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I'm trying to determine when the caliber roll marking on the left side of the barrel was
started, by serial number. From my guns, which are listed below, it starts somewhere
between 3865 and 10471 . Somewhere in this range, the caliber roll marking is
.38 S&W SPECIAL CTG . Secondarily, I am looking to see if there are any 1899's that
have the dual-caliber marking. None of mine do - all of my 1902's have the dual marking.

The information I want is only the serial number and the caliber roll marking on the left
side of the barrel. I'll add them to my list, keeping it updated here. No names will be
attached. You can either respond by posting the information in this thread, or send me a PM, or an email ( mpriwer@comcast.net).

If I can gather enough data, I suspect that there will be a region where some guns have
caliber roll markings, and others do not.

Here is my list, plus any others that are contributed, designated with an "*" after the serial number.

225 no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking

10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

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Do you just want 38 special SN or do you also want 32-20 ones too ?
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That's a good question, but I don't have any 32-20's any more ! I'm only doing .38's.
Whatever I find here can be used to infer where the point-of-interest is for the 32-20's.
I think I can do that.

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Mine is a .32 Winchester, marked on the left side. Serial number is 4287* and it shipped in September 1901.
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.32-20 target #747 (formerly yours) - 32 WINCHESTER CTG
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My 32-20 is marked ol the left side .32 Winchester serial number is 2662
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Does anyone have a 1899 Navy contract gun, and if so, what is the caliber roll marking ? If they were caliber-marked on the barrel, that may have been the beginning of marking all the .38 barrels as .38 Special Ctg.

As to the 32-20's, the model of 1899 was offered with three (3) optional chamberings:
.38 Special, .38 US Service cartridges (meaning .38 long colt), and 32 Winchester.
I think that, in the beginning, the default cartridge marking for .38's was no marking, and
for 32 Winchester, it was marked 32 Winchester. I would think that would be necessary for distinguishing the larger vs smaller caliber. All of the 32 Winchesters seem to be marked.

Note that there was only one model - the 1899 - but it was produced in two different serial number series; one for .38's, and one for 32 Winchester. This was probably done purposely to confuse future collectors; at the time, no one cared about serial number series.

They did something similar with the finish options. Early on, the default was blue, and nickel guns were stamped with an "N" on the barrel, cylinder, etc. Sometime later, they switched, such that the blue guns were marked with a "B", and the nickel guns had no marking. This is what I have been told.

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I'm trying to determine when the caliber roll marking on the left side of the barrel was
started, by serial number. From my guns, which are listed below, it starts somewhere
between 3865 and 10471 . Somewhere in this range, the caliber roll marking is
.38 S&W SPECIAL CTG . Secondarily, I am looking to see if there are any 1899's that
have the dual-caliber marking. None of mine do - all of my 1902's have the dual marking.

The information I want is only the serial number and the caliber roll marking on the left
side of the barrel. I'll add them to my list, keeping it updated here. No names will be
attached. You can either respond by posting the information in this thread, or send me a PM, or an email ( mpriwer@comcast.net).

If I can gather enough data, I suspect that there will be a region where some guns have
caliber roll markings, and others do not.

Here is my list, plus any others that are contributed, designated with an "*" after the serial number.

225* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking

10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

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How about 38 MIL used on commercial guns? I believe that is the same as 38 LC?
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How about 38 MIL used on commercial guns? I believe that is the same as 38 LC?
I have never seen a barrel stamped as .38 MIL. Have I missed something? I think the usual barrel marking is "U. S. Service CTG" which is the .38 Long Colt.
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3733 with no caliber markings. 38 Special.
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I'm trying to determine when the caliber roll marking on the left side of the barrel was
started, by serial number. From my guns, which are listed below, it starts somewhere
between 3865 and 10471 . Somewhere in this range, the caliber roll marking is
.38 S&W SPECIAL CTG . Secondarily, I am looking to see if there are any 1899's that
have the dual-caliber marking. None of mine do - all of my 1902's have the dual marking.

The information I want is only the serial number and the caliber roll marking on the left
side of the barrel. I'll add them to my list, keeping it updated here. No names will be
attached. You can either respond by posting the information in this thread, or send me a PM, or an email ( mpriwer@comcast.net).

If I can gather enough data, I suspect that there will be a region where some guns have
caliber roll markings, and others do not.

Here is my list, plus any others that are contributed, designated with an "*" after the serial number.

225* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking

8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

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S&W .38 MIL was used on the 1899 Army contract. I've not seen any commercial guns with that marking.

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Mike, sorry for the delay, since I had not taken pictures of this one yet. It shipped in December, 1902. The gun has all matching parts and is a 38 MIL. As I understand it, this gun was shipped after the Model 1902s had made their entrance, so maybe made up with leftover parts for an order??
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Mike: S/N 8636 has 38 S&W Special marked on the left side of the barrel.
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Mike, forgot another 1899, stamped .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG. Interesting that this one is 2000 higher than the 6" above, but was shipped in February 1902.
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I'm guessing that the barrel on 17813 is an Army-contract over-run. Interesting, but seems to fit the story about the company using up spare parts.

Dick

Thanks for this serial number. It closes the center gap in the data. I'm beginning to think that the barrel caliber roll marking started sometime after the Navy contract (6000) and before your gun of 8636.

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Here is the updated list, with the latest four additions:

225* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking

7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

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#6181 5" Tgt [has faint 38..... roll mark on left side.] It is well worn with little finish.
UPDATE- Caliber markings are not present.
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This is important to this search. Would it be possible to get a closer picture of that roll marking ? Can you make out any other characters in that area ?

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Whoever cleaned this one up never got higher than 40 grit! [All I can see is what looks like a very faint "38".] UPDATE- there are no caliber markings on bbl. There are patent dates on top of barrel
"...Wesson..Springfield.....July ? 84" Those too are very faint markings. This one was rode hard and put up wet, many times. It does letter as 5" target and shipped to Beakhart 1-24-1900. I'll try for photos tomorrow.
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Somewhere in the range of 6000 to 8600 is where I've come to believe the caliber roll marking started. I set the magnification to about 350, and I can see bits and pieces of stamping. I'm thinking this establishes the beginning of the caliber marking.

If you can get a clear high-resolution picture of that area of the barrel, you can send it
to me via email, at mpriwer@comcast.net . The resolution gets knocked way down when posting pictures on this sight. You might try rubbing some oil over the area, then wipe it lightly, so that some of the old stays in the surface depressions. A bright light might then highlight it.

In spite of the finish, that is a scarce gun. The number of 5" 1899 targets is probably less than 20, and maybe less than that.

Thanks for helping out here. I appreciate it.

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Sent email with full size pic. It is so faint making it very difficult to see, or maybe I'm seeing things, lol! Surely someone has a decent 6k range 1899. Good luck with your research and thanks for sharing.
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Here is a picture of the caliber roll marking on the 1899 Army contract guns.



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Do the revolvers with the different caliber markings actually have different chamberings? The .38 Special should accept the .38 Long Colt ( .38 Gov't) cartridge.
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But not vice-versa, at least for the S&Ws. The early Colt Army&Navy revolvers had bored-through chambers (no step for the case mouth), and allegedly even accepted .357 Magnum rounds. I suppose that for some unknown reason, the military specified that their S&Ws have the shorter chambers like the 1892, et. seq. Colts for the .38 LC cartridge only. But there is indeed no problem in firing .38 LC ammo in a .38 Special chamber.
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Here is the updated list, with the latest seven additions:

40* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking

7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

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Thanks for 7719 from an auction site. I added it to the most recent list .

So far, there are three distinct regions: no roll markings, the unknown region from 6700 to 7500, and the .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG marking. This data is telling me that somewhere in the unknown region is where the caliber roll marking starts. I expect that if we can gather enough observations in this region, we will see a mix of marked and unmarked guns. This is because the guns were not shipped in serial number order, and yet that is the key into this data. There is nothing I can do about this, but so far we've learned approximately where the caliber marking starts.

Its also interesting that the two "solid" not-marked and marked regions are, in fact, not jumbled up. This is telling me that we have not yet found the spot where the marking
starts. And, once it was started, we've not found any unmarked guns. This suggests that they did not have much of an inventory of unmarked barrels, once the marking started. Perhaps they went back and marked any unmarked barrels in inventory, once the order came down to mark them.

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I just requested the info from S&W on mine, but if it helps, '38 s&w special ctg' and the serial is 3705. On the barrel behind the front sight, it does have: 'x'S.U.S.A. Patented
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Cylinder is a 6 shot. I don't know if they tried to center the serial's over the grip pin, but mine is slightly off center.
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I just requested the info from S&W on mine, but if it helps, '38 s&w special ctg' and the serial is 3705. On the barrel behind the front sight, it does have: 'x'S.U.S.A. Patented
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Cylinder is a 6 shot. I don't know if they tried to center the serial's over the grip pin, but mine is slightly off center.
Welcome to the forum I would start a new thread for your S&W as it is a different model than what is being discussed here.
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Here is the updated list, with the latest seven additions:

40* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking

7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

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40* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking

7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

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23* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking

7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

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SN 14797 6 1/2" Target
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Mike,
Thanks for the posts. We can always learn something no matter how old we get. I had only collected the 1899 & 1902 Military variations with standard sights but what I like the most are Target Variations from 1899 to 1905, 4th. I never before paid much attention to the standard sighted models

Thanks for the continuing education credits. S&W CFE by Mike Prewar at S&W University.

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SN: 5501 US Navy M1899 NO caliber markings (barrel is original to gun)

SN: 19593 1899 M&P Target "38 S&W SPECIAL CTG"

SN: 62356 1902 M&P 1st Change Target
on two lines: "38 S&W SPECIAL" (above) "& U.S. SERVICE CTG'S" (below)
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SN 179

No caliber roll marking.

Thanks for doing this research.
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DW Johnson

Thanks for this serial number - 179 . From the list I have posted, ths gun would not
have any caliber marking.

Sal (model3sw)

Thanks for the three serial numbers. I'm adding all four of these to the list.

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Hi Mike

So does it make sense that my 1899 SN 179, with no caliber markings on the barrel would have been chambered for 38 Special?

Somebody said the very early ones were chambered for the shorter US govt cartridge, which I assume is the same as 38 Long Colt.

Roy told me this one shipped in October of 1899.

38 Special brass clearly chambers all the way, the chambers are long enough for them.

I do not see any evidence of the chambers having been lengthened, they appear original.

You can see photos in the thread I started yesterday.

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The earliest relevant catalog I have is the 1900 catalog. The gun is called
.38 Military (Model of 1899). The ammunition is .38 S&W Special, US Service Cartridge
(.38 Long Colt), and .32 Winchester Repeating Rifle Cartridge. There was no
separate model for the 32 Winchester; its just an optional chambering. The earlier
guns did not have any caliber marking on the barrel.

As far as I know, and as far as the catalog information is concerned, there
was no .38 Military (Model of 1899) ever offered in only 38 Long Colt. The Army
contract guns are marked .38 MIL.; as far as I know, they chamber both .38 Special
and .38 Long Colt. I could be wrong about that, but I did own an Army at one point,
and I'm reasonably sure that when I cleaned it, .38 Special cartridges seated
correctly in the cylinder, for stabilizing the extractor star.

All .38 chamberings of the Model of 1899 will accommodate the longer
(.38 Special) cartridge, so that is what your's would have been chambered for.
Furthermore, since its not an Army contract gun, and unless it was a special order,
I'm sure it was originally chambered for .38 Special.

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Mike,

-My Army is stamped S&W .38 Mil (13664)
-My Navy is not stamped (5048)
-Commercial is marked .38 Special CTG (14649)
-I previously owned serial number 39 in .32 Winchester and it was correctly roll marked as such.
-I have a project 4-digit .32 Winchester and it is the same.

I have never seen a .32 that wasn't caliber marked.
I have only seen the dual .38 stamp on 1902 and later.

My Army was factory refinished in Nickel in the 1920's. It will chamber a 38 Special so I always assumed it had been reamed longer. Good info above that it was originally chambered for .38 Special.

Added: I just checked again. My Army WILL chamber a .38 Spl but my Navy WILL NOT.
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Hi Mike

Thanks for answering my question.
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Just an observation I had wondered for years why the cylinder on a Smith & Wesson Model 10 was much longer than needed for the 38 special. That is until bought my first one chambered for the 32-20 then it became obvious it was designed around the 32-20 from the get go. Does anyone know if the 32-20 ones were made first then the 38 Special or did the production on these run at the same time
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I don't suppose anyone has a possible example of one of the 500 1899 Navy revolvers that were purchased in July 1940 by the United Kingdom along with 500,000 M1917 rifles and 80,000 assorted machine guns, from U.S. stocks?

The revolver would almost certainly have British commercial proof marks. Weather any received British ordnance inspection marks is unknown at this point.

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Mike, Found another one

17,571, 6" nickel RB ".38 S&W SPECIAL CTG. "

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Here is the updated list, with the latest 1 addition:

23* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking

7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

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Thank you, Gary, for calling Sal's serial number to my attention.

Here is the updated list, with the latest 1 addition:

23* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking

7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17571* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

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My .38 Spec with SN 7457 has no barrel markings or CTG size.

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