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Forgive me if I ask more than once but the information in my brain is beginning to overload. I have notes written on papers and envelopes and I am forgetting which ones I have added and which ones need to be added, but the database is growing and many things are beginning to make sense even in the crazy world of S&W and their shipping practices.

444,595 has 2 screw extension stocks with gold medallions. My data base shows that these should not have medallions during this timeframe. Are they numbered to the gun?

Roger, what size knob does your gun have, I can't tell from the photo. I believe that it should still be the large mushroom style.

There are two "barrel" knobs if you wish. One is large, sometimes referred to as the "mushroom" and one is medium. The medium is still cut into the barrel bottom. For my purposes, I refer to them as Large and medium. I have saved "small" for those guns that have the knurling on the end of the extractor rod that is the same size front to back. No barrel cut required.

Not saying this is official S&W termonology, just what I am using in my database. Not sure if any 22/32's have the small knob but if anyone has one made near the end of production in 1953, perhaps that mystery can be solved.
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James, This is my Club Gun, I don't know if this should be included in your research or not. I have another .22/32 HFT that I'll dig out later.
Quoted directly from the factory letter.
"Company records indicate that your handgun with serial number 0345 was shipped from our factory on May 29, 1928 and delivered to Dana Bull, Springfield MA. The Bull's were part of the Wesson family. Sarah Wesson, D. B. Wesson's daughter married Dr. Bull of Worcester MA. They were divorced and she lived with her father in Springfield. One of the Dr. Bull's family also married Florence Wesson and worked at S&W. But I have no records as to Dana Bull in my notes on the family." The serial number 0345 appears on the frame, cylinder, extractor and the barrel. It now has a 2" barrel. The serial stamp on the barrel obviously is from a later stamp. There is a rework diamond stamp on the frame and the barrel. This gun has a humpback hammer. There is no mention of stocks in the factory letter.
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What model do you have with a 4 digit serial #, a Club Gun? 22/32 I frame Target Models all have 6 digit serial #s. What am I missing?
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Forgive me if I ask more than once but the information in my brain is beginning to overload. I have notes written on papers and envelopes and I am forgetting which ones I have added and which ones need to be added, but the database is growing and many things are beginning to make sense even in the crazy world of S&W and their shipping practices.

444,595 has 2 screw extension stocks with gold medallions. My data base shows that these should not have medallions during this timeframe. Are they numbered to the gun?

Roger, what size knob does your gun have, I can't tell from the photo. I believe that it should still be the large mushroom style.

There are two "barrel" knobs if you wish. One is large, sometimes referred to as the "mushroom" and one is medium. The medium is still cut into the barrel bottom. For my purposes, I refer to them as Large and medium. I have saved "small" for those guns that have the knurling on the end of the extractor rod that is the same size front to back. No barrel cut required.

Not saying this is official S&W termonology, just what I am using in my database. Not sure if any 22/32's have the small knob but if anyone has one made near the end of production in 1953, perhaps that mystery can be solved.
My 22/32 what i am assuming is the large as it has 2 cuts in the barrel.
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Forgive me if I ask more than once but the information in my brain is beginning to overload. I have notes written on papers and envelopes and I am forgetting which ones I have added and which ones need to be added, but the database is growing and many things are beginning to make sense even in the crazy world of S&W and their shipping practices.

444,595 has 2 screw extension stocks with gold medallions. My data base shows that these should not have medallions during this timeframe. Are they numbered to the gun?

Roger, what size knob does your gun have, I can't tell from the photo. I believe that it should still be the large mushroom style.

There are two "barrel" knobs if you wish. One is large, sometimes referred to as the "mushroom" and one is medium. The medium is still cut into the barrel bottom. For my purposes, I refer to them as Large and medium. I have saved "small" for those guns that have the knurling on the end of the extractor rod that is the same size front to back. No barrel cut required.

Not saying this is official S&W termonology, just what I am using in my database. Not sure if any 22/32's have the small knob but if anyone has one made near the end of production in 1953, perhaps that mystery can be solved.
My 22/32 has what i am assuming is the large as it has 2 cuts in the barrel.
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There are two "barrel" knobs if you wish. One is large, sometimes referred to as the "mushroom" and one is medium. The medium is still cut into the barrel bottom. For my purposes, I refer to them as Large and medium. I have saved "small" for those guns that have the knurling on the end of the extractor rod that is the same size front to back. No barrel cut required.

Not saying this is official S&W termonology, just what I am using in my database. Not sure if any 22/32's have the small knob but if anyone has one made near the end of production in 1953, perhaps that mystery can be solved.
James,

I think your way is the most logical when discussing these for the greatest clarity. Just not enough post war HFTs to know what they had pre 1953.

However many more post war Transitional 22/32 Kit guns have been seen and they have medium knobs on a few of the earliest after the war, but most, both early and late, have the 'small'; the straight rod with knurled tip and left hand thread. This is consistent with all I, and except for the LH thread, also K and N frame Transitionals.
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SN 226160 shipped on April 1 1916 and delivered to Mr. O. C. Alderman, no address listed. Shipped with a 6 inch barrel, blue finish, checkered walnut grips. (This gun still has these stocks on it.)

SN 409017 shipped on May 26, 1925 and delivered to L. Skelly, no address listed. Shipped with a 6 inch barrel, adjustable rear target sight, blue finish, and chechered extension walnut non-medallion target grips.
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Jim JSR111, I would be interested in any info that you could provide on my 22/32 revolver. This gun was given to me as a birthday present for my 12 th birthday in May of 1958, by my parents. The ser # is 368847 and its on the frame in front of the grip. It can be seen without removing the grip. Its also on the rear of the cylinder. Assembly # is 5286 on the frame and crane. The sights are similar looking to the picture posted by 1blindref. Revolver has a 6 inch bbl. I had it lettered by Mr. Jinks on April 20, 1978. He called it a Hand Ejector model which is sometimes called a 22/32 Bekeart model. The grips that came with this gun are not the Bekeart type but are slightly longer than the frame. They are flat on the bottom. They are checkered and a wood diamond surrounds the grip.
screws. They do not have a S & W medallion. Condition is about 85 to 90 % and the grips have a scratch on the left grip towards the bottom. Mr Jinks goes on to say that this gun was shipped from the factory on March 27, 1923 and was purchased by Edward Tryon Company in Philadelphia, Pa. I know that the firing pin has been replaced in the late 1950's or early 1960's. My father was a tool and die maker for the General Electric Co in Philadelphia and the replacement pin was made in the tool room. I have a spare pin and several other internal parts. I hope that this info helps you with the research that you are doing.
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John, thanks for the information. Based on guns near yours in the database, I would assume that your gun has the large mushroom shaped knob on the extractor rod, a small S&W logo on the left side, Made in USA on the right side and the stocks are the regulation police style.

The change from the regulation police style back to the 2 screw extension target type stock was issued on 8/29/1923 or about 5 months after your gun was shipped. Your shipping destination sounded familiar so I looked through the database and found one other entry that shipped to E. K. Tryon Co., Philadelphia, PA. It is serial number 138,911 and shipped on 8/1/1911. It is interesting to note that it shipped in the same month but 12 years before yours and falls into the range of numbers associated with the Phil Bekeart shipments but did not ship to him.

That would be a neat gun to locate and pair with yours.
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Your shipping destination sounded familiar so I looked through the database and found one other entry that shipped to E. K. Tryon Co., Philadelphia, PA. It is serial number 138,911 and shipped on 8/1/1911.

That would be a neat gun to locate and pair with yours.
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What model do you have with a 4 digit serial #, a Club Gun? 22/32 I frame Target Models all have 6 digit serial #s. What am I missing?
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0345 is a .22/32 HFT. Club Gun serial numbers started with two digits. I have a .22 Single Shot First Model serial number 05. I'm not sure if I answered your question.
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Very cool! Well given your screen name and the # starting with a zero I thought that was the case. So were there at least 345 HFT Club Guns produced? Does it have a grip number or what period of production was it from?
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Very cool! Well given your screen name and the # starting with a zero I thought that was the case. So were there at least 345 HFT Club Guns produced? Does it have a grip number or what period of production was it from?
The Club Guns started in 1899. There were at least 18 .22/32 HFT's. Mine was shipped in 1928. It now has a pair of Mother of Pearl stocks with the gold medallions.
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I can add one for you. s/n 441727, Shipped Sept. 1926. 2 screw target stocks w/o medallions. Patridge front sight. Mushroom Ejector rod knob. Non-recessed chambers. Right stock pencil #'d to the frame. Any other info you want let me know.
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I must have been asleep in most of August. How else could I have missed this thread?

Jim, you may have picked up my very late prewar specimen (533038) from the list archives, but in case not there are details in the old thread that I link to below. Looks like I never actually lettered the gun, so I don't know where it went. I know of only one other six-inch prewar .22/32 with a higher serial number - 533049. You may be able to find that one in an archive search, as it was posted on the forum a couple or three years back.

New to me .22/32 Target Revolver (very late production)

Another .22/32 in my safe, 364316, started life as a .22/32 HFT in 1921. It was modified by the factory in 1946 with a new recessed cylinder and four-inch barrel, coming to look like a .22/32 Kit Gun after its surgery. It also got postwar Regulation Police stocks at that time. The serial number reveals its roots, though. The front sight is the wide variety of the USRA pocket revolver sight.
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I am putting together a database of information about the Bekeart models and the subsequent .22/32 HFT's. I have close to 350 guns in the database so far and I am asking for your help to add any additional numbers to the list. I have obvious headings like serial number, stock sequence number, date shipped, destination, stock style, front sight, recessed chambers, condition and modifications/inclusions.

Things like bobbed hammers, knob style etc., are listed under the modifications.

If anyone has any that they would like to add to the list, please supply the details. Should you not want to post the information publicly, feel free to PM or email me and no names will be attached to any information.

If you own a .22/32 and just want to see if I have any information about your gun, please feel free to ask.

Many folks think that if their gun is numbered between 138,226 and 139,275 that it went to Bekeart, however, that is not correct. For example, 138,226 did not and neither did 139,274.

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I have serial # 138226. Per letter from Mr. Jinks, it was shipped on August 12, 1912 to Walter H. Wesson, President of S & W. 6 inch barrel with Patridge front sight, blue finish, and checkered walnut extension target gold medallion grips. The only problem with the gun is somehow the rear sight is missing.
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kickback, can you recheck that serial number? According to my information, that gun shipped in June of 1911 and went to a distributor in NYC. Guns shipped in 1912 typically have a serial number in excess of 159,000.
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Richard, thanks for the info on 441,727. I am assuming that it has a small logo on the left side, and Made in the USA on the right. What condition is it in and do you have box or any additional stuff with the gun?

David, I do have that gun in the DB, thank you. As an added bit of info, I show 534,506 as my highest serial number for a 6" .22/32 HFT shipped in June of 1940. It is shown in the SWCA SDR forum.

Also for those that care. I start seeing a transition from LERK's to MERK's around 488,XXX.
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…as mentioned back in post #47. The numbered stocks have great grain. As a bonus this grip adaptor not only closely matches the grain but helps make this my most accurate .22lr in my hands. I recently tested all my .22lr revolvers and this one came out on top by a good margin. That's nice, because this is my favorite model. Hondo44, you asked if this was factory. The checking quality makes me doubt that. However, perhaps they got the wood from S&W, as it has nice grain that matches well but may be hard to see in the photos.



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Currently in my possesion is serial #368893.
Non medallion stocks w/ pat Jun 5, 1917 stamp on bottom.
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Patridge front and square notch rear sight.
I'm guessing early to mid 20's vintage?
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Cricker, early '20s would be about right. The patent stamp you mention means that the gun has Regulation Police stocks ("small square butt," in some factory descriptions) as opposed to the two-screw extension stocks ("large square butt" in some letters). There was a brief period in the early '20s when the RP stocks were standard for the .22/32 revolvers; before and after that period the larger extension stocks were standard, though after 1917 the RP stocks could be ordered as an option. I'm not sure how often that option was exercised, though.
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I agree. Based on my database, I'd estimate it shipped Feb, Mar or April 1923.
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Sorry, I have been away from this thread for a while.

Cricker, your gun, according to my database, shipped on 5-7-1923 and was shipped to J.E. Steele with no address listed. It wore regulation police style stocks without medallions, had a large extractor knob, small S&W logo on the left and patent dated stocks. Although the change order to stamp all S&W's with the "Made in USA" marking was issued a year earlier in May of 1922, they don't show up in my database until around October of 1923 .

This could be due to using up old inventory or it could merely be that I don't have any examples in the database prior to October 1923. My sampling for all of 1923 consists of 15 guns.

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Really enjoying this thread. One of the last three guns I need to complete my Centennial Catalog collection is a transitional .22/32 HFT that would have shipped in 1952. The odds of finding one and of capturing Big Foot are about the same.
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It might even be harder. History records killings/captures of Big Foot.

But take heart, Transitional Targets w/6” barrel are very rare but have been reported as posted by Roy Jinks on the members side of this forum.

I have personally seen two finished 6" barrels w/o the extractor rod notch under the barrel for the pre war style 'barrel' shaped knob.

Happy hunting,
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It might even be harder. History records killings/captures of Big Foot.

But take heart, Transitional Targets w/6” barrel are very rare but have been reported as posted by Roy Jinks on the members side of this forum.

I have personally seen two finished 6" barrels w/o the extractor rod notch under the barrel for the pre war style 'barrel' shaped knob.

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Hondo44 should I assume you are counting mine as one of those you have seen, even though it's a country away? I'd like to acknowledge and thank you once again for providing me with the proper extractor rod to modify so that I could keep the "no-notch" barrel original when I had it installed on my 1920's vintage HFT. As with so many of that era, my HFT came to me with a noticeably bulged barrel, in fact that's why I was able to afford it. No collection of I-frames would be complete without at least one example!

Although my 1948 K-22 has sort of pushed it aside these days, the rebarreled HFT has a proud place in my collection and is a fine representative of S&W's early effort at a 22 target gun... I wish it REALLY WERE a post-War transitional, though!

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I would have to agree that finding a 6" HFT from the 50's might be tough. The latest one in my database is 534,498 and shipped in June of 1940. All the others that I have information on from the 40's and 50's are 4" kit guns.
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Still looking for information of these neat guns. Anybody have any more that they could add to the database??

I have information or serial numbers for about 1850 so far. The really weird thing is the lack of information on the 490 MW Robinson shipped guns that fall between 207,926 and 208,416 with stock sequence numbers between 2100 and 2500.

These guns just don't seem to show up on auction sites or even here for that matter and it begs the question as to whether many of these went to Europe as Robinson did ship there a lot. I have way more information on other groups of .22/32 serial numbers than this block of 490. Kinda makes one go HUMMMMM?????
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I don't know if you have these in your data base. These were from the Supica auction from October 27 & 26, 2006. It is the Gary & Martha Skeet collection. These are all standard .22/32's unless noted. From lot 127 sn 138934 stock stamped 518. As a side note I bought this at the Big E gunshow in 1995 for $175.00. Gary bought it from me shortly after. The next lot is a cardboard box for a Bekeart model. Martha bought it at the Tulsa show shortly after I sold them the above lot. Lot 129 sn 529482. Lot 130 sn 38639. I hope this helps.
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Don, thanks for the information. I actually do have them listed and I own 529,482 shipped on 3/6/1936 to Shapleigh Hardware. I bought it as I didn't have one with the recessed chambers that was originally shipped from the factory that way. I own another one in the 38X,XXX range with the recessed chambers but it went back to the factory for that modification later in its life.

Anyone that has any more information to add to the database I would appreciate your posting it here or PM me. I am really beginning to get a handle on the first 3,000 guns that were shipped with the stock sequence numbers imprinted into the bottom of the left stock panel but more information is always better.
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Still looking for any information on .22/32 HFT's. Does anyone have one with a stock sequence number greater than 2500? There should be about 500 guns with stock sequence numbers within the 3000 guns reported to have had this modification added. I have zero information in my database on any in that range.

Also still looking for details of any of the 490 M.W. Robinson guns shipped in January, February and March of 1914. Serial numbers between 207,926 and 208,416. A much larger shipment than those that went to Bekeart in 1911 but much less information available about them. Very curious.
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Am a new member 2958. Bought a 22/32 two weeks ago. Stock #692, Serial #139006. RC Scholz
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James--here are the specs on my 22/32 HFT, sn 423988
Non-recessed cylinder
Two screw walnut extension stocks with sn penciled in right grip
No grip medallions
"Made in USA" on right side of frame
Small S&W logo on left side of frame
Patridge front sight
Square notch rear sight
Last patent date on barrel is 9/14/08
Shipped from factory 3/26, to whom is unknown
Condition is fair with little finish left on frame but more on barrel and cylinder. No rust.
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Hobe,

I'm the guy you outbid for your #692. I'm still kicking myself for letting that fine specimen get away. I'm glad it ended up in the hands of another Smith fan.

If you ever want to get rid of that 22/32, look me up. Heck, if you just want to take her out to shoot her, look me up.

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I have a HFT serial number 391715. I took the stocks off and both sides are marked as the attached picture. Was wondering if that could be original to the gun or not? Thanks. I will post a picture once I pick it up. Also, any info on date of manufacture?
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Here's the info on mine. This one belonged to my Granddad:
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Non-recessed cylinder
Large ejector knob
2 screw extended stock, no medallions, with S/N penciled inside
Patridge front sight
Small logo on left side
No information on shipping date or destination but I would suppose '20's sometime

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I have a HFT serial number 391715. I took the stocks off and both sides are marked as the attached picture. Was wondering if that could be original to the gun or not? Thanks. I will post a picture once I pick it up. Also, any info on date of manufacture?
The only factory mark, and on the right side only, would be a penciled serial # after 1900 until 1929, then stamped #s until no longer #'d after the late 1970's.

I read the upper marking as a date, 11-25-24. This could be the date the gun was purchased since guns in that serial range were shipped in the 3rd quarter of 1924. And 2 screw stocks w/o medallions are correct for after 1923 on the 22/32 HFTs. So the grips appear to be original. But I'd like to see the right grip numbering.

The lower mark, besides being on the wrong side stock, although it looks like the serial #, it's not the factory penciling location.
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Patridge front sight
Small logo on left side
No information on shipping date or destination but I would suppose '20's sometime
Sorry guys I haven't gotten back here recently to answer any questions. I don't have any specifics on 441,722 however, 441,587 shipped 8-12-1927 and 441,727 shipped 9-28-1926.

As you can see, as Roy always reminds us, S&W did not ship in any serial number order and guesstimates are merely that. Without asking Roy for the shipping date or asking for a letter, I would say that late 20's is about as close as we can get.

Anyone else have any 22/32 HFT's that I can add to the database? Photos of both sides are great but otherwise the details listed above plus condition and last patent date on barrel will allow me to add it to the database with most of what I need.

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A recent addition to my collection:

225072

Medallion extended grips

No S & W logo

22 lr ctg on left barrel, nothing on right barrel

Last patent date 9/14/09

Large rod knob

No writing in grips

Sorry don't know types of front sights

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Also non recessed

Maybe a Paine front sight?

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My 22/33 SN is 361090 however I have no shipping information. The SN matches in three locations, under barrel flat, cylinder and front of grip. There is an assembly number 4573 in two places under crane and yoke. The grips look custom or aftermarket not S&W. I don't know the name for the front sight but I attach a photo of it. The rear sight base has two screwed. This is a 5 screw frame.
Sorry I don't know how to post photos from my iPhone photos. The front site is not a partridge but has a slight slop front and back of the front sight and round on top (not modified). Condition is excellent (about 90% original bluing). Small logo on left.

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My 22/33 SN is 361090 however I have no shipping information. The SN matches in three locations, under barrel flat, cylinder and front of grip. There is an assembly number 4573 in two places under crane and yoke. The grips look custom or aftermarket not S&W. I don't know the name for the front sight but I attach a photo of it. The rear sight base has two screwed.
Likely shipped in the 1st quarter of 1923. Sounds like the standard factory Paine bead front sight until replaced by the Patridge in Aug.29, 1923 change order.

The rear sight is considered a single screw (front of sight tang attachment screw is not counted), only the vertical adjustment screw(s) are counted because those are the screws affected by the change (to two screws on K and N frame sights ~ 1935).

Your vintage has 9 serial # locations before WW II:
NOTE: Observing serial #s for accuracy or even existence, especially on penciled stocks, requires magnification, bright light, and an attitude that it is there!

1. Gun butt - or forestrap on I frames/single shots with grips that cover the butt

2. Barrel - bottom of barrel or in extractor shroud

3. Yoke - on rear face only visible thru a chamber with a flashlight

4. Extractor star - backside

5. Cylinder - rear face

6. Right stock only - on back; stamped, scratched or penciled depending on vintage and stock material. (except most target grips because individual fitting not required.)

7. Rear sight, bottom side

8. Rear sight blade (hidden)

9. Front sight blade (hidden)


Assembly (factory work) #s: These multi-digit numbers of 3 to 5 digits, are on the yoke at the hinge, in the ‘yoke cut’ on frame opposite the yoke near the hinge, and inside of the sideplate, for the pre war and early post war period. The assembly # in the yoke cut of the frame was relocated to the left side of grip frame after model #s were assigned and the serial # was added in the ‘yoke cut’ where the assembly #, now moved to the left side of the grip frame, used to be. You know they are assembly (factory work) #s because of those 3 locations that always match on guns that are original, and that’s the only usefulness for them after guns leave the factory: still used to this day, long after serial number locations decreased.
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1. Hand Ejector
2.SN# 361055- On the front of grip & face of cylinder. No model # on crane
3. 22 LR
4. 6 1/16" Bbl length
5. Hand Ejector Pre-war Adjustable rear sight, front sight is a marble 35-A Bead.
6. Strain Screw on front of grip strap.
7. 5 -Screw
I purchased this about 2 years ago, it will not cock DA, firing pin and housing are missing, as is the grip screw. I would like to repair/ have it repaired so I could use it. I have looked in Blue Book, SCSW # 2, and seem to be a bit more confused. Any assistance in identifying model, missing parts, when it was made, and approximate value so as to assess how much money I should invest to make it functional. Thank You.
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vipermd, what you have is a .22/.32 Heavy Frame Target with regulation police style stocks without medallions. Shipping dates based on serial number are only WAG's but most of the guns around yours shipped in late spring of 1922. The ones in my DB are from April and June of 1922.

The stock screw should not be too hard to find but without seeing the gun in hand it is hard to tell what is causing the cocking issues. It could need parts or it could be as simple as a good cleaning of the internals. Sometimes 100 year old grease hardens like glue and needs a serious cleaning and re lubing to function properly.

I would suggest that you remove the stocks with an appropriate sized screwdriver and then squirt some brake clean or similar product into the guts through the hammer slot. You can also remove the side plate to get a good look at the internals but only attempt this if you are comfortable removing the screws and side plate without damaging them. Any screw damage or side plate pry marks will destroy any collector value. If you decide to go that route, please feel free to PM or email me and I will walk you through it.

Otherwise, try the brake clean followed by some gentle compressed air. A compressor works or even a can of air used for cleaning computers will usually blow out any melted gunk. Some folks will soak the gun in a tub of their favorite grease melting liquid for a week or so and then blow it out.

Make sure you don't do this in the kitchen if you are married or you may not stay that way. Don't bother to ask.
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Willeys, PM or email me and I will try to walk you through photo posting. Guns around yours in my database shipped around June of 1922.
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Mine is S/N 517383(frame and cylinder), non-recessed cylinder, silver medallions in grips, medium ejector, Patridge 1/8 front sight, made in U.S.A. stamped, bluing has gone to soft black, can't post pictures, but overall condition is very good +. Probably going to be selling it in the near future.
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2.SN# 361055- On the front of grip & face of cylinder. No model # on crane
3. 22 LR
4. 6 1/16" Bbl length
5. Hand Ejector Pre-war Adjustable rear sight, front sight is a marble 35-A Bead.
6. Strain Screw on front of grip strap.
7. 5 -Screw
I purchased this about 2 years ago, it will not cock DA, firing pin and housing are missing, as is the grip screw. I would like to repair/ have it repaired so I could use it. I have looked in Blue Book, SCSW # 2, and seem to be a bit more confused. Any assistance in identifying model, missing parts, when it was made, and approximate value so as to assess how much money I should invest to make it functional. Thank You.

First thing I'd do if the cleaning James recommended doesn't fix the double action, is to remove the side plate. Pull the trigger and observe the action to determine why the trigger is not cocking the hammer.

Also make sure the spring tension screw on the fore strap of the grip frame is screwed all the way in.

Your vintage HFT is not hard to find parts for since it shared parts with other I frames. But the firing pin, spring, and bushing/retaining pin is unique to the rimfire guns.

The good news is, the firing pin, spring, and firing pin bushing/retaining pin are the same as used on my 1991 .22 and likely right up to current guns.

Try these, about $24 total:
Brownells part #s
FP #216310000
Bushing #215020000
Retaining pin #218140000
Spring #043460000
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0007, I am assuming that your gun has a small S&W logo on the left side? The few other guns that I have recorded in the 517,XXX range shipped in either 5,6,8 or 9 of 1930. Again no guarantees but very likely.
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Old 10-21-2016, 07:10 PM
Dr Charlie Dr Charlie is offline
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Bekeart models and .22/32 HFT's Bekeart models and .22/32 HFT's Bekeart models and .22/32 HFT's Bekeart models and .22/32 HFT's Bekeart models and .22/32 HFT's  
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Here's mine.
serial number 229900 on cylinder, barrel and grip frame.
wooden grips no serial number
gold medallions
no numbers on bottom of grips
cylinder not recessed
square blade rear sight
front sight high flat on top, no bead
large knob two step recess in barrel
no box
barrel marked 22 long rifle CTG
not lettered
S&W logo on right side
well worn blue finish.
Any comments appreciated.
regards Charlie
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