Mystery to me

gaucho1 · #1 05-10-2014, 02:03 AM

I have not seen this type of round top stocks before.

They are like regular rounded bottom square magnas, but the top is similar to much earlier types.

I looked them over, they look factory with no evidence of
a rework modification. Could be just a really good job......

Are they known? What time frame?

Thank you for any comments.
John

Rick_A · #2 05-10-2014, 02:15 AM

They look a lot like these factory stocks on a 2009 22-4:

murphydog · #3 05-10-2014, 07:04 AM

I believe these have been reshaped at their tops; in those areas they resemble service stocks from the 1930 decade, but I don't think they came from the factory like this, at least in a K frame square butt style. Someone will be along to say I'm wrong if so...

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80sgyrene · #4 05-10-2014, 07:07 AM

I agree with Murphydog, those are factory Magnas reshaped into service grips. Notice the later style checkering.

JSW · #5 05-10-2014, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 80sgyrene

I agree with Murphydog, those are factory Magnas reshaped into service grips. Notice the later style checkering.

I agree with the others. Standard postwar grips, somebody has been whittling on ‘em.

beagleye · #6 05-10-2014, 08:29 AM

I concur, post war magnas been modified.

s&wchad · #7 05-10-2014, 08:31 AM

S&W did produce some "transitional" service stocks with the round top and coarser radius corner post-war checkering.

I've seen a round butt M&P that a local forum member purchased with numbered transitional service stocks and I frame versions are well known. You grips appear to have some finish added, so it's difficult to say if they came like that or not. If there's a serial number on the back, you may be able to determine a time frame (could be an S or an early C prefix gun).

Sebago Son · #8 05-10-2014, 09:02 AM

Chad is correct.

Here's a snapshot...

It should be remembered that very late, pre-war pre-magnas have a very similar shape, but were somewhat thinner.

Masterpiece · #9 05-10-2014, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s&wchad

S&W did produce some "transitional" service stocks with the round top and coarser radius corner post-war checkering.

While it is true there are Post-War Service Stocks with Rounded Tops, the pair the OP posted is "Not" an example of them!!

I believe you'll realize this if he would post a photo of them attached to a Sq.Butt K-Frame & you'd see the area above the Medallions...where they were modified...will blend down nearly flush with the side of the Frame...Not stand a bit proud as the Post-War Round Top Style do!!

VM · #10 05-10-2014, 10:01 AM

The easiest way to prove gaucho1 grips are modified is to see a picture of the inside.
Factory, original, round top service grips have NO washer on inside opposite of the medallion.
I'm confident that gaucho1's has black washers.

gaucho1 · #11 05-10-2014, 12:30 PM

Based on what has been posted..........modified

Right grip is very evenly stamped with #624221, no prefix.

Yes, black washers....and the margin around the medallion is indeed tapered to the frame with a circular chisel shape.

I also noted a shinny coating.

I like the look and would love to find the factory correct
version.

Thanks Guys

DWalt · #12 05-10-2014, 03:49 PM

That SN would indicate probable late 1933-early 1934 (assuming they are from a pre-war M&P). If not pre-war, it would indicate they are from the early 1960s, which is very unlikely. There have been several discussions here about postwar round-butt snubbie M&Ps known to have round-top wooden grips which are correct.

Nice to know someone else uses Crown Royal bags for gun storage.

Hondo44 · #13 05-10-2014, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaucho1

I have not seen this type of round top stocks before.

They are like regular rounded bottom square magnas, but the top is similar to much earlier types.

I looked them over, they look factory with no evidence of
a rework modification. Could be just a really good job......

Are they known? What time frame?

Thank you for any comments.
John

John,

They are clearly post war stocks; post war medallions and round cornered checkering-border. However, round tops with both characteristics are known.

Although there were post war round top transitional stocks before 1950, the PC (Plain Clothes) stocks and the black washers were not introduced until 1952.

And they are clearly real PC stocks. PCs can not be replicated without detection because the bottom border of the checkering field is higher than the square edged Magna stocks.

If compared to "genuine" round tops from a side view (cross section), I believe you'll find the wood thickness in the area of the medallions on yours is significantly thicker.

Hope that helps,

gaucho1 · #14 05-10-2014, 06:59 PM

Then...........on the other hand...........look at this

Very similar to the SB

Notice these also seem to lack thickness as they contact the frame at the half moon.

This just arrived at my FFL. These are auction pics, so I don't
have the grips to look at.

What are the chances.....a square and a round show up one day apart..

I am guessing these do not have the medallion washer.

Hondo44 · #15 05-10-2014, 07:27 PM

I'd agree with your guess. Those look like authentic round tops. You'll be able to compare thickness with these as well.

Has the hammer been ground?

handejector · #16 05-10-2014, 07:31 PM

You guys need to read all the posts.
They are magnas which someone has altered. I've seen it done several times through the years.

Hondo44 · #17 05-10-2014, 07:42 PM

Yeah, Magnas. Who's disagreeing?

gaucho1 · #18 05-10-2014, 08:28 PM

Hondo..........I believe "You guys" actually refers to me.

I agree that they are modified magnas, but I thought it was interesting that a gun I just purchased has what looks like the RB version.

The similarity to my eye is the more modern style of checkering.

Given the typical attention given to variation minutiae, this coarse comparison may only intrigue the proud owner.

Me