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Interested in this revolver. Seller is 100 miles away, so can't physically handle it. Lockup is tight, not original stocks, s/n S1164xx, blue is 95%+. Seller says barrel is 5.5 inches, but looks like 6.5 to me. He's asking $800. Is this in-line?




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Old 04-11-2017, 05:18 AM
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If its original finish its a steal.If it's refinished-not bad.
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Yes, what arjay said. It has both target hammer and trigger. The target trigger came after that s/n so it's been added.

Ask if there's a star following the serial # on the butt or a date stamped on the left side grip frame under the stock.

There's no wear at all except a faint cyl line, likely a refinish, but a darn good one. The front sight and base should be shiny blue; that matte finish came later. Looks too black for a factory blue of that s/n period.
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Sure looks good to me. Eyeballing it, I would say the barrel is 6.5 inches. Tell him to measure from the face of the cylinder to the muzzle.

Bottom line: it's worth the drive, unless maybe you're a die-hard collector, then the refinish issue would be paramount.
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Gonna go get it this weekend.


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I paid $800 for a 25-2 6 years ago, and yes it should be a 6 1/2" barrel.
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Grab it! You'll love it.
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A few weeks ago I bought a really nice 1955 with butt ugly Pachmayrs on it for $850, and couldn't be happier
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If the serial number is S1164XX the revolver cannot be a 1955 45 Target. It could be a 1950 45 Target with a heavy barrel, TT, and TH added to transform it into that model.

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If the serial number is S1164XX the revolver cannot be a 1955 45 Target. It could be a 1950 45 Target with a heavy barrel, TT, and TH added to transform it into that model.

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That is indeed interesting. What little bit I have been able to gather about the 1950 45 Target is that the main difference between it and the 1955 is that the 1955 had a heavier barrel. Are there any other significant differences? Do you think someone was trying to make a 1955 out of a 1950 by adding the TT and TH? Could it explain the matte front sight as opposed to the shiny front sight of the 1955? What date of manufacture is associated with the serial #?

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Yes, what arjay said. It has both target hammer and trigger.

Ask if there's a star following the serial # on the butt or a date stamped on the left side grip frame under the stock.

There's no wear at all except a faint cyl line, could be a refinish, but a darn good one. The front sight and base should be shiny blue, that matte finish came later. Looks too black for a factory blue of that s/n period.
What would those signify?
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Just saw the same revolver sell at auction this weekend for $940 after adding the "juice". Only about 300 separate the two serial number wise. I am pretty sure the one at auction had been refinished as well.

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If the serial number is S1164XX the revolver cannot be a 1955 45 Target. It could be a 1950 45 Target with a heavy barrel, TT, and TH added to transform it into that model.

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Got him to send me a pic of the barrel markings. Says "1955". Could have been re-barreled.




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Even if it turns out to be a frankenstein build revolver it's still a vg price for an old 45 wheel gun.

My pre 25 5 screw Model of 1955 is S130745 and the lowest serial I've seen posted for this model

It has matching serial numbers on the butt,rear cylinder face and inside the barrel shroud.The assembly number in the yoke matches the number on the inside of the side plate.

It has a .500" Target Hammer,.500" Target Trigger and unrelieved Diamond Target Stocks.

The barrel is 6.5" long,has an adjustable rear sight and patridge style front sight blade that's .224" in height.
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Should the serial number inside the ejector shroud match the frame, or is it just an assembly number? Looks like it was re-barreled to me.




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The serial number in the extractor rod shroud, on rear surface of the cylinder, and bottom of the grip frame should all match. I think you have answered the question about the revolver being re-barreled.

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Now this is interesting. The number on the cylinder seems to match the barrel, but not the frame.




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Are you looking at the serial number on the BUTT of the revolver? The number stamped on the frame behind the yoke is an assembly number.

You have to remove the grips to see the SN.
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Are you looking at the serial number on the BUTT of the revolver? The number stamped on the frame behind the yoke is an assembly number.

You have to remove the grips to see the SN.
It was on the butt
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Is it possible the weapon didn't start out as a pre 25 but some other N-frame?
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Is it possible the weapon didn't start out as a pre 25 but some other N-frame?
That would make sense. It could have been a HD Outdoorsman or a .44 Special 1950 Target. If it had been a .45 1950 Target, there would have been no need to change cylinders.

BTW, a pre M26 would have been the .45 1950 Target.
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With the barrel and cylinder changed, the revolver must have originally been in a caliber other than .45 ACP. I think Muley Gil is correct about the gun being a .38/44 Outdoorsman. The revolver shown below was rebuilt by S&W in 1955 to a 1955 45 Target starting with a 1950 45 Target that was shipped to Remington Arms. They returned the gun to S&W and asked for the rebuild. All of the numbers on the various parts match (barrel, cylinder, yoke, and grip frame).

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I acquired this revolver yesterday. All numbers match and it has original bluing. A little wear at the muzzle and back strap. Shoots like a dream.
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I acquired this revolver yesterday. All numbers match and it has original bluing. A little wear at the muzzle and back strap. Shoots like a dream.
Are you talking about the revolver in P8riot's Original Post? Or am I missing something here?
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Yes - The one in p8riot"s post.
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Moedot, Please tell us what the matching serial number is. It is obvious that upon magnification the numbers on the face of the cylinder and in the ejector rod shroud do not begin with 116.
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S 166xxx Is in all three places. There is no 116.
I never have figured where all the confusion came from. I think the previous owner was looking at an assembly number on the frame which happened to be a good number for a M1917. You need pretty good light to read the ser.#'s correctly. I hope this clears it up.
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Just the wrong serial number as I suspected. You got a screaming good deal by the way.
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had to go back and read your regional homes, like it's a southside VA thing. Oh yea, I am southside, you all are south central and southwest.

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What would those signify?
Nothing now that we know the correct serial # on the frame is S 166453.

The barrel and target trigger would not be correct for a 116XXX vintage gun, but both are original for an S 166453 vintage.
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S 166xxx Is in all three places. There is no 116.
I never have figured where all the confusion came from. I think the previous owner was looking at an assembly number on the frame which happened to be a good number for a M1917. You need pretty good light to read he ser. #'s correctly. I hope this clears it up.
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And Congrats!!

That vintage likely the 6 matching serial # locations for fixed sight pre war Hand Ejectors and all fixed and target post war Hand Ejectors thru ~1956 and a few as much as 3 years later.

1. Gun butt - or fore strap on I frames/single shots with grips that cover the butt

2. Barrel - bottom of barrel or in extractor shroud

3. Yoke - on rear face only visible thru a chamber with a flashlight

4. Extractor star - backside

5. Cylinder - rear face

6. Right stock only - on back; stamped, scratched or penciled depending on vintage and stock material. (except most post war target grips because individual fitting not required.)


Must have been just a typo or a mis-reading of the correct serial #.

I don't think the 116XXX can be the assembly # either, one too many digits for an assembly #, they've always been a maximum of 5 digits.

I'm curious if that's right, what is the assembly # in the yoke if you don't mind?
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S 166xxx Is in all three places. There is no 116.
I never have figured where all the confusion came from. I think the previous owner was looking at an assembly number on the frame which happened to be a good number for a M1917. You need pretty good light to read the ser.#'s correctly. I hope this clears it up.


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I knew the 116xxx was not an assembly number. The previous owner thought the assembly number (78506) was the serial number until I got him to remove the grips. 78506 would work for a 1917 frame so I thought this could have been cobbled together at first.
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