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Old 04-04-2017, 10:02 PM
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Well bought a nice gun last week and these were on it.

Curious who might have made these and what the panels symbolize. I got some input on the eagle but would like to confirm and know what the other side symbolizes.

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Hope to post what it came on down soon but am waiting on the factory letter.
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I think one grip symbolizes the Mexican eagle and snake motif.


The idea is that the early Aztecs saw an eagle eating a snake on an island and their priests figured that this meant that they should build Tenochtitlan there.


By the time of the Spanish Conquest, that city was as large or larger than Venice.


This is not well understood by modern PC academics who deride Cortes for taking the country for Spain. It was actually one of the most amazing military feats of all time.


Some say the bird was not a real eagle, but another raptor called a caracara.


Don't know about the other grip. But it probably has signifigance in Mexico.

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Old 04-04-2017, 10:25 PM
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Beautiful grips. I am envious. Just WOW!
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Old 04-05-2017, 08:21 AM
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The current coat of arms of Mexico (Spanish: Escudo Nacional de México, literally "national shield of Mexico") has been an important symbol of Mexican politics and culture for centuries. The coat of arms depicts a Mexican golden eagle perched on a prickly pear cactus devouring a rattlesnake.
Look at Mexico's flag.
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:58 AM
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Rich I know nothing about those but I do like!
I'm waiting to see what they were on.
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Old 04-05-2017, 10:10 AM
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wow...well someone was very skilled and those are very well made...great find...
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Old 04-05-2017, 10:40 AM
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Could the left panel engraving be a 4 leaf clover?
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Four leaf clover is what I see. Maybe Irish/Catholic influence.
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Those were custom made for Poncho O'Riley.
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Should that be Pancho O'Riley /O'Reilly? But we had an all-you-can-eat Mexican restaurant here years ago that I think was called Poncho's...


The rectangles with a dot in them on the grip mean something.


Don't the Irish think a four-leaf clover brings good luck? I thought the rectangles might represent dice, but they show only one dot, not a good sign in rolling dice, I've heard. (I don't gamble.)


Might this mean the owner asks for good luck in rolling dice?


But the objects are too rectangular to be dice.


This may well have more personal significance than it has Mexican national origins.


Where's a Mexican member? Artilleria de Villa? Are you there?
Can you read this and comment?


Like others, I want to know which gun these were on, and if they fit that frame well, as if fitted to that gun originally.

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There's a pattern. I think the panel reads, 3 4 5 from top to bottom. The denticular engraving is 3 on top and 5 on bottom. The 4 leaf clover is in between. May be coincidence, but...

tres, quatro, cinco
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There's a pattern. I think the panel reads, 3 4 5 from top to bottom. The denticular engraving is 3 on top and 5 on bottom. The 4 leaf clover is in between. May be coincidence, but...

tres, quatro, cinco

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You may have something there. And the dots on top have the dot placed high in the rectangle. On the bottom, the dot is low in the frame. Probably not coincidence.
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16 dots. Maybe Angel Numbers?
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16 dots. Maybe Angel Numbers?

What's an Angel number? Does Victoria's Secret assign numbers to their models?


(My computer won't access Smilies here, so no Laughing Face.)


Seriously, what's an Angel Number?
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I'm not sold on it being a Mexican eagle. I have seen that motif a lot through the years, and something seems off from the standard. The off side looks almost Celtic.


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I would concur with the panel with the mexican symbolism, and venture a guess on the other, looks like a 4 leaf clover. When the great Irish immigration came to the US (my grandfather came in 1912) many Irish went to Mexico. I would also be interested in what the letter tells you. Fantastic workmanship, and I don't like ivory's but I would love to have those.
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Like others, I want to know which gun these were on, and if they fit that frame well, as if fitted to that gun originally.[/QUOTE]




Interesting ideas. The Mexican eagle has been brought up to me from a few members.
The cactus below the eagle is also in some pics i found of that eagle. Its likely but i think understanding the other side is the key.

At first glance i thought 4 leaf clover and even a chrysanthemum was mentioned from another. But the more I look at it I wonder if it could have a Mayan theme or something south of the border.

It came on a like new gun from the thirties and fits perfect in every way. Was told it came from a California estate.
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I'm not sold on it being a Mexican eagle. I have seen that motif a lot through the years, and something seems off from the standard. The off side looks almost Celtic.


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Good comment, but it doesn't explain the prickly pear cactus which appears in the ivory grips.
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Good comment, but it doesn't explain the prickly pear cactus which appears in the ivory grips.
I'm not convinced it's prickly pear. Sorry, just my thoughts.

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Rich I'd probably check Mayan symbols or send the picture to someone who knows them.
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Or it could be a Brown Snake Eagle found in West, East and Southern Africa.
Brown snake eagle - Wikipedia

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Center left stock Mayan K'in glyph for sun.

Three dots at top could be tres, but cinco is represented by a horizontal bar.

So much for my 10 minutes of Google edgeymucation. Next!



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