In terms of quality, looks, performance, and overall cachet, what long gun(s) do you think compare favorably with a 5 screw.

A pre-64 Winchester Model 70 is an obvious choice, but I know there are more.

Right now, I feel favorably disposed to my 1928 Savage 99G. Like my 1955 .357 Magnum, the 1928 Savage 99G was clearly made to be everything a production gun could be, and it has stood the test of time.

What say the forum?

(P.S., this is not in the other gun sub forum because the question is based on the quality of the 5 screw.)

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The two you mention are both good. Another one that pops into my head is the Winchester Model 94, maybe a late production saddle ring carbine from the '20's or early '30's.

I also think that the Savage 99 ( takedown model in 250 savage!) is a trusty companion for a five screw revolver. If it was a K 22 I´ll put it together with a Remington 550-1, in my humble opinion one of the best 22 semiautos ever made.

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I third the Model 99. I want a takedown model from the 1920s pretty bad...but everyone seems to know what they are worth.

I'm thinking a Winchester model 71 with a peep sight. Just gives that message of craftsmanship, ruggedness & ability to get the job done.

Surprising how many think of the Savage 99. How about a nice T, although the G is a little easier to find. Either one will do!

Like my 5 screw, my 99G is exactly what it needs to be. No compromises, not "dandied up," and excellent fit and finish.

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Definitely a Remington Model 81 in .35 Remington or .300 Savage.

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What about the Remington 81 makes you think of a 5 Screw?

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If you are considering old-timey law enforcement, you cannot forget the Bonnie and Clyde era. I most associate 38 M&P revolvers with their glory days of the 1920s and 1930s, so Browning BAR and Auto 5 plus the 38 M&P, make a perfect trio.

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My June 1918 M1917 .45 DA keeps company with my October 1918 M1917 Eddystone.

I agree with Gary/glowe in associating 5-screw M&P's with the old days of crime and law enforcement - especially the Prohibition and gangster eras - 1920-1940.
Therefore I'll choose my long gun entry as my 1931 Remington 11R semi-auto shotgun. (11R = 20 inch cylinder bore riot barrel)

Marlin 336 in .30-30, or 39A.

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The Remington Model 8 and its nearly identical and slightly modernized successor, the Model 81, were very widely used by various US law enforcement agencies from the 1920s through the 1950s. The FBI and the Texas Rangers used them, as well as Frank Hamer's posse that ambushed Bonnie and Clyde. So did Pancho Villa's bodyguards. Teddy Roosevelt took a Model 8 in .35 Remington along on his 1909-10 East African Safari, but whether he used or not is unrecorded. He intended to use for medium-sized plains game at close range, and it would have been excellent for that purpose. For a long time, these were the only "high-power" semiauto rifles available on the civilian market, in calibers .25 Remington, .30 Remington, .32 Remington, .35 Remington, and .300 Savage (the latter in the Model 81 only). The sole exception was the odd "Standard" rifle which was sort of a pump/semiauto hybrid, also available in .25, .30, and.35 Remington calibers, and are not often encountered. I have seen only two of them. The only other civilian CF semi auto rifles available at that time were the Winchester models 05, 07, and 10, but in weaker calibers (.32, .35, .351, and .401 WSL). Even though recoil operated, very similar to the Browning A-5 and Remington Model 11 shotguns, the resemblance of the Model 8/81 action to that of the AR-15 is remarkable. Its safety design was used in the AK-47, as Kalashnikov admitted.

Regarding wood quality, fit and finish, the higher factory grades (B through E) of the Model 8/81 are absolutely incomparable. Even the standard versions were pretty good.

One of mine, an early (pre-WWI) Model 8 in .30 Remington:

A pre-64 Winchester Model 70 is an obvious choice, but I know there are more.
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Like all Smith's there are different quality pre 64 model 70's. The pre 1952 are the essence of "price be damned production", with the pre 1948's the top of the pile.
About any of the pre war Winchesters comes to mind. While many pre war Remington's come to mind, I never felt they had the fit or finish or the pride of ownership that the Winchesters did.

Yes sir. My '51 22 Combat Masterpiece and my '48 Marlin 39A go together like popcorn and butter.

I am going to tie my suggestions to 1935, the year that the RM came out. The Winchester 70 predecessor, the Model 54, could parallel the RM in artisanship, especially in the Super Grade versions; however, its stamped trigger guard (also found on the Model 52) was a Model 54 detraction that disappeared when the Model 70 appeared in about 1937 with its machined trigger guard assembly. The prewar Model 70s had the same level of artisanship as the Model 54. This artisanship continued until the elimination of the cloverleaf tang in about 1948-1949. I also would give an honorable mention to the Springfield NRA Sporter that was available in the 1922-1942 period. Its finish was rougher than the Winchesters, but its design was that of a superior quality bolt action rifle. It also had a machined trigger guard assembly in all of its versions. Of course, all of these "companions" to the RM needed to be equipped with the Lyman 48 peep sight of the proper prewar vintage to qualify fully as the RM companion.

For a rifle I think the Winchester 1873 is the best looking gun ever built. The LC Smith 12guage double barrel hammer gun is second!

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Winchester Model 1897 shotgun or M97 trench gun, and a Model 1894 lever action.

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Well; there was this blonde ........ my Junior year in College.........

Wait a MSW at the first Hospital I worked at ........... long snowy weekends.........yep she's the one!!!!!!!


OH ...... a rifle ........... modern production a CZ FS...... mannlicher!!!!!!

How about a sweet factory caliber conversion to 357 by Winchester of their fine 1892 with a steel forend cap ala short rifle versus a barrel band.....those little guns just make me drool.... :->

The Remington Model 58 Sportsman comes to mind, along withWinchester92s and 94s. Oh, and lets not forget the sporterized 03-A3 Springfield, a classic hunting rifle if there ever was one!

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Why, my 5 screw in 45Colt/ACP of course

Pre 64 winchesters as mentioned have about 3 grades, pre war, post war to 55 or so and 56 or 57 to 64.

The pre war winchesters compare to 5 screw RM or 27's.

The later pre 64's are comparable to 5 screws except the 61-63 Winchesters finish was not as good as the 5 Screw. Shot great though.
Shotguns, Parker's and Philadelphia AH Fox's. Early over and under Browning's. I've owned all 3, after much use I felt the AH Fox was the best side by side. The early Browning OU's were very, very nice. I like them best of all OU's.

I have a "pre" 27 made in the middle 50's, it looks right at home next to my early 50's pre 64.

I need to modify my statement a little, the pre war Super Grade was definitely the equal of a RM. The rest of the pre war model 70's were a close 2nd. I've owned quite a few pre war's including SG's. They are just flat out nice.

I would offer this grouping I put together several years ago.
1934-Colt woodsman Sport with medium bbl and King reflector sights
1935-Win 21 Tournament Skeet 16ga English stock
1936-S&W RM 5"bbl call bead sight U notch rear (required 5-screw)
1937-Win 70 Super Grade 30-06 Lyman48
All have been used but taken care of. You could cover most anything with these four 1930's "works of art" Sorry, the old cell phone pic doesn't do them justice.

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