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My PPC revolver ( What Have I Got? ) has ruined me. Now I shoot all my revolvers K17-2, 27-2, and 18-8 double action only. I never even think of using one in the single action mode. Even shot a .22LR Steel Challenge using the 17 & 18 in the handgun portion....since both are six shot and the course was set up with six targets and a stop plate, I used one as a New York Reload to complete the course of fire. Not as fast as the auto pistols, but still a hoot to try it.
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Steel Challenge scoring is simple: your time is your score!
Each stage consists of five targets, commonly referred to as plates. Four are standard plates, and the fifth is designated as the stop plate.

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Steel Challenge scoring is simple: your time is your score!
Each stage consists of five targets, commonly referred to as plates. Four are standard plates, and the fifth is designated as the stop plate.

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We use a total of seven. Gonna sue us? Just makes it a bit tougher is all.
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AJ, why do you think Smith & Wesson designed and perfected the double action trigger? Of course it comes natural and is habit forming.

By the way, with some work, multiple targets are faster with a proper double action revolver than a semi-automatic pistol; one can use the DA function to recover from recoil. With a semi-automatic, one has to wait for the pistol to be ready.

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I've been shooting revolvers, mostly Smiths, since the early '60's. I learned to shoot them double action well by the end of the sixties and decided early on just to shoot them that way all the time since duty carry use indicated very few instances where the single action method was recommended or necessary. Practicing, training, qualifying were all done in the double action mode for me since that was the way I would be using the revolver while on duty. I tried to do it one way and do it as well as I could possibly do it, especially under stress. I also learned how to make my double action pulls be consistently smooth in action and weight all the way through. Trigger pull weight is less important than a smooth and consistent action for me, especially since my duty revolver was the same every day for many years. Our course of qualification fire involved the 60 round FBI and NRA taught qualification using a full half silhouette target that included 24 rounds fired from the 50 yard line. It was "legal" to use single action from that distance. When I found that it was possible to shoot accurately from that distance in double action for me, I never used single action again! I cannot remember when the last time was that I have fired a revolver single action.

We were taught in those days to use a grip that involves placing the thumb of the support hand over the grip hand and behind the hammer of the revolver, so that if single action was used, the support hand thumb could be used to cock the hammer and the grip of the firing hand was not broken during the cocking process. I have a scar on my left thumb as the result of firing a semi-auto with the same grip. The slide sliced the top side of that thumb when I fired it. Needless to say, after feeling the pain and seeing the blood run, it took me a bit to figure out what had happened! That instinctive revolver grip was hard for me to change anytime I had occasion to fire a semi-auto. For a great many years, I did not fire many semi-autos! Today, I do fire them often, but I still tend to default to the old style grip I learned and used for so many years with my revolvers. For me, single action does have a purpose, but only in very specific situations that allow plenty of time and generally a rest of some kind when attempting to make a very long distance and very accurate shot at something. If that something is a target, I still normally use my double action. My way certainly may not be for everyone, but it works well for me, and I commend you for having discovered that double action firing can be done with good results. Making haste slowly while firing a course of action very deliberately in double action mode can result in surprising accuracy! And remember that only perfect practice makes perfect! Good shooting to you, Sir!
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AJ, because seven rounds is not "revolver neutral", as required in many sanctioned competitions.
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Shoot whatever local shooting game you want to create, but it is not Steel Challenge, which is defined by USPSA rules and standard targets. USPSA, IDPA, NRA, and other sanctioned competitions are getting bad PR from clubs using tribal rules and stealing the names from the national organizations. I see many similar posts from people bashing IDPA who have never shot a real sanctioned match.

Just violating copyright laws is all.
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Shoot whatever local shooting game you want to create, but it is not Steel Challenge, which is defined by USPSA rules and standard targets. USPSA, IDPA, NRA, and other sanctioned competitions are getting bad PR from clubs using tribal rules and stealing the names from the national organizations. I see many similar posts from people bashing IDPA who have never shot a real sanctioned match.

Just violating copyright laws is all.
Sorry, I miswrote. This is the NSSF RIMFIRE CHALLENGE, formerly the Ruger Rimfire Challenge. We just called it a Steel Challenge. This being said we just want shooters to come out and enjoy themselves. If it takes bending the rules to get folks to come out and participate then so be it. Don't see enough families on the range as it is, need to get the interest up, especially among the younger shooters.
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In fact, the only reason to use seven plates is a revolver cannot win. This strokes the egos of all the automatic cultists.

Quite frankly, if one has to fire more than about four shots in anger, there are only a couple of explanations:

1. Both parties are really bad shooters. (Most common.)

2. One side is very seriously outnumbered and probably about to lose by weight of numbers. (If the greater number are really bad shooters and/or have poor discipline, there's a chance.)

3. The winner is showing himself a poor sport and setting himself up for a wrongful death suit by shooting the loser multiple times when it is not needed. (Sometimes called the "This one is for my great uncle Harvey!" syndrome.)

In the spirit of genuine fairness, the revolver 'fans' have done it as well. When the FBI course was a semi-assault course and prior to the days of speedloaders, some officials would allow semi-automatics to compete in competition, but only allow ONE magazine. Shooters had to carry spare ammunition just like the revolver shooters, loose in one's pocket.

Both attitudes are silly. Competition based on 'self-defense' should test and measure the shooter, not magazine capacity, track and field ability or other extraneous but ego building concerns. If one type of handgun is superior, it will prevail in actual situation.

And there is no 'fair' in a death struggle.
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We only shot our local competition with revolver for some added fun. We also shot the rifle portion with bolt guns vs. 10/22's. Had fun and knew going in we would not be close to winning. If I was real interested in winning would use autos for everything. Just want to get folks interested in shooting as a sport and to have fun with it. We actually have a couple of teenagers that shoot and some husbands & wife's that shoot together. Gave up trying to prove anything years ago. Still remember how to combat shoot if necessary. Hopefully, never again.
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