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Ingenious front sight. How is it attached?
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I had a 2nd model .44 with a similar front sight. It was silver soldered on.
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Here is a Model 58 I found in a pawn shop in rural north Texas a few years ago:
Spokhandguns converted the Model 58 to .45 Long Colt (as marked on the barrel) and shortened the barrel to 3.25”. The action was one of the smoothest I have ever felt.
I traded it off for something else I just had to have
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Richard,
That's a beautiful 38-44.
That rifle sight was a very common 1930's thru the 1950's era front sight treatment when a fixed sight gun was converted to a target. I have a Model 1950 45 Military with the same treatment but with a Micro Click rear sight.
But yours is unique. I've never seen a target model with the front sight and base removed and replced with the ramped rifle sight in it's place.
Is the underneath of the rear sight #d to the gun?
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1950 Target .45 ACP, Pre Mod 26 shortened to, 4 ¼” :
Micro Site target conversion of M1917 .45 ACP, using a pre war, post 1934 2 screw S&W Reg Mag rear site with serrated hump. Redfield front site blade milled in. Micro Site double cockeyed hammer. S&W pre war serrated factory target trigger and stocks are early 1950s smooth ‘cokes’.
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M 34 'New I frame' .22/32 Kit Gun from 1960 with optional .400" target trigger added.
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And a few retro parts replacements like the pre war relieved, 'double pinch' thumb-piece in place of the flat latch and pre war 'barrel' style extractor rod/knob (required the single step notch I milled under barrel) replacing the straight rod. Both ergonomic improvements.
My son’s Model of 1955 J frame (pre Model 43) with a Model 63 stainless 3” shrouded barrel and bead blasted.
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Well, ok it’s a 37 MM flare gun, 1 1/2" cal. Model 209-277. I can hit the sky at any distance.
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A modified Third Model HE .44 Special.................
.............shown before but it fits this thread. I also enjoy handguns that have been modified to suit their owner at the time.
This one has factory re-work marks but don't know what was done there.
The barrel is 3 & 1/2, has been re-blued, and fitted with an unusual grip adapter which allowed the owner to put a set of Single Action Army style grips on it.
Someone transitioning from a Colt SAA to a Smith DA , who knows?
If I remember right it was shipped to Oshman's for Houston PD.
Has a man's name engraved on the sideplate.
Paired up with a floral tooled, break front holster by Sterling Leather.
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Is the hammer King marked? It doesn't look like King style checkering to me.
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First off. This thread... I have too much to put into it.
Richard, I love that gun. I'm surprised it wasn't used more heavily. That's a very functional modification, I've seen similar jobs but never quite like that one.
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Forth change converted into a military sight target It has a King double cockeyed hammer. Stationary rear sight. No marking on the front sight. Stocks seem to be of the home made variety and are very comfortable. Shoots right on the money at 25 yards. It has to have been reblued but it looks good to me. From the looks of the ejector rod it looks to have been fired some.
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I'm 100% sure that King didn't do the work on your gun, although it could have been done by someone who had some affiliation with King at one point. The more I dig into the old modified guns the more I find that a lot of the best people worked for him at one point or another.
I have I think 3 guns that were modified by this mystery shop: Mystery Gunsmith Fixed Target Sights/Hammers
The sight work looks like it matches up to yours?
Thing is, looking at yours I think you should look at this:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-han...er-pd-gun.html
There's a video in my thread too that you should have a look at it.
I think your gun has the same internal modifications. If I am seeing it right in your pictures the Hammer looks exactly like mine.
If you watch the video of mine to see how incredibly short the DA action is, by any chance does that match yours?
I'm suspecting after looking over your gun that whoever it was doing all this work might have been doing the short action job, or the target hammer, and certainly the fixed sight targets.
I'd love to figure out who it is, I've spent quite a lot of time poring over old magazines trying to find anything that matches. Nothing yet. I thought maybe Mershon, and got some of their old Catalogs, but couldn't find any mention there. All I know for sure is that it wasn't officially King, and I'm pretty certain it wasn't the factory.
The C.D.H. on my gun with the Short Action there might be a big clue, but I haven't had any luck tracking that down yet.
Oh, and this one: 1917 "Target", C&R celebration day!
I think this is a different shop, but it's also one of these modified fixed sight target military match style guns.
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My son’s Model of 1955 J frame (pre Model 43) with a Model 63 stainless 3” shrouded barrel and bead blasted it.
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Hi,
Great collection!
Could you please tell me where you had the Pre-43 modified?
I have one that is showing some finish wear, not enough to refinish yet, but when I have asked around I hear it is impossible to refinish the airweight frames or remove the barrel without cracking the aluminum frame.
Very nice to see it's possible to have these worked on too!
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You said ''Bubba" too, so......
This RM shipped to Vancouver then out to a bushpilot. He evidently spent long winters with McGivern's book and tried to make modifications in a blacksmith shop,LOL. I really like the 2 position rear sight. Down it is zeroed at 50yds, push the lever and you're on at 100. He also drilled and tapped the rib for lyman 438 scope, King reflector bead front, trigger stop, cockeyed hammer, firing pin, and I think fitted some kind of folding shoulder stock. Haven't figured that out yet. It was well used! Jim Stroh had to set the barrel back 2 threads to cut out the forcing cone erosion. Still shoots good, I've taken a doe and a turkey with it.
(I put HB hammer in to shoot it as I was unsure about homemade FP. I did re-install original and it works safely.)
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I bought this second-hand 625-6 .45 ACP in 2003 while I was living in Alaska.
A couple of years later I learned about the Mountain Gun, but they were no longer available. S&W did have some MG barrels left, so I bought one.
A pistolsmith in Princeton, TX (well-known to some here on the forum) swapped barrels and checked the 625 out before it was returned to me. I wasn’t trying to copy the MG, just achieve the functionality, and at a much lower price than an original .45 ACP Mountain Gun.
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I amended my narrative to "King style" as you gentlemen are correct. I also have another hammer that I got off of ebay that is identical that I am going to be installed on another military style fourth change I shoot a lot. The blade rear sight on this one is adjustable.
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I like odd ducks.
My first I had no idea what it was but I liked the grips on it.
Figured I wouldn't get burned to bad for 400 bucks and just plunked the money down.I lettered it and it turned out it went out on a company memo
as a 2" 32 S&W long M&P. I thought it unusual as the cylinder and barrel do number to the gun.
This one here.....I think Jim/Hondo 44 still has a headache from It is a 32 S&W long. I just love the sights on this little guy.
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It does appear to be soldered - but it is hard to tell. It is firmly attached.
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Here's a 1955 Model 25-2 I sent back to the Factory many moons ago and had the barrel shortened to 4 1/2"--why, I cannot remember! Keith Brown Ropers complete the package!
This is one I pretty much built when I was messing with such things--a Model 28-2 which I had bored to .45 Colt, cylinder reamed, and round-butted. It sports a 3 3/4" barrel.
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My Centennial Airweight which had a cracked frame--I returned it to the Factory and they installed a steel frame replacement, same serial number, and the barrel still says "Airweight"!
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Not as cool as some of the others,, but a S&W 1917 /1937 Brazilian I had a gunsmith friend rework for me..
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I amended my narrative to "King style" as you gentlemen are correct. I also have another hammer that I got off of ebay that is identical that I am going to be installed on another military style fourth change I shoot a lot. The blade rear sight on this one is adjustable.
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Oh, I don't mean to talk the gun down at all.
As a matter of fact I am extremely interested to have seen yours. It seems to join two different jobs that I have on my guns. That rear sight + that crazy short action hammer job. I suspected it was the same person/shop who did both on mine, but yours is the first that I have seen that seems to have both of them.
Whoever did those knew what they were doing and when we can figure out what shop did it I think it's going to prove to be very interesting.
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This thread makes me want to weep...
Someone; get a rope!!!
The weak link in almost all of these "custom-i-zations" is a front sight that looks like ****.
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This thread makes me want to weep...
Someone; get a rope!!!
The weak link in almost all of these "custom-i-zations" is a front sight that looks like ****.
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Well you probably won't like the front or rear one on my favorite K 22 then but they do help make it my most precise.
The Colonel if he were still around may find them interesting though I suppose.
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This thread makes me want to weep...
Someone; get a rope!!!
The weak link in almost all of these "custom-i-zations" is a front sight that looks like ****.
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A beauty all around. About the front sight, for some reason reminded me of a man from NYC named Jim Cirillo who when asked how he was so successful in surviving his chosen profession, he replied "my front sight has eight striations on it"... how many in this case...
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My HE44 with a barrel shortened to 4-1/2", a modified Patridge sight, and a trigger shoe.
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This is great! I find the vintage modifications incredibly interesting.
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I still own this 1917, but it's no longer in this configuration. In this photo the barrel's been cut to 4.25" and a Williams 'shorty' ramp silver soldered on.
I've since removed the 4" barrel and replaced it with a factory 3". It also sports a second cylinder in .45 Colt.
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Here is a 1922 vintage 44 special
Half/Breed I picked up a few weeks ago.
Second model frame with a Third model barrel.
Went back to the factory in Sept of 1946.
Letter ordered.
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This one has appeared here before and actually by date of manufacture (original) doesn't actually fit the 1896-1961 category, but I still love "Project 616" my custom 327 Fed Mag stainless K-frame built for me by Andy Horvath.
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629 no dash, chopped on both ends, 2 5/8" bbl, action job, radiused trigger favoring the right side, rounded hammer, magna ported, yellow insert front sight, RB combats. Its all I could think of to do. Actually, I bought it this way, except replacing the red insert with the yellow. The red one went away on its own.
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Well here's another .327 Federal done by Andy. This is one of my favorite shooters.
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Hi,
Great collection!
Could you please tell me where you had the Pre-43 modified?
I have one that is showing some finish wear, not enough to refinish yet, but when I have asked around I hear it is impossible to refinish the airweight frames or remove the barrel without cracking the aluminum frame.
Very nice to see it's possible to have these worked on too!
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Thank you Silversnake.
My son did all the work. Removing barrels from alloy frames is not as difficult as we've all heard. Both of us have done a few and never had an issue. Just use the usual precautions and common sense:
1. The barrel was a drop in. A liberal shot of some type of quality penetrant/lubricant like Breakfree, Kroil, even WD-40 (the only legitimate use for it on guns in my opinion), etc.
2. Care in driving out barrel pin so barrel threads are not upset.
3. Cautious force applied to break barrel loose to turn out. If it doesn't go, don't over apply force. Soak over night. Dry barrels will "crack" when broken loose. Soaked barrels take less force and have a much more subtle 'crack' sound indicating the penetrant makes a difference!
He glass beaded it in his home bead blasting unit with very fine media. Otherwise the alloy can be overly pitted and worn away with coarse media.
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I forgot a couple:
296 with SS cyl from a 696 to replace TI cyl. It came with extractor rod and star all fitted and assembled. Pull the yoke, slip it in and check timing. It was a drop in installation. Wanted the extra strength and I barely notice the additional weight. Older style thumb piece.
Another of my son's: 686 with 4" slender Mtn Gun barrel replacing full lug barrel. See post #1 here:
Lightweight barrel L frame .357
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Rogue S&Ws
I love old mods that go back to a time when folks did stuff to guns that made them personal and very practical because they usually had to work with what they had. Here is a WWI .455 that had a cut barrel (2.5") and donated a frame, yoke, and side plate to a .44 spl I wanted. My best friend helped me with this one:
Or maybe a 44 Triple Lock with cut barrel, and target sights!
Or maybe a 2nd model with a cut barrel with rifle sight!
I do have a number of mods, I too, love'em!
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I Got This......
13-3 with a 3" 19 barrel
17 round butt with a 2.5" 19 barrel
17-8 3" barrel
19-7 3" barrel
3" & 2.5" fixed sight 44 mag snubbies
Pre-War 3844 HD 3.5" barrel
53 round butt 22LR it may become a 3"
a 3" 681 round butt
a 3" 617-1
another shot of the 3" 44 mag fixed sight round butt
Hope you enjoy 'em.
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I've never seen a target model with the front sight and base removed and replaced with the ramped rifle sight in it's place.
Is the underneath of the rear sight #d to the gun?
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Jim:
The gun shipped as an Outdoorsman with a 6.5" barrel. The barrel does number to the gun (all the readily available numbers match, including the well worn and chipped stocks). I did not take the rear sight off, but I would expect that it would number as well. On the SWCA side, Roy gave me a date as an Outdoorsman, so I would assume that the front 2.5" were cut off (along with the front sight) and the new rib/sight was soldered onto the round of the barrel over the patent date roll marks.
Love the guns posted so far - some very cool modifications.
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I have two modified S&Ws . Neither are as nice as most of the ones seen here but they are effective.
First up is also my first S&W, a customize 1917, bought at an estate auction.
Front and rear sights were altered. stocks, trigger and hammer coarsely checkered and the hammer thinned out a bit. It definitely comes from an era when disposable income for most individuals was not much. I believe it may have been a service revolver for a local LEO or possibly an early Pennsylvania State trooper but have no real proof. It does shoot well enough despite a rough bore and cylinder chambers. I enjoy it immensely.
Second up is a Gunbroker buy that caught my fancy, an early 1903 32 hand ejector with a target sight conversion.
The rear sight does not number to the frame and the front sight is a simple slab of steel pinned into the modified front base. i would love to know when and who did the work as it is nicely done. Would also like to find a original style front sight for it to see it it would work.
I really don't mind the finish issues on either revolver. I see it as proof that both pieces were modified for a purpose and put to use accordingly.
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Ok,
Short Action O/D now a 44 Special
Trans. O/D now a five inch brushed nickel 44 Special
HD now a 45 Long Colt
HD now a 44 Special,
From top to bottom....Pre-27 45 Long Colt, 27 44 Special, RM bobb'd back to 3 1/2 "
27 as a 45 ACP & 45 LC,
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RM to 44 Special
Some sight treatments for some of the above revolvers,
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Here are a couple of 629-1 that started life as 8 3/8" 44 mags
This one is now a 45 Colt/ACP with a cut cylinder and 4" barrel
This one is now a 45 Colt with a 5" barrel
Here is my 45 combat. a 1917 with chopped 1950 barrel and cutdown grip frame.
And here is my Brazilian made into a 45 Colt/ACP carbine
My 455 Triplelock got reamed and recessed to 45 Colt before I got it.
I also have a 10-2 that sports a 4" barrel, round butt and recessed model 19 cylinder.
There are several shooter grade 28s in the safe and a couple 45 barrels that will be making a trip through my shop.
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Gentlemen All, a very neat thread, thanks for sharing!
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A few more oddballs
My .32 (Pre model 30) kit gun:
.455 Triple Lock with target conversion with model 1917 ACP cylinder installed and .44HE conversion by same unknown gunsmith:
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Reason: I had Colts in there, they don't belong
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Here's a modder that didn't even make sense to me when I first saw it under the glass at my LGS. On inspection, it turned out to be a .455 Second Model converted to .45 Colt with target sights (Micro) added front and rear. The recoil shield was planed to accommodate the thicker cartridge rim.
I absolutely hate the profile of the front sight. One of my plans is to modify this one so the top front corner is even more rounded, then cut a vertical face deep enough to put in a McGivern gold bead. The ramp angle on the reconfigured sight blade should match the ramp angle on the sight base. I would also like to put a U-notch leaf in the rear sight, maybe with a white outline.
The goodyears certainly don't upgrade this gun, but they contribute a kind of blackout appeal to the whole package.
This other modified gun is kind of tragic and kind of interesting at the same time. It started life as a .320 Revolving Rifle (No. 413). At some point the barrel was cut to eight inches. The barrel rib was milled off except for a short piece left as a front sight base, and the forestock was sacrificed since it was now too long for the remaining steel. Without the forestock, there was no need for the squared-off mating surface, so it was severely eased to give the front of the frame a more rounded look. The detachable shoulder stock is long gone.
The front sight base was never drilled so a proper blade could be pinned in place, but there is a badly cut slot that was probably intended to permit its installation. Putting this right is another of my long-term projects.
Here's the proof it really started as a .320 RR:
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Another cut down Victory war surplus, bought,converted and carried by FBI SA George Gillum who started out his FBI career in Rock Springs, Wyoming and after getting married in 1948, was transferred to Las Vegas where he served until he retired in 1970. He served in Nevada at the time when Las Vegas was becoming 'Vegas' with all the Mafia ties and influences. His niece, Cami Hay, from whom I acquired George's revolver described him as the "tough, silent type that no one messed with, at least more than once." He must of been pretty tough actually having served and survived in Vegas all those early years.
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Love these mods! I have a rather unusual mod. I wanted to make my 3 1/2" N frame into a pocket pistol so I had my guy shrink it by 1/3 and put a gold insert into the front sight. I was really happy with the results! Bill
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