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A 2nd model H.E. 44 special with King rib and double cockeyed hammer.
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Started out as a plain old .38 M&P. A 4" target barrel, target sights, funny looking hammer and mystery grips have been added.
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I forgot a couple:
296 with SS cyl from a 696 to replace TI cyl. It came with extractor rod and star all fitted and assembled. Pull the yoke, slip it in and check timing. It was a drop in installation. Wanted the extra strength and I barely notice the additional weight. Older style thumb piece.



Another of my son's: 686 with 4" slender Mtn Gun barrel replacing full lug barrel. See post #1 here:

Lightweight barrel L frame .357
I have an as-new 296 and was wondering what I would ever do with such a thing. Now I know thanks to Hondo - spend more money on the blame thing!! That will actually make it compatible with heavier bullets though, I bet-cha!
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Yeah, just trade him $200 or so for that hammer....
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I have an as-new 296 and was wondering what I would ever do with such a thing. Now I know thanks to Hondo - spend more money on the blame thing!! That will actually make it compatible with heavier bullets though, I bet-cha!
I do shoot heavier bullets in it than recommended, they just need a good crimp to keep from pulling under recoil. The little added weight of the SS cyl no doubt helps a bit as well.

I really disliked the look of the Ti cyl with its funny shaped flutes. And especially the manual warning about not disturbing the finish when cleaning for fear of weakening its strength!
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Love these mods! I have a rather unusual mod. I wanted to make my 3 1/2" N frame into a pocket pistol so I had my guy shrink it by 1/3 and put a gold insert into the front sight. I was really happy with the results! Bill
Seriously, what is that? An I-Frame dressed up to look like it's biggest brother N-Frame?
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Thank you Silversnake.

My son did all the work. Removing barrels from alloy frames is not as difficult as we've all heard. Bot of us have done a few and never had an issue. Just use the usual precautions and common sense:

1. The barrel was a drop in. A liberal shot of some type of quality penetrant/lubricant like Breakfree, Kroil, even WD-40 (the only legitimate use for it on guns in my opinion), etc.

2. care in driving out barrel pin so barrel threads are not upset.

3. Cautious force applied to break barrel loose to turn out. If it doesn't go, don't over apply force. Soak over night. Dry barrels will "crack" when broken loose. Soaked barrels take less force and have a much more subtle 'crack' sound indicating the penetrant makes a difference!

He glass beaded it in his home bead blasting unit with very fine compound. Otherwise the alloy can be overly pitted and worn away.
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Thank you for showing the steps.
That's far beyond my level of competence but I know a local gunsmith who does barrel work on older Smiths who could easily manage that.

My Pre-43 is far from needing a refinish at this point but its nice to know I have the option in the future, since it's one of my favorite revolvers and gets carried quite a bit in the field. The double action is super smooth, far better than the newer J-frames I've handled.

I hope your son enjoys his just as much!
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It's an N frame. See the large flat area on the side of the frame (also on the yoke on the other side) from where the extractor rod protrudes?

Short barrel and grips shortened.
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Regarding the original post. . .

Now, tell me again who invented the "Baughman Ramp."

If you recall, Roy Jinks many years ago showed a diagram that an ordinary customer wanted for a front sight on his "357" Magnum. That drawing looked almost exactly like the "Baughman Ramp" on the King Base, but unfortunately for Frank Baughman, that diagram was sent to S&W quite a long time BEFORE Mr. Baughman asked for the ramp that ultimately would bear his name.

I suppose S&W figured they would get more mileage out of a ramp named after the FBI firearms training guy. I mean, can you imagine the "Smith Ramp" or the "Jones Ramp" front sight?

Personally, I think the work done on the OD is outstanding in both craftsmanship and appearance.

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...Actually, I believe that Bill has a way cool collection of hand made miniaturized S&Ws and that mini RM is one of the coolest, 100% custom guns I've seen...
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It's an N frame. See the large flat area on the side of the frame (also on the yoke on the other side) from where the extractor rod protrudes?

Barrel and grip frame both shortened.
C'mon man, enough B.S., like I said, SERIOUSLY...

Unless it is some kind of trick photography with the little one is laying in Andre Roussimoff's hand while the N-frame is photographed in someone's normal sized hand, that isn't possible. A lot more than just the grip and barrel are shorter. I also note that the S&W brand mark is conspicuously missing.

So what is it REALLY? A hand-fabricated reduced-scale reproduction?

EDIT: OK, I see that RKmesa posted the real answer while I was replying. Thanks.

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I wanted a modern revolver in 38-40 WCF caliber so I had Bowen Classic arms punch out this Highway Patrolman to 38-40 some years ago. It's VERY accurate (even at 100 yards), and has a sort of serendipty: with the sights set at 25 yards, one complete revolution of the elevation screw will put you on target at 100 yards. Not too happy about two things: the barrel is turning plum color, and the headspace is very tight to the extent it will take factory ammunition but handloads cause very sticky cylinder rotation despite everything I can do.
Grips, incidently, are Herretts.
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C'mon man, enough B.S., like I said, SERIOUSLY...

Unless it is some kind of trick photography with the little one is laying in Andre Roussimoff's hand while the N-frame is photographed in someone's normal sized hand, that isn't possible. A lot more than just the grip and barrel are shorter. I also note that the S&W brand mark is conspicuously missing.

So what is it REALLY? A hand-fabricated reduced-scale reproduction?

EDIT: OK, I see that RKmesa posted the real answer while I was replying. Thanks.
Bracebeemer (Bill) posted "the real answer" right up front.

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BC38,just having a little fun. It's a 2/3 scale model of a 3 1/2" Registered Magnum made by the late Raymond Hutchins.It's fully functional and "Hutch " made a half dozen miniature rounds that are primed and head stamped. He also cased it with a spare "8 3/4" barrel.
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How about a modified Smith & Wesson; that was modified to look just like a different model of Smith & Wesson. My old 1917 Commercial modified to look just like a .45 Colt Ctg. 2nd Model Hand Ejector.



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Bracebeemer (Bill) posted "the real answer" right up front.
Well, no, not exactly. What he posted gave an obscure hint at that - which you were able to interpret that way because you already knew the backstory. What he said was that he had "his guy" "shrink it" and apply a different sight etc.

That would seem to imply that he was posting two pictures of the same gun (before & after) that was shrunk by some method (magic?). Obviously that isn't logically possible, hence my question.

As someone who wasn't "in on" the backstory, I asked a straight question expecting a straight answer about what it REALLY is and how it was REALLY made. Now I know.

Very cool by the way. It would almost be cooler if it were chambered for the .25 ACP or some other readily available small scale round - just so it could be shot more. I don't expect anyone will be shooting many of those hand-crafted 2/3 scale rounds. It is definitely the ultimate example of a CUSTOM gun.

Anyway, thanks for sharing it bracebeemer, and RKmesa for filling me in.

As for the little poke from you Hondo44 - you're a real joker, LOL. Almost had me going for a minute there.
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Picked this M10-6 up at a local shop. It's a Ron Power Custom with a heavy barrel, action job, custom stocks, trigger stop and a Bomar winged sight rail. Not sure as to the pedigree or complete specs as it came without any paperwork but I can say it shoots pretty darn good!
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Picked this M10-6 up at a local shop. It's a Ron Power Custom with a heavy barrel, action job, custom stocks, trigger stop and a Bomar winged sight rail. Not sure as to the pedigree or complete specs as it came without any paperwork but I can say it shoots pretty darn good!
I have a Ruger that he did, it's a fantastic gun.

The stocks are a real treat too, amazing hogues that in the case of my gun at least, is noted to have been made for Ron Power in grease pencil on the back.

I'd love to have one of his S&W modified guns, excellent gun you have there.
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This one is one of my favorites in my small collection and is actually used. I wanted a Model 18 and was cruising the auction sites using the search for S&W, then 22LR, then 4". This one came up, caught my fancy, and was mine after my bid turned out to be successful. As I recall, my bid was about what a decent Model 18 would cost, but after receipt I have grown to really like this old modification by an unknown owner. Appears all mods were done at the factory by the date stamp on the butt. I have posted it before (when I got it) but this thread give me another chance to show her off.
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Here's one more Andy Horvath custom. It's a Model 25-2 converted to .45 Colt using a Model 29 cylinder. A few of my shooting buddies spent some big money on .45 caliber Smiths just to find that accuracy with cast lead was extremely poor due to the oversize throats. Andy reamed the throats to my specs and this gun really shoots.
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Please post photos of your chopped, trimmed, scoped, and otherwise modified revolvers (even the "Bubba jobs" have a place in this thread) .

I would love your thoughts on the sight/rib and would also love to see your modified guns.

Thanks for letting me share,
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when I first saw it (front sight) all I could think was "Williams Streamlined Ramp," but that rifle ramp would have a dovetail for the interchangeable sight blade. The checkered surface is a close match to the Williams product (still made.) In any case, a well done job and stunning revolver.
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Two more examples of keith44specials handiwork.

Five inch 38/44 Outdoorsman.

5 inch Model of 1950 .45 ACP and .45 Colt.
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This is my 657 no dash. Tuned by Andy Cannon, 2X Burris in a Wilson Custom quick release mount, Millett rear sight, home installed red ramp front sight, and stock by Guy Hogue. I put this together in the mid eighties and it was my first gun to break the $1000 mark!

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Unbelievably precise work! Approximately what caliber did the 'shrunk' cartridges become?
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Well, no, not exactly. What he posted gave an obscure hint at that - which you were able to interpret that way because you already knew the backstory. What he said was that he had "his guy" "shrink it" and apply a different sight etc.

That would seem to imply that he was posting two pictures of the same gun (before & after) that was shrunk by some method (magic?). Obviously that isn't logically possible, hence my question.

As someone who wasn't "in on" the backstory, I asked a straight question expecting a straight answer about what it REALLY is and how it was REALLY made. Now I know.
No you're wrong, I had no idea of the backstory, had never seen the gun before, studied the pictures enough to see that it wasn't the same gun, and took him at his word!

I didn't know anymore than you did and wasn't ""in on" the backstory" either.

Now you know if it's not "logically possible" as you said, "shrunk" is not literal. So your "BS" comment was and is unjustified and inappropriate on this forum.
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No you're wrong, I had no idea of the backstory, had never seen the gun before, studied the pictures enough to see that it wasn't the same gun, and took him at his word!

I didn't know anymore than you did and wasn't ""in on" the backstory" either.

Now you know if it's not "logically possible as you said, "shrunk" is not literal. So your "BS" comment was and is unjustified and inappropriate on this forum.
My apologies if I offended you Jim. I thought you were pulling my leg so I was playing off that, jokingly calling your "story" B.S.

Like I said, no offense intended and my sincere apologies.

BTW, for not being in on the joke you did a heck of a lot better at figuring it out than I did. Not too surprising given your level of of experience and expertise I suppose.

I initially assumed it was a smaller gun dressed up to mimic an N-Frame, not a scratch-built N-Frame replica. The amount of work required to do that is incredible and the results are certainly very impressive.
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No worries!

The miniatures are truly incredible works of art!!
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Another cut down 38 target - this time a cut down 1905 4th change:





...not quite as nice a job on the blade as the 38/44 in the 1st post... BUT still a fun gun.




On an extra 4" M&P Patent box that is waiting for the "correct" round butt M&P:





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I do shoot heavier bullets in it than recommended, they just need a good crimp to keep from pulling under recoil. The little added weight of the SS cyl no doubt helps a bit as well.

I really disliked the look of the Ti cyl with its funny shaped flutes. And especially the manual warning about not disturbing the finish when cleaning for fear of weakening its strength!
OK Hondo - I'm on a mission now with this thing. Can you tell me where you found a 696 cylinder only? It appears that you replaced the thumb latch too. My idea is to find the cylinder (pray for drop in also) and "mirror" polish it, the latch, ejector rod, trigger (MIM-iffy) and raised S&W on the combat stock logo's.
I wish they had designed the snag-less Hammer on the hump, per. 38/49 but alas - if wishes and dreams....
Any ideas would be appreciated as always from you.
Maybe I should start a new thread for this?
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I'll have to pull them off and see what's under there! More to come...
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OK Hondo - I'm on a mission now with this thing. Can you tell me where you found a 696 cylinder only? It appears that you replaced the thumb latch too. My idea is to find the cylinder (pray for drop in also) and "mirror" polish it, the latch, ejector rod, trigger (MIM-iffy) and raised S&W on the combat stock logo's.
I wish they had designed the snag-less Hammer on the hump, per. 38/49 but alas - if wishes and dreams....
Any ideas would be appreciated as always from you.
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Cool plan!

My cylinder came from Brownells, however it was very soon after the 696 was discontinued, so at this late date, might be hard to locate. I would try Brownells, Midway, S&W, and then S&W official service ctrs. around the country. It will drop in and comes as an assembly with it's own fitted extractor star. S&W Part # 216380000, Brownells # 940-000-771.

Worst case scenario, get a current Model 69 44 Mag Cyl. The 296, 696, and 69 are all built on the same frame, the L frame and are 5 shot. The cyl may be a little longer, but that would not be a deal killer, just have the front faced off to proper length.

I did change the thumb latch to the symmetrical earlier version, I dislike the current asymmetrical version. Although they do have an advantage with using speed loaders as they were designed to be.

Hope this is helpful,
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Worst case scenario, get a current Model 69 44 Mag Cyl. The 296, 696, and 69 are all built on the same frame, the L frame and are 5 shot. The cyl may be a little longer, but that would not be a deal killer, just have the front faced off to proper length.
This was my thought, too. A few years ago I gave my 296 the same treatment Jim described and heavied it up with a 696 cylinder. I got mine from Numrich, but it was one of the last two or three cylinders they had. The gun was just too light to shoot stout .44 Special loads, and the extra weight, though not gigantic, was just enough to make the recoil tolerable.

I also put a Big Dot front sight on it. Here's what it looks like now:



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I'll have to pull them off and see what's under there! More to come...
So, I pulled the stocks off and both halves have the number 15 hand written in a whiteish crayon/marker. I also have to say these stocks fit very nice and snug!
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Three of the four "N" frames have been modified.

The top left is a M22-4 and except for th e grips it has remained stock, why mess with perfection?

The lower left is a M28-2 I converted in the 80s and the two on the right a 1917s I shortened.

I like the 45 ACP "N" frame.

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Bubba jobs can play too? Well, okay. I'm not quite finished with it yet as I've been too busy/FL has been too hot to be playing around in the garage. Work left to complete: finish fitting the sideplate (it's 95% of the way there), then try to patina it to match the rest of the gun. The cylinder will also be reamed for .45 Colt so I can shoot cowboy loads or .455 Webley. Depending on POI it may also end up wearing a Wonder Sight. Oh, and I have a cool modified hammer (kind of like a King double cock eye but not) but it needs some fitting and Kasenit.











It's comprised of parts from 3 different guns (with a few small parts swapped here and there for better fit). The frame, yoke, cylinder assembly and ejector rod are from one gun, the barrel from another (Sixgun Strumpet had one in his junk drawer and was nice enough to give it to me), and the internals and sideplate from yet another gun. Obviously this took some fitting/luck to get assembled. It now times perfectly, has ~.001 endshake and a correct cylinder gap (can't remember off the top of my head what it speced to). The front sight is from a Parker Hale converted Victory, I thought it fit the whole British theme pretty well. The grips I actually found on eBay a couple weeks ago, I had gone through a couple other pairs that I didn't think quite fit the look but I'm digging these.

edit: Oh yeah, and I picked up this old thing a couple weeks ago. Doesn't look very modified, until you look closely at the hammer and the internals.








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You gotta come back and show us that first project when it's finished!! That looks like a great project. IIRC, Iggy has a modified 45 posted somewhere on this thread that fires a number of 45 variations. That may be an increasingly cool ability whenever the next great ammo shortage occurs, and you can digest just about any 45 that you can find. By the way, what is the barrel length?

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The barrel came out to 3.25", I didn't have that in mind when I began, just chopped and trimmed until I got to a length that was aesthetically pleasing. I'm hoping to finish it up sometime around Christmas/New Years, which whould mean it only took me ~3 years to complete
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Well, I like it. You are right: that barrel length is aesthetically pleasing, at least to me. I'm one of those guys that always liked the 3 1/2" N frame .357 magnum, though, and it has very similar proportions. I think you have a real winner there, and you'll have to post it when you finally get it finished up. I would not classify this project as a "bubba" either. It looks like you have some real skills that you are employing in this modification.

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I've shared this one before but I believe it fits well into this great thread.

This is my project Smith it's still a work in progress.

I looked a long time to find the right gun for this project, one I wouldn't hurt the value or originality of. (that was already done).
If I remember correctly it came with a 6.5 barrel that was not original to the gun, and it was almost a smooth bore.

This gun had some old pitting and was re-blued before I got it, hence the blued hammer and trigger, someone added the adjustable rear sight along the way (they did a good job with it).

I purchased the 3" 24-3 barrel online and had my gunsmith put it on for me, he had to fix some cylinder movement and re-cut the forcing cone. (now it's a pinned 24-3 barrel.
I purchased a new-old non mushroom ejector from a forum member which had to be modified.
I added the stocks (off ebay) and a Tyler T that I already had, then I found a lanyard, I was lucky that the pin to hold the lanyard was still in the gun.

I mentioned that it's a work in progress, I'm not happy with the abrupt top line of the barrel/frame match up, this will be addressed in the future as well as removing the blueing from the hammer and trigger (Hondo44 gave me some advice of how to do that).
I'll finish this project someday but my list of what I want to do, changes with time.
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Here's a .44HE 3rd Model transitional that was shortened. Pretty decent job too. The number matching stocks have notches for a grip adapter. The holster is a custom without a maker's mark.



This is my dream gun. I just haven't found one modified or an original in the condition to be used as a base. One of these days
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HD now a 44 Special,


Dave, I would really like to see more pics of this gun. I looks just like something I would love to have
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I wanted a modern revolver in 38-40 WCF caliber so I had Bowen Classic arms punch out this Highway Patrolman to 38-40 some years ago. It's VERY accurate (even at 100 yards), and has a sort of serendipty: with the sights set at 25 yards, one complete revolution of the elevation screw will put you on target at 100 yards. Not too happy about two things: the barrel is turning plum color, and the headspace is very tight to the extent it will take factory ammunition but handloads cause very sticky cylinder rotation despite everything I can do.
Grips, incidently, are Herretts.

Warm loads in 38-40 and 44-40 are known for that. The tapered cases have a tendency to back up just enough to drag. Cool gun,I like 38-40 a lot.

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I've shown this before, but here goes. My Model 624 that I installed and fit a Model 29 barrel on, and then had the gun hard chromed.
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While not anywhere near as extreme as some of the beautiful examples of how folks think their guns SHOULD be, my 629-3 started like this when I bought it and ended up like that when I finished with it. I find the 4" balance and feel to be just grand.

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This is a post WW 2 1917 model commercial. The front sight has been modified and backstrap grooved.



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I can join the 1917 commercial modified line also. Sights by who knows?
Postwar one of 998 or thereabouts. It is well sighted in at 50ft.

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Somebody round-butted my recently acquired 15-3 back in the day!

They did a pretty good job, though. Feels really good in the hand. Hope to get 'er to the range before the snow flies ...
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Beautiful revolvers all of them. In about a 100 years there is going to be a lot of head scratching going on when we are all dust. S&W collectors are going to have fits trying to figure out what was what. Thanks for sharing and as I said beautiful revolvers all of them. Frank
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This is MY favorite thread on the Forum!!!!!!!!!
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