Reproduction Registered Magnum Certificates are now available from Jean and Roy Jinks. If you have a Registered Magnum with a factory letter, but no registration certificate, you can now have a reproduction for your revolver completed and sent to you by Mr. Jinks. Cost is $100 with the money raised benefitting the Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation's project to digitize and index the records of Smith & Wesson housed at the Springfield Museum.

The photo below shows what your certificate will look like (click on the photo for a closer look). It should arrive approximately four weeks after you mail your order. Instructions on how to place your order are listed on the form.

The order form is available by clicking here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/SWHF-regcert.doc

Questions about filling out the form can be addressed to me via a private message or at [email protected]

Don't miss this limited opportunity!!!!

Bill Cross

It's nice these are available for guys who really can benefit from having them but it reaffirms why I can't afford to be a serious collector.

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No life story has happy end.

That is really cool. I would pay it in a heartbeat. Now I just wish I had a Registered Magnum so I would need one of these.

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Dr. B

I don't see how.

First of all, it is my dim recollection these certificates are "similar" to the originals----not the same. Next, while Roy may very well been alive and kicking at the time some of the original certificates were issued/signed, he damn sure didn't sign any of them.

Ralph Tremaine

I think this is a great idea and a great opportunity. Just wish I had a Reg. Mag.

However, I recall not long ago a bunch of folks here on the forum going ballistic over reproduction stickers to put on the end of blue, two piece boxes. I personally think this is fine too, but it sure was surprising to read all the opposition.

These certificates will embossed with a S&WHF seal that also includes "COPY" in the center. The certificate is a reproduction of a blank original certificate.

Bill

I'd suggest the Roy Jenks signature should also be hand-dated, just to make it very obvious that it is a replica certificate, not one which would have been sent in the late 1930s.

I suspect Roy Jinks was not signing the original certificates back in the 1930s so I doubt one of these could ever be passed off as original except to a total noob.

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No life story has happy end.

I would like to get one for my RM, as soon as my letter is done. Also going to send for more information from the S&WHF.

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George Jamison

Is the information on the certificate from the original files at S&W or is it from what a factory letter shows? Is the name that of the original owner or the current owner?

Not necessarily. Not everyone who might fall for a replica certificate haunts this forum, and many have no idea as to who Roy Jenks is. I think it should be made very obvious to anyone looking at it that it is definitely NOT an original certificate, making no assumptions regarding anyone's level of knowledge, now or 25 years in the future.

1. It is Jinks, not Jenks.
2. That's why it clearly says "COPY."
3. Buyers have some responsibility for their own due diligence.

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Kevin Williams SWCA1649 HF208

Kevin

I couldn't agree more!! This is for a good cause and I would support it 100%.

Brian...the information on the certificate comes from the factory records as does the information in the factory letter. However, often the actual owner of the revolver is unknown because the gun was shipped to a distributor. In this case, the name of the distributor or the current owner could be used.

Bill

Sighted in at 200 yards? Really??

Wow. Was that normal?

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I always take precautions

I ordered one a few weeks back. I think with the factory letter and documentation from the SWHF, the repro certificate simply add's to the overall package. I thank all of those who are responsible for getting the project from a discussion to a finished project. And the money goes to a good cause. I have no delusions or intentions about this reproduction enhancing the value of my RM, that is not my reason for purchasing this document.
Bill
SWCA 2707

It wasn't typical, but there were a few requested to be sighted in at that distance.

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Kevin Williams SWCA1649 HF208

While being done for a good cause, this certificate will in no way increase the value of the gun.

One might get their $100.00 back - but it will never amount to the value of a Registered Magnum with an "original" certificate of course.

That should go without saying, but there are those who will believe this is just like having an original.

Registered Number 12 was ordered to be sighted in at 200 Meters.

You may be right but a.) I don't think that is the intent; b.) we have no way of knowing what value collectors may afford to this certificate 20 or 50 years from now. I agree that they will probably never be worth what an original is...ever...but I also don't believe anyone would think they would be. OTOH, Roy isn't getting any younger and I suspect these will enhance the value of a gun by more than $100 in a few years.

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Kevin Williams SWCA1649 HF208

"2. That's why it clearly says "COPY."

And that in itself is unclear, and could be interpreted as being a copy of an original. And for the third time, I believe it falls short of being enough of an indication that it is a modern replica. It should somehow be clearly marked as being a non-original replica, and also the signature should be dated. "COPY" just does not cut it.

Always someone who wants to ruin a good thing. I think if it benefits the historical foundation which in turn leads to more of the preservation of this fine thing we call Smith & Wesson. I'm all for it.

Even if it is a copy of an original...Its still worthless.

I don't own a Registered Magnum and I don't see one in my future. I however, would like to have one of the certificates for my room just to have one. As others have stated, it is for the S&WHF and any project that assists in their effort to digitize the S&W records benefits us and those who will follow us.

Not sure how the certificate will read, perhaps RM #1 or some fictitious number. As I said, I just want one to hang on the wall.

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James Redfield
LM #497

DWalt,

I think if you read Bill's above quote...(Post #7)...It would be very hard for anyone to interpret these Certificates as being a "Copy" of an Original being they now have the S&W Historical Foundation's Seal...Look closely at Bill's Photo included in his First Post!!

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Masterpiece

Here's a thought: those of you who think these are "unclear" or "worthless" shouldn't buy them. Many Registered Magnum collectors have been asking for something like this for years and, as others point out, this is a good thing for the S&W Historical Foundation. It is our only hope for access to factory shipping information once Roy passes away.

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Kevin Williams SWCA1649 HF208

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Same diffurnce- they're both vowels.

Another version will be available for those afraid future collectors will be complete idiots.

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Lee Jarrett

So, by registering our Registered Magnum(s), does this entitle us to free upgrades, free work and free replacement of parts by the SWHF for the lifetime of the firearm? That's the whole idea, right? I would like a King reflector sight to be installed on my RM!

Great job Lee - this way even the Colt collectors won't be fooled by the reproduction certificates! I think we all know that Colt collectors all secretly want a "Registered Magnum"

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~SWCA #2732~

But.....what I want to know is.......Is this a Copy?

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Miss My Buddy crsides!!

Where do I order One of the new Ones? I don't want anyone getting screwed in the Future....Even though if they are THAT stupid they will screw themselves.

And in other news, ...

Perhaps the word "reproduction" should be used on the certificate rather than "copy".

That would clear up everything.

Here are a couple of questions from a total newbie:
What does the term "Registered Magnum" mean?
What were the requirements for being a "Registered Magnum"?

I have gotten 2 of these and I am extremely happy with them. I also would like to thank Doc44, Roy and Jean for all the trouble they have went through to make such a great offering to our group.

Tim

Welcome! Enjoy all 2,040 posts :

http://smith-wessonforum.com/searchr...d+Magnum&sa=Go

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Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

Thanks MurphyDog.......Great info for new collectors. I'm on the hunt...

I am with the voices that say there will be confusion; and that not necessarily lessened by the word "Copy". Perhaps "Reproduction" is far more fitting and definitive legal term.
As to the Certificate itself, it would add noting to me. But saying that, a modern reproduction box would seem to fall into the same category.
I believe adding a dimension of 'modernity' is at best of little utility and at worst tends to denigrate true historic authenticity.
While I can appreciate Mr. Jinks motives, I don't concur with the result.
To me the "lettering" at one extreme of information, utility and resulting intrinsic investment value. The Certificates, a poor investment. Next thing we'll find these being altered/aged as passed off as originals or, excuse me, "original copies", as most home printers can now deftly accomplish. I would also suppose that these Certificates were never copyrighted or such long expired. Next step, indistinguishable Chinese issued imports! Be careful what we wish for and... Leave the genuine originals as precious! And in all this, just better not to go there!

And too the postscript concerning the question of just how many fake factory letters themselves are knocking around. Have a rare factory variation... Not! Forge a letter and instantly obviate that pesky problem! A do it yourself rarity enhancer/creator! But at least with the letters, an underlying useful product!

My absolute take.

With computers and printers and photo shop, anything is possible. There are enough examples of these certificates and history letters on the interweb that unscrupulous folks can produce just about anything that they want.

Several years ago, I took over the management of a 48 unit condominium complex. My predecessor was using the association funds as his own personal cookie jar. He went so far as to photo shop the Trusts bank statement showing that there was $40,000 in the account. When one of the Trustees went to the bank and asked for a copy of the statement, it revealed that there was only $900 in the account.

So, bad people will always figure out how to do bad things. These certificates are not an exact duplicate of the original certificates, have the word copy on them, and are signed by someone that didn't sign them in the 1930's. They are neat and really not any different that the gazillion reproduction S&W catalogs that Cornell Publishing has available on eBay. Will anyone know in 100 years that THEY aren't original?????

The money funds a great cause and I am buying one even though I don't own a registered magnum. I have already made arrangements with the folks at Mission Impossible to have the certificate self destruct in the event of my death so it can never be used as a forgery.

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James Redfield
LM #497

l sure would like to own RM#12 sighted in @ 200meters..l need help hitting those IHMSA 200meter Rams on the 4th Sat each month in Lincolnton Ga for our club meets

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First Jim, Regarding 'why not' of such Certificates... I suppose it's the old burden/benefit analysis. I simply believe that the opportunity for confusion with genuine products, as a springboard for evil doers and the like; such outweighs what seems little more than a repro 'novelty factor'. Just a balancing approach.

Second. As I understand you, a non Reg Mag owner, proposing to purchase a Certificate...
Rather than simply sending a check to the Association (and perhaps even accruing a tax deductible donation if qualified non-profit), you propose to request and purchase a blank Reg. Mag. Certificate?
What’s wrong with this picture? Should requests for issuance of such certificates in blank be honored? Or perhaps like Lotto, simply picking a Reg number and requesting a Certificate; or simply requesting a 'famous personage' approach? Should Mr. Jinks be expected to sign such too!!!
I afraid under your 'blank' plan offered to all, we'd see potentially such as such as General Grant and Madonna as ‘instant’ historic/celebrity Reg Mag owners! Perhaps a rethink desirable here?

Re: Your condo discussion: FYI (only!): In instances of employee defalcation, the particular crime notwithstanding, some states sustain civil liability theory against such as directors, officers, trustees, or like functionaries, whether compensated or (as for instance HOAs) volunteers. Such contemplated as breach of fiduciary duty in respect of competency and due diligence in duty performance. Just broadly generalizing our loud here.

Blank certificates are not available and Jim was not proposing to purchase one.

Seems like I brought up the subject of reproduction certificates a few years ago (I think at Tulsa or in the SWCA member section) and practically got burned at the stake. I am pretty sure I even suggested any funds go to the SWHF.

Funny how times change.

Ya know, there are some people you can never please. Or should I say you can never make them happy. During my 30 years at FedEx as a trace agent I spoke to them almost daily. It didn't matter if the infraction/screwup was their fault...and mostly it WAS. They still threatened to sue (pfft go ahead), threatened to call Frank Smith (whoever that was) and usually threatened to have me fired (take a number and git in line).
I could always tell they just weren't happy in life. I think we are WAY overthinking this offering from the Historical folks.
I say, order a certificate, have a cup of coffee, and enjoy them both.
I may order one for my mangey ole RM once I get the dough.
In my best Joe Dirt voice.... dang.

Roger

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