, narrow blade front sight. When you have a replacement rear blade made, it should have a narrow, "U" shaped notch. The later production had a wider, flat-topped front (Patridge) sight which went with a square-notch rear.

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As good as my failing eyesight can tell, the first digit is a 3. A .22/32 Target in the 584K range would be the rarely (if ever) seen Transitional model. I have been looking for one for quite some time now. The pictured HE has the one line address, large knob, etc. of the pre-war models. Good luck on your search for a blade. It is the season of miracles...so you never know...Lee.
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I'm going to agree with the crowd and say that's a fairly late Heavy Frame Target Model. It has the Regulation Police style grips rather than the old "Beakert" type larger target type grips... mine from around the same era has the same grips and I am rather fond of them. As my info at the corner says, I'm from down somewhat South of you (Lynchburg, VA) but I get up to NOVA pretty regularly, so maybe I can help you out on it a little. Also, there is is a gunsmith down in SW VA (Dave Clemmons??) who makes repro sights for the pre-War Smiths. He should be able to fix you up with a sight blade. As for checking over the rest of it... I'd be more than happy to check it out for you next time I'm in NOVA... no charge 'cause I just enjoy meeting new people and playing with old Smiths.

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Froggie

PS Send me a PM and we can arrange a get together if you are interested.

PPS are the two tiny screws that are supposed to go in from the sides and hold the rear sight blade still there? That's important. Also, get some oil on that thing ASAP. Just squirt any old oil (even motor oil) on a rag and rub it all over the gun. At this point, even the grips wouldn't be hurt by a little oil massage. Stop that rust before it gets deeper!

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Don't even bother looking for a sight blade (other than the reproduction mentioned above). It's child's play to make one----they are flat---made from .040" sheet metal (originals are steel)---tempered aluminum (6061-T6) works fine---and is easy to whittle. The most difficult part of the entire operation is holding on to it while you're whittling----so don't work with a little blank----use a piece about the size of a stick of gum. Stick it in a vise, and have at it. When you're finished----all except for separating it from the blank, one snip and a little touch up with a file, and you're done-----aside from making it black/blue.

If you like, send a PM to me with your address; and I'll send a drawing/dimensions to you.

Ralph Tremaine

And I likely can come up with a piece of aluminum for you----or steel---whatever.

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Old 12-13-2013, 11:48 AM
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Closer examination proves you to be correct.
The serial number is 384207.
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Old 12-14-2013, 06:10 AM
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Mike,

Welcome to the forum.

The closest date of shipment to yours in my database is #379160 shipped 1923 (Oct). And the stamping "MADE IN USA" on the right side proves a build date after mid-1922.

The one anomaly on your 22/32 HFT is the stocks. Those in the period when your gun was probably assembled had no medallions. Yours has flat silver medallions which weren't introduced until 1929 and used thru WW II. Also stocks were numbered in pencil c. 1900 and back to stamped #s in 1929. You'll need a very bright light, sunlight is best, to see the penciled numbers.

So they may be replacements. But if they have the matching serial number to your gun stamped on the backside of the right stock, they are original and indicate your gun was shipped much later and way out of serial number order, but that is not uncommon.
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Can't tell for sure, but the end of the hammer shown in the 2nd photo, appears to be damaged??? It should be smooth and not as jagged as your photo makes it appear...
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