I am currently watching a first generation Star Trek episode on BBC. Kirk and Spock are in an Air Force base in the 1960's. The guards are carrying what appear to be model 1917 revolvers (OK), but with stag grips(?).

Yeah I remember that episode
they traveled back in time to the present 1960's day

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"Tomorrow Is Yesterday" is a first season episode of the original science fiction television series, Star Trek. It is episode #19, production #21, first broadcast on 26 January 1967, repeated 13 July 1967,

OK... for the bonus round, the was an episode where they are on a planet where thoughts are turned into reality, turns out to be an "amusement planet" of sorts, and Captain Happy Pants gets to be together again with Ruth, who I'm not sure who she exactly was to him... a previous (maybe deceased) wife?

Sulu an avid antique arms collector thinks about and gets a "police special" revolver, and proceeds to get trigger happy with it, much to the distress of Kirk. Anyone remember what it was? I don't....

Edit: Here's the answer it and the other firearms used in the series - Star Trek: The Original Series - Internet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video Games

Star Trek's creator, Gene Roddenberry, was ex-LAPD and also a stickler for detail and accuracy... it wouldn't surprise me that the stag gripped S&W's in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" was deliberate and attributed to some little known instance that he knew about. He was fond of sticking in elements like that in the series.

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They look a little more like Model 10/Victory than 1917s to me.

I seem to recall that during the LeMay era, SAC Air Police (at least at Offut) were pimped out with nickel plated faux-stag gripped revolvers, presumably Combat Masterpieces. This memory does not come from direct observation, but from a life wasted absorbing firearms and military trivia. Hopefully some with firsthand experience will add their comments.

On another issue, looking at the initial photo, why is it that every actor in Hollywood thinks military berets are meant to be worn like showercaps?

Tomorrow is yesterday, in the airforce base, I thought those were M&Ps. Shore leave I thought that was a colt police positive.

I worked at SAC Hq for two tours in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Yes the EG's (Elite Guards) had stag grips, berets, and blue web belts with large chrome buckles with the SAC shield on it. They were a fairly elite group and held in a degree of awe by us mere mortals - no sarcasm intended.

An old friend joined the Air Force Security Police to avoid being drafted into an inhospitable damp jungle. He arrested shoplifters at the commissary, worked long boring shifts as a "ramp rat" guarding B-52s, and twirled Springfield 1903s in parades and in honor guards. They carried 4" Model 15s with faux stag stocks. I do not recall or he did not mention nickel plating or feeling especially "elite" while at SAC headquarters.

While the use of faux stag on the TV revolvers is based more on reality than the rest of the series those black holsters look long enough for 6" barrels. I do not know what revolvers are in them.

I think that's a SAC crest on the beret. The beret is not worn properly; that's true. Note the cop's badge above his gun butt. The Lt. Col. bending over Kirk is at an angle where the badge doesn't show.


The real SAC Elite Guard guns were originally Victory Models that the USAF had nickel plated. Later, the Model 15 Combat Masterpiece was used, but I'm not sure they were nickeled. The M-15 was the std. USAF sidearm then, but most of us got the normal blued ones. Due to shortages, we got a lot of Victory Models from the Navy until enough Model15's were available.


The holsters do look large enough for M-1917's, but none were in use by the US armed forces then. The SAC holsters were worn crossdraw, but weren't this style.


This was my career field and when I saw that episode, I was offended by the SAC Air Police being made to seem stupid.


They introduced the blue beret, but by about 1967, it was authorized for all Air Police units, later called Security Forces.


Joining the AF did not automatically protect one from service in Vietnam. We were the career field that did both normal law enforcement and also were responsible for base defense. The most noted example of the latter was the defense of Ton Son Nhut Air Base during the Tet offensive of 1968. There is a well known photo of AP's fighting off Viet Cong or NVA forces then. If you look about midway down the firing line, one airman is down, maybe dead. I'd appreciate it if someone will post that photo.


During the Viet war, there were specialty Combat Air Police units that weren't content to just protect the base perimeters. They went out in the jungle and tried to locate and kill enemy forces before they could assault a base. Author Leroy Thompson was an officer who led such troops. Maybe he'll comment here. I think he's a member, although he seldom posts.

I am not very experienced with you tube but could not find this Star Trek episode there. I'm hopping one of you can offer help or a link.

The Shore Leave revolver is a 6" M&P, IFMDB notwithstanding. The episode came on BBC America last night and I freeze-framed a shot of the gun laying on the ground. Clearly magna grips and an S&W cylinder release.


Yup. Standard 9-shot Police Special.

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I remember the episode and it was definitely an S&W revolver.
Jim

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The SAC Elite Guard carried revolvers in cross draw holsters.
They only guarded SAC HQ and associated duties, not the entire base.
The first time I went up there I think they were carrying plated M & Ps.
Later they carried plated CMs.
From my observations, I thought the grips were Stag, especially later on the CMs.

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^^^ IMFDB = Internet Movie Firearms Database. It has been around a long time. I seem to recall when I first started using the internet more actively, after Windows 95 came out, it was a comprehensive source even back then. Miss my old x386 and the fast internet speek of 18 Kbps......could get coffee or cereal and come back and wait for your page to load. But I digress....

My parents were (and still are) big Trekkies. I recall the episode from memory and it was a S&W MP five screw.

A lot of the old Star Trek movies are on Netflix right now, if interested. Back to our regularly scheduled programming...

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