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Boy this thread took a hard right turn.......LOL

RM and it's decedents Vs. Colt's Python..........

Python is the "cool gun" like the Model 29 (70s), Beretta 92 (80s) and Glocks (21st century) due to TV and Movie exposure........today the Python still plays a big roll on TV in shows like "The Walking Dead"!!!!

The Python is a sexy looking gun.... with a great screen presence!

The RM and Model 27 are understudies to the 29 ........ if a producer/director wants to use a Smith he/she will cast the Model 29 and make a big deal about it being a .44magnum...... Thanks to Clint!

My Dad loved and carried his Colt New Service in .357 magnum from 1939 until about the mid 60s ....... and it was his house gun until the 90s.

Me.... give me a S&W ....... size wise I prefer a K or L frame over the N.....but I do have a RM and a 4" Model 28

So to each their own..........but I would except a Python as a gift>>>>LOL

Bam Bam said it all so I erased my post.

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I'm more of a CCW guy, but in my opinion six well placed shots from a D frame 2" Colt Detective Special is of more value than five well placed shots from a J magnum frame 3" S&W model 60.

But if I only had two pistolas to hide on me for close social work those wouldn't be the ones.

They would be the early '70s 3" tapered barrel Bridgeport, Conneticut 5 shot Charter Arms .44 special & the 5 round bobbed hammer 3" full lug SS DAO M720 .44 spl Rossi.

Because life is too short to protect yourself w/anything starting less than four.

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[QUOTE=gmborkovic;138062520 No saddle and a rope halter, she would walk me right to my favorite dove spot every time, stand in the shade without a flinch. I would appreciate a re-traction and come up with another comparison. Mike 2796[/QUOTE]

Even though you didn't use a smiley or sarcastic face I am going to play like you were making a joke. I could say an ugly woman can cook as well a pretty woman can but a pretty woman looks better cooking but then somebody with an ugly wife will get upset. In this PC world any analogy I use will upset somebody. Even if you don't get to town very often you should know that riding a mule bareback with a rope halter ain't got no class. Larry

Okay, I'll argue.... just because I've got a late 1970's 27, and a mid 1960's 28-2.

The action on my "S" s/n 28 is way more consistent/smoother than my 27. But that is why I bought that 28; I owned both a 6" pre-28, and a 4" 28 and sold both for being "sub-par".

As far as Pythons... my Dan Wesson 15-2 shot half the group size of the Python at less than half the price. This was a brand new bright stainless 1993 Python, and was promptly sold. So more recently, wishing I still had my Python (for monetary gain only) I bought a 1960 mfg Python as prices were beginning to climb. Much different Python than what I had previously owned.

As for Dan Wessons, all of my Dan Wessons have a mediocre at best da trigger pull.... essentially they are super accurate single action target guns in my opinion.

So, in conclusion, I think SP's assessment is correct most of the time, but one can find an exception if one tries.

Looks like I was responsible for this drift What I didn't say was I had a Python years ago that cheated on me, and so I have been bitter ever since

We need to get back on track (27 vs 28), because as 71firebird400 said, the elites over at the Colt forum are too civilized to say anything negative about a S&W. They are more refined and cultured than anyone who would dare say something negative about a Python. Obviously it is my "maturity level" that caused me to discuss why I don't like Pythons, and why I think they are a tad over-rated. I should be ashamed of myself, and quite frankly, I am

So, I didn't say, but I had a 28-2 and a pre 28, and the trigger pulls were ok for both, both ways. I cannot remember which out of those 2 was better. I've owned 3 27-2s and 2 pre 27s and the pulls were generally good but the difference IMO were not significant. Perhaps a little lube and cleaning would have made the difference. As others and myself have stated, a large sample size is needed before drawing any type of valid conclusion on this subject.

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"Even if you don't get to town very often you should know that riding a mule bareback with a rope halter ain't got no class."

No, it just means you're po'!

I was at a mule show in Shelbyville TN back in the late '90s and there was a lady there who was riding her mule bareback, with just a piece of haybale string tied over her lower jaw. Now THAT was a well trained mule!

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WAR EAGLE!

Why was the woman wearing "just a string tied over her lower jaw"????

Surprised you noticed the mule!!!!


LOL

By Texas Star-

"If you can't put all six holes touching closely in a pretty tight ragged hole at 25 yards from "offhand" at least fairly often, you aren't a very good pistol shot, and need to keep your results to yourself. " (Speaking of shooting a 357 Magnum revolver.)

I guess I'm not a very good pistol shot.

Really? A one hole group offhand at 25 yards is a measurement of mundane performance? Seriously, how many shooters can actually do that?

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Smooth or not, I think both of those guns need a set of target stocks. Probably make you shoot better...

When you disassembled the guns and compared the individual internal components what differences did you notice, if any?

I never took anything apart. Judgment based on handling and shooting, not visual inspection.

You know, I've said this many times previously. Did I not make myself clear?

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You guys crack me up.

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I can't do it so I'm giving up hand gun hunting.

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"David had only 5rds(1Sam17:40)"

Divine intervention, according to the good book, seemingly does trump superior numbers/technology/firepower/laws of physics/natural elements and pert near everything else including an extra round.
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The argument cannot be successfully defended w/extreme prejudice. You introduce as evidence two S&W revolvers that are stated as being 60 & 57 years of age/shipped. As I recall your claim rests on your physical/mental interpretation/evaluation from also shooting various different arms within those two models.

There's no way to gauge your bias betwixt the twain. Just as there is no way to know why you prefer one colour to another. Yet, everyone introduces their own bias. Does not make it right, wrong, true or false except to the individual.

You believe that one is superior/smoother/had more attention paid to detail than the other, however slightly though noticeable to you. Yet, you cannot prove this one way or the other.

The basis of your argument rests on a difference bound to exist betwixt a service model and a more expensive model that for all intents and purposes is the same. You are saying that you see no discernible difference save the model number, in your sample of two, so there must be more labour in the one of greater expense. Since you detect none on the outside it must come from within.

Perhaps. Though it possible the notion is nothing more save a false dichotomy. In marketing many ploys are embraced to convince the consumer that their choice was the best. You have sold yourself to the point of searching for some factual artifact/kindred spirits to backup your belief.

I believe that you feel with all your heart that the 27 is more refined. More power to you as you are free to draw your own conclusions based on your life experiences and research. I suspect the mechanical differences would not amount to a hill of beans.

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I don't care.

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Wonderful except apathy cannot be drawn from as a qualifier to your unsubstantiated conclusion.

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I did do so once with a. 7.5" 629 and unknown target ammo. While bragging my shooting "buddies" simultaneously shot my target all to hell...so there's no proof to say it happened.

With an optic or long barreled revolver (long sight radius) with the right load and a light, crisp single action trigger it's doable for a practiced shooter on a good day.

For double action shooting that's a near impossibility.

He doesn't care about that either.

There's the point in this thread that none argue nor contest.

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I don't care about this thread.....

You state that you have proven this to yourself from 30 years of shooting experience but when someone else offers up their opinion, you totally dismiss it, won't even consider another theory on it;

Who cares if your listening!


This has to be one of the dumbest threads I have ever read.


They are both great guns, one got a little more love on the outside, that's obvious. The inside, I doubt there was much difference but perhaps a little.


I know your not listening but here's my opinion; Practice up on your DA shooting and the results would be a little different, I'd bet. I mean, you already admitted the HP shot a tad better in SA. From what I saw of the two DA targets, neither gun had a distinct group, yes the "357" shots were tighter but still strung out. After all, DA shooting is more about the shooter than the gun anyway......

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I submit my standing, unsupported 10 round, 15 yd DA Airweight group:


...along with the target of my pre 27 also standing, unsupported, and DA out to 15:



This should be clear proof that the Airweight has the superior action

410bore- I dismiss those trying to tell me I'm wrong. I am not wrong.

I dismiss those trying to say that I'm wrong because this test wasn't scientific. Of course it wasn't. I never said it was. I'm still not wrong.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I know what I know. You or anyone thinks otherwise...fine. But I am still not wrong.

You call this amongst the dumbest threads you've seen. Yet you apparently read it...and contributed to it...so who is to blame, here? Not my fault.

Oh, and I am still not wrong.

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Nicksterdemus- As I stated numerous times, my conclusions are my own, reached after 30 years of experience. You disagree. I don't care. Throw around all the big words you want, I don't care whether you concur...er, agree...or not.

Again, this exercise was just for fun. It was never intended as the do all and be all of comparative studies. Yeah, I'm a lousy marksman according to Texas Star (actually, I sort of already knew that), but I do better with a 27. And the 27 feels smoother to me. Every time for 30 years, not just this time.

Also again, for those who insist their 28s are just as good even better than the 27s, OK. I will not waste one second of anyone's time arguing.

I've decided. I have no interest in entertaining criticism. I'm done defending myself.

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Your thread, your first post. You picked that side of the fence brother.

Oh yeah, if lovin' a 27 is wrong I don't wanna be right.

ETA: At this juncture I advise you to offload the 28. You could enhance it's action by engaging in an isometric trigger finger workout, however that would result in the 27 becoming so buttery smooth that you might mistake it for a Python.

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Can I shoot +P in my Highway Patrolman (no model number, i.e. pre-1957)? If not, how about a pre-27, since they are better made?

I like SP's posts. always stirs the pot and he being a bit of a contrarian only puts a little more lipstick on the pig (sorry for the pun SP)
The 27 was always the flagship revolver for Smith, all the added touches, the fit and finish have always set it two notches above the 28. While the 28 is a fine gun, it was produced as a cost efficient product to peddle to LE buyers and cost conscious consumers. there is not another reason for its existence. If you were Smith, would you run your flagship through the shop with no more attention paid to the action than your budget alternative? or conversely would you invest the same amount of time on the action of your budget gun as you did on your signature product? If you have a lick of business sense you would not. Every consumer understands the basics, pay less, receive less and many are willing to sacrifice some features for savings.
I had a 28-2 that was unfired and I still have a 27-2 that has had a sum total of 6 rounds fired through it.
both guns were untouched internally since leaving the factory. There is / was, no comparison between the two guns in the feel of the action or the trigger pulls. The 27 was clearly superior in those areas.
All of this conclusive? nope it is not, but logic would seem to indicate SP's assertions are very plausible.

Hey Larry, before you bash the S&W N frame .357 Magnum, buy a book on Smith & Wesson and have someone read it to you, slowly.

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After reading this entire thread, I have come to the conclusion, that the only thing Saxon Pig has proven is that (1) he is a poor DA shooter (2) he's not much as a SA shooter either OR (3) neither his 27 nor his 28 are capable of grouping worth a damn.!

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Harshing SP is something I would like to see you do to his
face.

Taking any of this seriously indicates a lack of significant values.

This is a gun forum for S&W fans, relax and have some fun.

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I was forced to seek council from the Urban Dictionary to ensure I was not, harshing my mellow.

I think E.L.O. touched base on that in the late 70's.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj8kMmUxkSE

1979 Billboard charted at #81. Beating out:

88. Double Vision, Foreigner
91. Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough, Michael Jackson
93. Somewhere In the Night, Barry Manilow
94. We've Got Tonight, Bob Seger & Silver Bullet Band
95. Dance the Night Away, Van Halen
Falling short of:

80. Rise, Herb Alpert
70. Born To Be Alive, Patrick Hernandez
64. I Love the Nightlife, Alicia Bridges
58. (Our Love) Don't Throw It All Away, Andy Gibb
48. In the Navy, The Village People
37. I Was Made for Dancin', Leif Garrett
33. Love You Inside Out, The Bee Gees
26. Don't Cry Out Loud, Melissa Manchester
12. MacArthur Park, Donna Summer
8. Y.M.C.A., Village People
6. I Will Survive, Gloria Gaynor
3. Le Freak, Chic
1. My Sharona, The Knack

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I would be offended by AZRetired's comments...if they weren't true. With advancing age and diminishing eyesight I am not the shooter I once was. I am in fact a pretty poor marksman...on paper.

Once...and only once I met Texas Star's standard. But that was with a Python rather than a 27 or a 28.





Oops, I just noticed that's a five shot group and not six. I guess I still fall short.

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What other forum exists that offers an education and side splitting laughter?
As far as no class, very perceptive. I never rode my mule, Ruth, to town.
I did not want to show off, I drove my 1940s Ford tractor to town, pop. 608.
And further, Hee-Haw was and is the greatest TV show to have ever aired.
Well, I have to check my first batch coming off my still. My best to all that had an opinion, I look forward to learning some S&W facts and have a good laugh. Mike 2796

So, as a suburban bay area kid, I have always wondered if
a certain brand and way wearing bib overalls was prevalent
when going to town, so as not to appear too snooty ..........

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Heck no Gaucho1, you aint snooty. The irony of it all is that I went to a quite proper English school and graduated from Loyola Univ. My bibs, I wore them everyday I was at the farm. Mod 42 in one pocket and a Mod 38 in the other. I would buy my bibs at the old Southern States Co-Op store in town. Can not remember the brand but had all the brass buttons. And a pair of Red Wing boots, no socks. Country folks are a lot more snooty than you Bay area or urban folks. When I went to town, just got a broom and swept them off. Best to you and good hunting, and have some of that great seafood down at the Bay. Mike 2796
PS. that first batch turned out smooth with another pass thru the coils.

Well, this thread surely has been amusing!

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Yes! That's what I mean. But all six shots, and I could do that with either of my Pythons or the S&W N-frame .357's.
Neither seemed to have an edge.

Not always, but on a good day, the guns did it when I could.

Was this at 25 yards?

BTW, there may be a chance that is a six-shot group. An extra bullet may have gone between the holes on the right. I've had it happen. Those guns are fantastically accurate.

Ditto for the M-29. The holes are just bigger. Of course, the gun kicks a lot more.

On more average days, the bullets still usually hit in the 9 and 10 rings, with some X's.

Amazing, isn't it? The internet....the fantasy ends when the posters meet in person. You can tell, too...

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Over the years there have been several guys on the Internet I desperately wanted to meet in person but never did.

Probably a good thing.

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I know, phenomenal individuals with incredible skills abound.
I enjoy Saxon Pigs photos, not to mention the stimulation.
A real life modern day Boswell!

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For clarification, I offer the quote (and quite respectfully, in truth):
"I have found you an argument; I am not obliged to find you an understanding"

James Boswell

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For the record..........I grew up there.........but I always had a
yearning to go further west............and I live in the country.

Seafood is good here too.......

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