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Please help me to identfy my gun
Smith&Wesson
Hand Ejector
No Model Number
Serial Number 959457
Cal. 38 spec (I didntīt find it on the gun)
Barrel Lengt 70 mm
adjustable sights
Strain Screw
Butt Swivel
5 screw
Script on the right side: Made in U.S.A. HEGE or HEGF
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02-22-2017, 04:42 PM
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It's a converted and re-finished pre-Victory M&P. I can't tell you a great deal about it, but I have not previously seen a conversion done in that way. The sights which have been added are unusual. It may well have been a .38/200 British Service Revolver in .38 S&W, and very possibly re-chambered to .38 Special. The grips are of the full-checkered type as used by one of the better British conversion shops, Cogswell & Harrison. I have no idea what the "HEGE" stamp on the frame means. The SN would date its original shipment to around April 1942. Unusual, but being a modification, it has no collector value, valued only as a shooter. It is a bit unusual in that it does not have the typical British proof stampings.
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02-22-2017, 06:15 PM
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Does look pretty cool with the 2 3/4" barrel though!
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02-22-2017, 06:53 PM
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Nothing to add to DWalt's analysis, except that I also think the grips look like Cogswell & Harrison's style. And I could venture a guess that the HEGE stamp refers to the German surplus and antique arms dealer Waffen-HEGE, formerly of Schwäbisch Hall, now located in Messkirch, whose stamp has been found on German-police Victory models (see attached snip). If this was the path that this gun took, it would explain the absence of British commercial proofs, but there should be some German ones (frequently less obvious than the British ones were).
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02-22-2017, 07:15 PM
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Here's the left side of my Victory with the various German proofs along with the HEGE importer's stamp. The proofs are the German Federal Eagle (barrel, frame, and cylinder) along with the "N" nitro stamp, 65 along with the Ulm Proof House's stag horn indicates the revolver passed through Ulm in 1965.
When I enhanced the OP's Victory it appeared that there were marks on the frame between the barrel and cylinder, but I couldn't make them out.
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02-22-2017, 09:08 PM
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I really dig those stocks.
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02-22-2017, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by two-bit cowboy
Here's the left side of my Victory with the various German proofs along with the HEGE importer's stamp. The proofs are the German Federal Eagle (barrel, frame, and cylinder) along with the "N" nitro stamp, 65 along with the Ulm Proof House's stag horn indicates the revolver passed through Ulm in 1965.
When I enhanced the OP's Victory it appeared that there were marks on the frame between the barrel and cylinder, but I couldn't make them out.
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I was remembering yours when I posted, because I'm not sure where I copied that photo of the HEGE stamp a while ago. But from the underlying pattern of rounds, that was a different gun.
I noticed what I think you're referring to on the frame, but can't figure out whether those are just finish irregularities or markings.
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02-23-2017, 05:47 AM
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Second Barrel
I found this barrel with the same Serial Number
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If that barrel has a serial number on the flat that matches your frame, it confirms that your revolver was originally a BSR, as suspected. It has had a barrel swap, which we knew already. That's nice to have!
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I found this barrel with the same Serial Number
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That is very neat and highly unusual; it was much more common on these, because of their low value back then, to just shorten and modify the existing barrel. Acquiring a separate barrel and hanging on to the original is something I haven't encountered yet on a BSR.
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02-23-2017, 01:00 PM
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Here again, in the fourth image, I see what appears to be some sort of proof mark about an inch to the right of the "N" in Smith & Wessson. It doesn't appear resemble any of the known German proof marks.
Would be nice to get close-up photos of the left side of the barrel and frame.
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The investigative reporter in me is active. The OP says the caliber is "38 spec" but "(I didntīt find it on the gun)". So I'm guessing the OP knows that a .38 Special cartridge will go all the way into the cylinder, suggesting if it's the original cylinder it's been bored out to accommodate the longer case. The serial numbered barrel clearly says, "38 S&W CTG."
Inquiring minds want to know....
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02-27-2017, 04:58 AM
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Thanks for all your good informations
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Second S&W
This is my second S&W:
Hand Ejector
Mod. 14-1
Ser.N. K4 54519
Cal. 38 special
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The second one appears to be a standard K-38 Masterpiece, with the exception of the Target stocks, from 1961. The 14-1 was only made for about 2 years so is somewhat scarce.
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