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S&W victory (England)
Any info appreciated new to Smith and Wesson I have a victory 4" with a England stamp on the cylinder s# v3xxx
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With a four-digit serial, your Victory would be from about June 1942, not too long after the start of V-prefix production.
Guns shipped to Britain normally were the 5” British Service model in .38 S&W. But 4” US models also ended up in Britain, so if your gun says 38 S&W SPECIAL CTG on the barrel, that’s what it likely is. Is anything stamped on the topstrap, or the butt besides the serial?
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Kko
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On the backstrap
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Welcome to the forum. We love photos.
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Thanks. Looks nice. Not sure the grips are original but they look nice on the Victory.
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Wrong grips
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The grips are original match any other photo I've seen of a victory sorry about the photo quality
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No, those are not the correct or original grips. The stocks on it now are from the early post-WW1 period. They are 20 years older than your gun.
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Found what I believe may be another serial # under the yoke where the model # would be on any newer models 43251 with a (y) above it Can anyone tell me what this is
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That number is probably an assembly number.
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That's an assembly number used during manufacture. The correct serial number is the one on the bottom of the grip frame.
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Thanks 4 the info
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Thank everyone for all the information
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The proofs (BNP) show Birmingham, so all I see confirms what I said earlier.
There seems to be a British military property broad arrow on the upper frame behind the cylinder, although it's quite thin and faint.
As others said, the stocks are 1920s-style, so not original. Please show a photo of the other side or at least confirm that the barrel says SPECIAL on the right, which I’m pretty sure it does.
The backstrap marking “Kko 10-40” doesn’t ring a bell. I’d like to see a nicely focused close-up of that, too.
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Thanks for the additional photos. So it is definitely an original .38 Spl. 4" barrel.
The gun has been refinished in commercial blue. A V-prefix gun would have the dull utility sandblast finish. Most obviously, your gun is missing the large S&W logo on the sideplate (right side). It may have been buffed off, or got a new sideplate.
See attached example of an unissued 1942 Victory.
If my identification of the broad arrow is correct, the backstrap marking could be a British unit marking. Alternatively, it could be a post-war mark, for example by German police who got Victory revolvers during the occupation. But I can't positively identify it.
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[QUOTE=Absalom;.
As others said, the stocks are 1920s-style, so not original. QUOTE
My latest acquisition, a 5 digit navy stamped, also came with the 20's style round top grips that were unmarked either by stamp or pencil. Most likely they were added at a later date but stranger things have happened.
Possibly the revolver was rejected for a cracked or otherwise damaged grip and the service department installed whatever was on hand to meet the 100 unit per day contract shipping requirement.
Eye candy for a revolver being shipped directly to a senior officer.
Good enough reason to request a letter, I don't need much of a reason to break loose with the $75 anyway.
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My latest acquisition, a 5 digit navy stamped, also came with the 20's style round top grips that were unmarked either by stamp or pencil. Most likely they were added at a later date but stranger things have happened.
Possibly the revolver was rejected for a cracked or otherwise damaged grip and the service department installed whatever was on hand to meet the 100 unit per day contract shipping requirement.
Eye candy for a revolver being shipped directly to a senior officer.
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Well, nothing is impossible with S&W.
But it is a bit of a stretch. For 12 years prior to the smooth walnut and this gun, they had used the silver-medallion small service style, and while S&W is known for “using up” old stock, after more than a decade that style would be unlikely to still be around.
But let’s see what the letter says.
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I don't have the extra $ right now for that
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I don't have the extra $ right now for that��
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In case of your gun, the interesting part of its history would likely not be reflected in a letter anyways. At that serial, the gun would not have originally shipped to England; it likely went to a US destination and ended up overseas later thanks to the “winds of war” somehow, and the S&W historian has no info on that kind of stuff.
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This being my first Smith and being apart of this forum for only a few days I'm very impressed with the knowledge and willingness to help someone you don't even know thank you all for the help
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