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Most desirable pre model marked Smith ... Other than a RM
OK guys let's hear it.
What is your personally most desirable Pre Model marked Smith? And why?
Only two rules.
~No choosing the RM, that just not fair to all the other great guns
~No choosing "birth year, month, day, second .... Guns. One it just points out to us young guys that we were never alive to enjoy quality hand built America craftsmanship and it is a cop out unless you choose a specific model with it too.
I'll start.
I love K frames. Maybe because they are the first Smiths I owned, maybe because I always felt that they were the underdogs to their big cousin the N frame. But most likely it was because I used to be able to find cheap Ks when every N was at least twice as much.
I think the king of the K frame is the Combat Magnum! Not a ton were made and everyone I have handled were absolute works of art!
I've managed to get two to follow me home. These guys kinda bookend the Combat Mag serial span 262xxx and 317xxx
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OK, I'll bite - a Triple Lock (New Century) Target.
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Transitional target 1926.
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The answer depends on what area you focus on in your collecting pursuits. For me, I focus on N-frames from the 50s and 60s, so my answer is a first year 44 Magnum in its original case with accessories.
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For me, it would be any N-frame from the 30's through 1957. I can't remember the last S&W I bought that didn't fit into that group.
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The answer depends on what area you focus on in your collecting pursuits. For me, I focus on N-frames from the 50s and 60s, so my answer is a first year 44 Magnum in its original case with accessories.
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=) that's the point
It is fun to see what different focuses people have and how that shapes what they consider desirable.
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I kinda need/want a .44 Special 4" nickel TL.......
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At this time for me it would be a pristine pre-war kit gun with the box and all the goodies of course :-)
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Any N frame prior to 1940. The weight, the craftsmanship, the era of big bores and iron men and their time in history. The fact that they are difficult to acquire or at least a challenge. These are factors that draw me to these works of art. I am particularly drawn to the 44S&W Special, all models. The sound of the lock work as you cycle and feel the smooth action at lock up, the roar of the big bore as the crisp trigger lets loose of the sear. The way it feels in your hand, these are some of the factors that influence my pick for top S&Ws.
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The absolute "holy grail" of S&W would have to be the Triple Lock Target in about any caliber, but especially in 44 S&W Special. This would be followed on a slightly less mythic plane by the first of the 44 Magnum revolvers of the mid- to late '50s. Only slightly less desirable would be the post-War K-32s with 6" tapered barrel and narrow rib and their companion early post-war K-22s. Only the last of these is affordable by mere mortals so that's the only one I have, but I can still dream of #1 and #3 on the list as my own bucket list. I'll have to make do with my Model 29-2 to cover #4.
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I'd like to have one of those Third Model Wolf and Klars that has been blinged up with those steer head grips and that cheap pawn shop engraving. A real BBQ gun.
Or anything modified by D.W. King.............
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How about a post war M76, 9mm with lots of spare parts- You said there were only 2 rules---Oh and a tax stamp and a different State of Residence.
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I have several 44 specials including a 1926 target, a pre 24, and a second model target. Also have a pre 29. No box.
But- pre war K-22 is my selection. I would love to have one!
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M&P Target as shown at the head of this board.
I had an opportunity to buy a 4" M&P Target, ancestor of the Combat Masterpiece, many years ago but turned it down because the trigger return was sluggish. Probably just needed an unclipped rebound spring. But I did not know that and was cautious with limited funds.
I think a Regulation Police Target is about the cutest little thing in the lineup, but kind of light by modern standards.
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How badly do you want one? How much are you willing to part with to get it?
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The answer depends on what area you focus on in your collecting pursuits. For me, I focus on N-frames from the 50s and 60s, so my answer is a first year 44 Magnum in its original case with accessories.
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Beautiful pair and my personal favorites as well,
Your K-262xxx is definitely a Pre Model 19 but technically your K-317xxx Combat Magnum is "Non Model Marked Combat Magnum" or "Non model marked Model 19".
Pre Models were made before the Model marking process began where Non Model marked guns slipped through without a Model marking after the practice of model marking had begun.
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Though my collection has made many turns….
1. 1st 2 years of RM in box with tube and certificate and screwdriver
2. Early target Triple-Locks and #3s
3. Pre-War K-32, .32 M&P, and .32-20 Targets
4. 1940 K-22(2nd model)
5. Early .44 Magnum in case with accessories.
depending on FOCUS….this list goes on. For ME, #3 above.
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Well, they are all desirable, but adjustable-sight models are more desirable to me than the fixed-sight guys. Among the target models, increased desirability is pretty heavily correlated with scarcity.
So I guess my preferences, arranged mostly in descending order of frame size, would run like this:
Triple Lock target revolvers.
Early Masterpiece (or Masterpiece precursor) K-frames in any caliber beginning in 1940 and continuing through the five-screw guns with no or narrow barrel ribs.
I-frame .32 target models, particularly of the 1903 and Regulation Police variety.
Prewar .22/32 Kit Guns, which are just about the most generally useful and perfectly proportioned revolver that S&W ever built.
Of course I hunger for a K-32 first model from the late 1930s like the one at the top of this page, but I suspect I may wait a long time before I have a chance to add one of those to the safe.
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Wells now Dick....
I'm purty sure we might come to some kinda understanding
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Did Carroll tell ya that he ended up with the ol four inch 3rd model with the ivories of mine?
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Desirable to own and shoot: Target model Triplelock
Desirable to collect and own: Schofields
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Wow, this would be a tough one to answer.??? Ok,some where between the 1905 M&Ps and one 1917, 45acp. I just love the triggers on them. Smooth! And light a real joy to shoot.
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Since I only have one.
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Right now I am chasing a post war / pre Model 23. 6 1/2" 38/44 Outdoorsman Model of 1950 which should fill the bill very nicely. I own or have owned most of the others referred to but have never even laid hands on one of these. But that could all change Thursday.
There was this 1 5" tapered barrel 5 screw 44 Magnum pre 29 that I let slip through my fingers at a Virginia gun show several years ago that makes me wish I had a time machine.
Or maybe that Roper stocked K-22 masterpiece that I passed on a couple of years later at another show.
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Keith 44 Spec.
You did not say which one you were looking for so I posted one of each.
The 4 inch Targets are really scarce less than 3 or 4 Known and the fixed sight nickels are not much better est. less than 100 4 inch nickels.
O by the way I have a box for the 4 inch nickel.
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I have changed my mind about 15 times since I started reading this thread.
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I'll answer for Bill. They are original. That gun was used for an article in Argosy Magazine in 1956.
I have always loved that gun due to those stocks. They have to be one of the finest sets I have ever seen
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I would have to say pre war "Outdoorsman's" revolvers of either type...
Of course, the box and goodies add to the desirability...
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Your K-262xxx is definitely a Pre Model 19 but technically your K-317xxx Combat Magnum is "Non Model Marked Combat Magnum" or "Non model marked Model 19".
Pre Models were made before the Model marking process began where Non Model marked guns slipped through without a Model marking after the practice of model marking had begun.
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I would have to take a bit of an exception to the above distinction. All of the K317XXX and even some of the K318XXX Combat Magnums that I recall seeing have no model marking and I would therefore refer to them as pre-19's. I own K318014 and it too is not model marked. As an aside I also own K260035 that I purchased several years ago from Lee.
Early in my "collecting career", I thought that the only COOL gun that S&W made was the Combat Magnum. In an effort to collect one of every P&R CM and every finish and every barrel length, I purchased almost every one that I found. I came pretty close - I'm missing a few 5"ers and a few 3"ers and some nickel ones here and there. But...then I discovered the pre-war and early post-war guns and I was really hooked.
I also agree with several of the above posters that at any given point, I might answer the question of my favorite "pre model marking S&W" differently.
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I'm an N frame kinda guy. My favs are:
- Prewar HD, OD, .44 Military and Target models.
- Transition OD. Possibly the finest large frame .38 ever produced.
- 1950 model OD, .357 Magnum, and .44 Special Target.
If I had to pick, then:
Prewar 4" and 5" HD and 1926 Model .44 Military.
Transition OD.
1950 Model .357 pre-27.
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Pre and post war targets get my motor running the most.
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You did say I can't pick a Registered magnum, so I'll pick a non-Registered magnum.
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.44 3rd model Wolf & Klar.
or.. a 38/44 4" long action Transitional...)
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My Model of 1950 .357 Magnum in 6.5".
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Easy answer for me.... Pre 27. Unbelievable Shooter, wonderful lines, 38 spcl, 357 Magnum, my absolute favorite caliber.... What's not to like.
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Oh, probly somethin' in .44 special or .357.......though them Outdoorsmen sure have an appeal!
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Well, I like K Frame Masterpiece revolvers and .32 is my favorite caliber, so for me it's gotta be the K-32...
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45 ACP
I am particularly fond of 45 ACP revolvers, like this pre-26:
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I have a thing for single shot S&W's
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Originally Posted by bmg60
Keith 44 Spec.
You did not say which one you were looking for so I posted one of each.
The 4 inch Targets are really scarce less than 3 or 4 Known and the fixed sight nickels are not much better est. less than 100 4 inch nickels.
O by the way I have a box for the 4 inch nickel.
Jim
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Jim,
Now I am in a quandary, I quess the fixed sighted nickel would fit the bill
If'n I get up to the Big Sky country after spring break-up,
I'll bring a wheelbarrow full of cash along with me....
I surely enjoyed our visit at Tulsa, thank you again for the kind hospitality.
All My best,
Dave
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Any model with the words CLUB PISTOL, here is an example. Triple Lock CLUB PISTOL 088, by Factory letter “Factory records show that this revolver with serial number 088 was shipped from our factory on November 21, 1906 and delivered to G. Allen, no address listed. This was one of a group of 12 .44 Hand Ejector New Century manufactured in 1906. This was the first group of these revolvers produced and they were generally provided to target shooters. This is the lowest of the serial number (088-099), but was not the first one recorded as being shipped.”
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