OK. Lets finalize this.
1. Its a yoke , not a crane.
2. Its a standard barrel, not a pencil barrel.
3. Its a M&P, not a 1905 4th change.
4. Its a pair of stocks, not grips.
5. Its a front sight, not a front site.
Please contribute to the list. Mike 2796

It's a Patridge, not a partridge

It's an extractor rod, not an ejector rod.

It is the extractor, not the extractor star.

Bill

Hope this includes semi autos. It is a magazine, not a clip.

This is SO tempting----and I know better----but what's right is right!!

It is what it is. It is NOT a "pre" anything.

Ralph Tremaine

Call it what you want ill understand it. Politically correct is ok too.

The overflow dynaflow broke on my auto today. Lol sorry.

But, but.... Aw, nevermind....

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It is a 32 & 38 Safety and not "Lemon Squeezer!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Gary
SWCA 2515

Don't stop now!........ These are good!

It's either a round butt or a square butt; not a nice butt.

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Why, I aughta.....

It's a hammer nose, not a firing pin.

Those stocks have checking, not checkering.

Stock segments are cheek pieces, not sides.

As a matter of principle I will remain disobedient and noncompliant on the whole ejector/extractor thing. Regardless of what it says in the parts diagrams, "eject" implies pushing and "extract" implies pulling. But if we choose to ignore root meanings and accept the label as correct in the diagrams and part lists, the whole class of modern revolvers ought then to be called Hand Extractors. There are bad consequences of insisting on that level of terminological purity. Anybody here want to be the first to tell the Ol' Silverback that he must change his forum handle on grounds of simple consistency with an unachievable ideal?

Thought not.

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David Wilson

"...accept the label as correct in the diagrams and part lists, the whole class of modern revolvers ought then to be called Hand Extractors."

That inconsistency has been recognized several times in the past. But the parts diagrams (at least for S&W) call it an extractor. I think Colt calls their corresponding revolver parts "ejector."

Actually, when you think about the action of the "star", it is pulling the cases from the cylinder. Same on a top-break, the action of eliminating the cylinder of brass is to pull them up from a stationary cylinder until they fall out. Tip-Ups have what is called an ejector rod and not an extractor rod, since you push the empties out of the cylinder by moving the cylinder and ejecting the brass (or copper). I think the schematics and parts descriptions actually might have it right.

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Gary
SWCA 2515

Actually, "eject" means to "throw out". As you suggested, "extract" means to "pull out". And it's a cartridge, not a bullet. It's a bullet, not a slug or "bullet head". They are chambers or charge holes, not cylinders. And finally, it's a cylinder, not a "barrel".
Anybody got any more ?

Larry

Not for nothin' but it's a revolver and NOT a pistol!...unless we're talking semi-auto handguns.

....and my biggest pet peeve, unless you're talking about a specific military gun, it's not a "weapon", it's a firearm or a bullet launcher or a perforating device etc.

Coke bottle stocks. aka Cokes. One of the biggest offenders here.Personally I'm ok with the gun slang.

As a S&W purist, I have been promoting many of these terms for some time and receiving much flak for doing so.

Not to play both sides of this discussion but one must remember that there were S&W official company terms like stocks, checking and yoke and then there are terms that arise from the factory floor like "bug" screw and my favorite gun the .22/32 was referred to on the floor as a 32/22 since it was a .32 that became a .22. Lemon squeezer, Ladysmith are other terms that fall into this area.

Unfortunately, since D.B. and Horace's day many things have changed. The current non family ownership and several of their corporate predecessors have failed to keep up some of these traditions and fallen into the main stream of gun jargon by using terms like grips, checkering etc.

They have even recycled old workhorse terms like Ladysmith to become Lady Smith and Chief Special to become a semi automatic when we all know that a Chief Special will always be a small J frame revolver in .38 special. Oh, the horrors of change and progress??????

As far as the whole ejector/extractor debate. The dictionary defines EXTRACT as to remove or take out. EJECT is to force or throw out.

I think one could argue that the gun was called a hand ejector because you could remove all of the spent shells in one motion as opposed to using the rammer pin located under the barrel and pushing out the cases one at a time.

The gun was referred to a hand ejector but the device or mechanism on the gun that facilitated this action was called both the ejector and the extractor depending on where you read it.

Kind of reminds me of "you say tomato and I say tomato" and is it global warming or climate change?????

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James Redfield
LM #497

Oh yeah. S&W calls it a cylinder stop, while Colt calls it a locking bolt.

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Why, I aughta.....

For hundreds of years hand held single shot firearms (short guns) were referred to as pistols.
I refuse the notion that an automatic "should" be called a pistol but a revolver "can not".
My revolver has more right (historically) to be called a pistol than an automatic. I believe the semi-auto guys have hi-jacked the terminology of pistol, then tell us we can no longer call our guns that anymore.Just saying

Case "COLORED" hammer trigger on blue and nickel Smiths...not Case "Hardened"...

"Flash Chromed" hammer trigger on early SS Smiths not Stainless steel hammer trigger (except first model 60)

I don't know about you guys but I will grab the grips of my pistol, load up my bullets and fire the lead through my pencil barrel!!! I will then eject the brass!!!

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Tom
NRA Pistol Inst

THE TERM "GUN" IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR USE IN THE US ARMY (AND THE USMC, I PRESUME). THE VETERANS AMONG US WILL REMEMBER THE OLD MANTRA, "THIS IS MY RIFLE, AND THIS IS MY GUN (REFERRING TO THE MALE REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS), THIS IS FOR SHOOTING AND THIS IS FOR FUN." A SHOULDERED WEAPON IS REFERRED TO BY ITS ACTUAL NOMENCLATURE, RIFLE, CARBINE, SHOTGUN, GRENADE LAUNCHER, ETC…..

A SIDE ARM MIGHT BE REFERRED TO BROADLY AS A PISTOL, BUT MUCH MORE COMMONLY THAT TERM IS USED TO REFER TO THE COLT .45 ACP (AUTO COLT PISTOL) AND OTHER SEMI-AUTOS. WHEELGUNS ARE REFERRED TO AS REVOLVERS. THERE IS A HISTORIC LINEAGE OF HAND HELD WEAPONS BACK TO SINGLE SHOT PISTOLS, BUT OVER A CENTURY AGO, THE FAMILY TREE BRANCHED……

I MIGHT ADD THAT EVEN OUR VERY OWN, BELOVED S&W FORUM SEPARATES HAND HELD WEAPONS INTO "REVOLVERS" AND "SEMI-AUTO PISTOLS"…..

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Not trying to be argumentative here, but the colors are a byproduct of the process used to case harden the part...

You guys need to get out more.

Buck

All of the major handgun manufacturers know the difference between a pistol and a revolver, as evidenced by their catalogs and web sites. That should settle the matter. (Hawaawwwaaaaa)

That "pencil barrel" line of stupid really gets to me much more than it should.

YUP. THAT'S WHEN THE FAMILY TREE BRANCHED, OVER A CENTURY AGO….

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"Revolver packin' mama" just doesn't cut it.

AND.............I eat breakfast...Dinner...& Supper...........NOT Breakfast/lunch&dinner.

Such atrocities!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I quoted these three for a particular reason.

First, for clarification, the word pistol originates from either the French, the Italian, or the Czech, and a form of that word was first uttered in the 16th century in one or all of those languages, and it referred to a hand held device, perhaps a hand cannon, or some form of hand held shooting device that originated in a town of similar name. So there is no doubt that the term is aptly applied to revolvers.

What is more interesting, however, to me, anyway, is the fact that most of you call the handguns that, in this discussion, are essentially flat, to wit, not revolvers, by the term "semi-auto". It is a fact, however, that for several generations, and actually only until recently with the popularity of semi-automatic rifles versus submachine guns or assault rifles, full automatic versus semi-automatic, with semi-automatic being the politically and legally correct term now, the pistols you refer to as semi-auto were called "automatic pistols". They were never referred to as semi-anything until the late 20th century. Automatic pistol is actually the originally correct term.

Modernity and politics changed it.

6. "It is" is it's, not the possessive its.

l love oysters. My cousin on Long lsland, NY loves ''ersters'' too.

Revolvers are a subset of pistols. Sam Colt said so. Unless you are considering the BATFE GCA-68 definition.

k22fan, I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THIS DISTINCTION. AS A RESULT I USE "ITS" ALL THE TIME. LIKE A BROKEN CLOCK--I'M CORRECT SOME OF THE TIME……….

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As for the grips vs. stocks, has somebody pointed out yet that Roy Jinks in his letters ALWAYS calls them "grips"? Interestingly, in the Colt letters, they are always stocks.
And the two parts of a grip are not sides or pieces, but panels (on whose authority? Mine, of course!).

The problem I have always had with applying the term "stocks" to a handgun's grip is that stock already has a more comprehensive meaning in firearms terminology. A rifle has a stock, which consists of a lot more than just the grip; an AK's stock has four parts, the buttstock, the grip, the forearm, and the handguard. So calling a couple of wood slabs attached to the grip "stocks" just seems a bit pretentious.

But maybe Haggis is right. I'm overthinking this; I should just go have a nice dram of Dickel's.

SAMUEL COLT DIED IN 1862. AT THAT TIME, REVOLVERS WERE A SUBSET OF SINGLE SHOT PISTOLS IN HIS LIMITED EXPERIENCE. HE WAS HARDLY IN A POSITION TO JUDGE, AS THE AGE OF SEMI AUTOMATIC PISTOLS HAD NOT ARRIVED, AND REVOLVERS HAD NOT YET ECLIPSED THE SINGLE SHOT PISTOLS. IRONICALLY, THE COMPANY THAT HE LEFT BEHIND, MANUFACTURED THE MOST ICONIC AMERICAN REVOLVERS AND SEMI-AUTO PISTOLS IN EXISTENCE, AFTER HIS DEATH….

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All handguns are pistols. Some are revolvers. I believe Sam Colt called his invention a "revolving pistol."

THAT COULD VERY WELL BE, shawn. ITS A LOGICAL EXTENSION OF THE SINGLE SHOT PISTOL, IN DESIGN AND NOMENCLATURE….

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Not according to the Colt, Ruger, and Smith & Wesson web sites.

REALLY!
The cold weather must be getting to some people.

Hey, why don't we ever hear, "Pinned and Counterbored"?

Shirley, everyone knows that's the correct term.

Twice a day for sure.
f.t.

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It tickles me people say, "A revolver is not a pistol. Ruger says so.", but if you point out that Marlin and Remington both say that a detachable box magazine is a clip, they say, "No,the manufacturers are confused".

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I always take precautions

I'm still looking for one of those "recessed cylinders". Have yet to see one.
f.t.

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It's called Cabin Fever....

Mark

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The English language is a work in in progress. When I was in grade school "ain't"
wasn't an accepted word and was not to be found in the dictionary. My classmates and I used "ain't" often, much to the dismay of our English teachers.
Now "ain't" is a recognized and accepted word. But hain't ain't. Give it time.
Meanwhile, I will freely interchange stocks with grips, and yokes with cranes. If anyone has issue with that, we first must agree which way a roll of toilet paper must be hung, if only to establish the ground rules for argumentative purposes.
And the purpose of the ejector is to extract the shells from the cylinder. Cripes! Some of you guys must be writing our tax codes!
John

YUP, THEY ARE CONFUSED. I RELY ON MILITARY NOMENCLATURE. WHEN IT COMES TO WEAPONS (AND ALL ISSUED EQUIPMENT) THEY ARE VERY PRECISE IN THEIR DESCRIPTIONS. THE M1 GARAND IS A "CLIP FED" RIFLE.
THE M1A / M14 RIFLE IS MAGAZINE FED. A DETACHABLE BOX MAGAZINE IS NOT A CLIP--NO MATTER WHAT MARLIN AND REMINGTON MIGHT CALL THEM…….

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Thanks to all for their posts.
Im going to do one more. I actually heard this from a dealer at the Baltimore show. It is not "... the old guy that does the factory letters."
It is Mr. Roy Jinks, S&W Historian.
Thanks to Lee for his help. Mike 2796

If it's stocks not grips, should it be stock frame instead of grip frame? Or is it grip frame because it's where you grip the stocks?