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Thinking this is a third model
Thinking this is a third model. Serial number 53XXX
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Sorry about double post. Newbe here. Just doing some research on this revolver. Best I can tell it fits the description of the third model and serial number seems to fit. What do u think? Thanx
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You have something very fine there.
I will defer to the experts who will respond soon.
Yes......third...........likely factory target......
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I don't have a .44 of any kind. Not that I have not tried. If that gun was presented to me at $359, it would be mine! It could be doctored up, and be a great SHOOTER! Not that I don't have any beautiful guns, but I am in to shooting, not storing away. To each his own. Bob
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Sorry about double post. Newbe here. Just doing some research on this revolver. Best I can tell it fits the description of the third model and serial number seems to fit. What do u think? Thanx
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Yes looks like a 1926 third model target that is very scarce and worth a fortune.
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Why yes it is...do you own it or how soon will you?
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Welcome to the Forum, Vinson.
You have a rare revolver there. Do a search on "1926 .44 Special". You'll have a lot of reading to do.
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It could have shipped anytime between 1937 and 1940. I show 53xxx SNs in all those years. Not unusual for that to happen in the 1930s.
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Just the stocks would sell for $400-$500 with ease. Very rare and nice revolver.
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This gun is in a family collection I have been appointed to take care of. It has been under wraps for years and years and never really appreciated until now. It has been fun to research it and I really appreciate this forum's experts helping me identify make, model and worth. It is to stay in the family or be donated to a museum. Being a firearm lover myself ill keep it at least in my generation. Very curious about the plastic grip piece. It is showing its age with cracking. It seems this may be one of maybe a thousand Model 3? Very cool! The history on these weapons is outstanding. Quite fascinating.
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The "Plastic grip piece" is called a grip adapter, and it is easily removed. That style is relatively common and is not original to the revolver. It doesn't really add any value. There are some S&W factory adapters of a different type that can add significant value.
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There appears to be a large crack in the right Stock Panel,That will greatly affect the value of the Stocks.Your best bet would be to get a Factory Letter on the Gun to confirm or deny that it indeed shipped with the Target sights that are on the Gun.The front sight pin does not look right to me,But that does not mean that it was not replaced over time.Any way we can get a better pic of the front sight blade? It almost looks like a Keith long range blade to me......
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A factory historical letter will give you a basic history of the model, the date it shipped and its destination, and will confirm that it left the factory as a Target model. Nice information to have for your family, I think, especially if one of your relatives bought it originally.
Firearm History Request - Smith & Wesson
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I did not notice the crack earlier. That's too bad, as the grips otherwise would be very desirable. There are several grip restorers who might be able to do something with the crack. Those guys can sometimes make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
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Plan to keep it mint unrestored. Crack does not seem to threaten integrity of grip. Thanx for your input!!
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NOT QUITE!!
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This gun is in a family collection I have been appointed to take care of. It has been under wraps for years and years and never really appreciated until now. It has been fun to research it and I really appreciate this forum's experts helping me identify make, model and worth. It is to stay in the family or be donated to a museum. Being a firearm lover myself ill keep it at least in my generation. Very curious about the plastic grip piece. It is showing its age with cracking. It seems this may be one of maybe a thousand Model 3? Very cool! The history on these weapons is outstanding. Quite fascinating.
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This gun is closer to one of two hundred than it is to one of a thousand!!
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If you will choose the fourth or bottom code, the one tagged "IMG" for posting here, we can see the pics here.
The pic attached AT BOTTOM shows the one I mean.
Do that, and instead of this-
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you will get THIS-
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You got it. Thanx
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Different model with ribbed vent?
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Nope, here's the letter I received last month.
44 HE King Target Serial #
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A Third Model Target is one of the most scarce pre-war production guns that you are likely to run across. My guess is probably around +/-100 were produced and it's anyone's guess how many have survived, especially in that condition. (Perhaps Jim Fisher will chime in here since he is usually the go-to guy for those esoteric numbers).
I ran across a 99% one four years ago (547xx) and had to pay more than I had ever dreamed that I would pay for a lump of steel and walnut. It is easily worth twice that now
as is yours.
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Spoke with Roy Jinks this AM and he is willing to do the letter after I do the online application. So I'll get er done and report back. He says it takes up to 3 mo to get letter.
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Spoke with Roy Jinks this AM and he is willing to do the letter after I do the online application. So I'll get er done and report back. He says it takes up to 3 mo to get letter.
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3 Months is not going to happen,Expect 5 Months plus.I have been waiting for a Letter since May 1st.
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Wow. Would have to research to update the research!
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You might get ahold of Doc44 on here and see if the S&W Historical Foundation has anything on it. It is a LOT faster than Roy and sometimes more/better info than the letter Roy does.
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You might get ahold of Doc44 on here and see if the S&W Historical Foundation has anything on it. It is a LOT faster than Roy and sometimes more/better info than the letter Roy does.
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The information in Roy's letter is completely different from any that might be available on the Historic Foundation. In addition to some "boilerplate" info on the specific model, Roy's letter will tell you where, when, and in what configuration the gun shipped from the factory. It may, on occasion, contain a comment from Roy on any special circumstances under which the gun was shipped.
Any info in the SWHF will most likely refer to communication between the orderer/owner and the factory for modifications, repairs, special orders, etc. Unless I am mistaken, a letter from Roy is first required to access the SWHF information.
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Thanks for the heads up, 29aholic and bettis1. Much appreciated.
I just PM'd Doc44 a request for any additional available info.
FWIW Vinson, I sent my request to Roy in March.
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Just an update for what we THOUGHT was a Hand Ejector third model target. I just received the letter from Roy Jinks (8 mos) and as you can see he states that this is actually a .44 Hand Ejector Second Model Target. I'm a little confused as I thought the ejector rod shroud present here would make it a third model. Apparently the third model was made concurrently with the second model until 1940. What do you all make of this? Thanx
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Interesting in that it also has a serrated trigger like the third model. Second model reportedly had smooth trigger. Also, S&W trademark on right side instead of left.
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I would consider repair, or at least stabilization, of that grip crack. I also think that the extractor rod shroud would make it a 3rd. But I guess I am thinking incorrectly.
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Vinson, did you send pictures of this revolver to Roy, along with the letter request? It is possible that the clerk that recorded the shipping information in the factory ledger made a mistake. Those records are what Roy uses to produce the factory letters.
There should be a matching serial number inside of the barrel shroud, stamped in tiny, tiny digits. If you take pictures of that number and send them and your other pictures to Roy, he may amend his letter.
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Yes, what Muley Gil posted above. Your research is really just beginning!
The letter could be mistaken, that happens occasionally. But there are other possibilities, the barrel may have been changed to the third model style. Is there a serial # in the shroud and if so, does it match the # on the butt? Please use a magnifying glass and good light to be sure and provide an accurate observation!
Remove the left side stock panel and look for a 3 or 4 digit date like this:
Photo thx to Colby Bruce.
If there's a date, the gun was returned to the factory for repair, rework or re-finish.
You should immediately send a copy of the letter with a request for additional factory information, especially if it has a date on the grip frame. You're very lucky for your gun to be within the years that the archives have already been digitized!
The Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation (SWHF) has digitized and indexed records for the years, 1932-1941. Request info according to this:
http://www.swhistoricalfoundation.com/info.htm
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Vinson,
While I certainly won't disagree with any of the advice that the others have posted...In your case I truly believe Roy most definitely has misidentified the Model of Your Revolver in His Letter...Whether by an incorrect notation made in the Factory Records or just an oversight on his part...And would politely request him to amend it for you!!
The reasoning for my above statement...Other than the obvious features Your Revolver has indicating it to be a 3rd Model...Is the fact that another Forum Member (Disraeli) requested a Letter about a year ago & His Revolver "Letters" as a 3rd Model 1926 Target (See Attached Letter)!!
As you can plainly see...Not only does the Letter indicate His Revolver having the *Exact* Same Shipment Date & Shipping Destination...Your Revolver almost has to have been one of the 5 Revolvers in that Shipment being Your Revolver's Serial Number is less than 20 Serial Numbers away from his!! Is that is just sheer coincidence??...I'd find that hard to believe!! To me...That in itself should be proof enough for Roy to amend your Letter...Just My Opinion!!
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Check this one out. SN is even closer: .44 Military Target Revolver
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Thought about it all night. I think he did make a mistake. I did not send a picture with the letter request. The serial numbers do match on the face of the cylinder and but of the grip. But I don't understand how the serial number popped up second model. I doubt it was sent back for placement of a shroud but I will look on frame of grip
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Yes, the serial number on the inside of the shroud matches the serial on the cylinder and grip base.
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Then it is obvious that the letter is erroneous. The reason for that is not important, but you should request a correction. This is certainly not the first time I have seen incorrect information in a factory letter.
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The number on Roy's letter is 53915. The early pictures of the gun's serial number are no longer available to me but the picture of the number in the barrel cutout looks like it might be 55915. Is it possible that the second digit is a 5 instead of a 3?
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No. I agree it is hard to tell but it is a three at all three sites.
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Roy made a mistake,It happens fairly frequently.Just call him and give him the info You posted here.
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Is it just me or does it look like there is a Diamond stamped over the B?
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I also see what appears to be a diamond. In which case "could" indicate this barrel added via a return to the factory which could also explain why it was numbered to the rest of the gun.
I hope that isn't what I see but I believe it is.
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