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Gents, I just bought a 1905 4th gen 38spl I would like help to date it.The serial #starts with 893xxx there are no letters the serial #is also on the cylinder .Any help would be greatly appreciated.Unfortunately I can't seen to post photos on this thread I tried but it wouldn't work.
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Welcome to the forums from the Wiregrass! Are you certain it is chambered for .38 Special? Does it say that on the right side of the barrel. The reason I ask is S&W was making a lot of .38 British Service Revolvers chambered for .38 S&W in the same serial number range as your gun. We don't see many .38 Specials.

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Welcome to the Forum.

Your revolver dates to about the early '40s. At this point in time, it was referred to as a .38 Military & Police.
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Late 1941/early 1942. By that serial and time, almost certainly a gov't-contract "pre-Victory" with lanyard swivel (or a plugged hole for it).
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I'll try to post the pic,they might be to big I'll try to reduce them.
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Welcome to the forums from the Wiregrass! Are you certain it is chambered for .38 Special? Does it say that on the right side of the barrel. The reason I ask is S&W was making a lot of .38 British Service Revolvers chambered for .38 S&W in the same serial number range as your gun. We don't see many .38 Specials.

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I'll try to make the pics smaller,I took them with my cell phone.
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I'll try to make the pics smaller,I took them with my cell phone.
If you took them with a smartphone like an i-phone, no resizing should be necessary. The attachment procedure should work right from the phone as described. I attach I-phone 6 photos straight from the camera all the time. You may just have to give the attachments some time to load.
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If you use the forum app, Tapatalk, it automatically resizes so the forum will accept the picture. It will also host the picture on its site just like Flickr or Photobucket. That will allow more than 5 pictures per post versus making them attachments. Most smartphones come with photo editing apps. Squizz should be able to resize his pictures with an editing app if he is accessing the forum and attempting to upload through a browser.
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If all you are interested in is dating it, it most likely shipped in the early few months of 1942, likely manufactured in late 1941. If for some reason you require a precise shipping date, it will cost you $75 for a factory letter to find out.
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I own 802544 that shipped 7/1941 and is a .38 S&W special with a lanyard ring and according to Roy Jinks is not a military gun.
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I own 802544 that shipped 7/1941 and is a .38 S&W special with a lanyard ring and according to Roy Jinks is not a military gun.
Not exactly a unicorn, but definitely a white rhino. Did you not get it lettered and Roy just told you with the ship date? I'd still expect it to have gone to a public entity, police agency, security dept. or somesuch. I don't think S&W ever put lanyard swivels on standard retail-destined guns without them being special-ordered as such.
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Gents, I just bought a 1905 4th gen 38spl I would like help to date it.The serial #starts with 893xxx there are no letters the serial #is also on the cylinder .Any help would be greatly appreciated.Unfortunately I can't seen to post photos on this thread I tried but it wouldn't work.
I can put you in brackets; s/n 858427 shipped in Nov 41 and s/n 907385 shipped in Feb 42.
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I tried a number of times to post pic but had no success..sorry
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Welcome to the forums from the Wiregrass! Are you certain it is chambered for .38 Special? Does it say that on the right side of the barrel. The reason I ask is S&W was making a lot of .38 British Service Revolvers chambered for .38 S&W in the same serial number range as your gun. We don't see many .38 Specials.

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On the right side of the barrel it says 38 S.&W.SPECIAL CTG
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Go to postimage.io and click on "choose images". Then find the image you want to post, hilite it and click open (at the bottom right), then click on the line that says, "hotlink for forums" (you will see a little black box that reads "copied", come back to your posting box and right click and hit paste. Voila.

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Okay. Here are Steve's pictures of his pre-Victory.
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Okay. Here are Steve's pictures of his pre-Victory.
Nice. As far as I can tell, original finish, .38 Special, lanyard. The only thing non-original are the stocks, which are post-1968.

So given the serial/time frame, and the absence of ordnance markings on the butt, it most likely went to a civilian agency like maybe a police department.
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I can get you a little closer. This is s/n 877679 and it shipped in Dec 1941. It was blue when it shipped.

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Nice. As far as I can tell, original finish, .38 Special, lanyard. The only thing non-original are the stocks, which are post-1968.

So given the serial/time frame, and the absence of ordnance markings on the butt, it most likely went to a civilian agency like maybe a police department.
I know the grips are wrong what would the look like as I want to get the proper grips.
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Steve, you will probably need an historian's letter to know exactly which set of stocks the gun was shipped with. I suspect round top, checkered, diamond service stocks with a silver medallion. But, it could have shipped with the smooth round top military stocks.
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As Guy says, both are a possibility, so a definite answer comes down to a letter. Your serial falls into the transitional time period. During most of 1941 the small service stocks with medallion were still used. I seem to remember, but am not sure, that we've had pre-Victorys here with serial lower than 89xxxx that already had smooth stocks (with matching numbers). DWalt may have noted that in his database.
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As Guy says, both are a possibility, so a definite answer comes down to a letter. Your serial falls into the transitional time period. During most of 1941 the small service stocks with medallion were still used. I seem to remember, but am not sure, that we've had pre-Victorys here with serial lower than 89xxxx that already had smooth stocks (with matching numbers). DWalt may have noted that in his database.
Thanks for the pics and info.I'm not looking for the original grips that were originally on the gun just something close,the guy at the gun shop was reading what type could've been on it and it said checkered diamond type.
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Personally, I'd presume the checkered, diamond round top with medallion. Simply because they are much prettier than the military grips. Now, good luck finding some...
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I can put you in brackets; s/n 858427 shipped in Nov 41 and s/n 907385 shipped in Feb 42.
My guess would have been very late in the 1905, 4th change SN range, just before the Victory serial number. Many of these higher numbers were already going over seas or being stock-piled thanks to FDR.
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