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Entering the Realm of the unknown custom stocks
Most that know me here know I just love grips.
These are from a member here who I need to take better care of.
They have some rather different/distinct features.
The dual offset palm swell.
The enclosed backstrap.
The checkering pattern and that cool little thumb spot.
That right hand shelf actually perfectly aligns your trigger finger see picture 3
I can't wait to try them on the range.
The reach is a bit long for me but you never know until you try them.
Pictures and any thoughts you may have
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Nice but not my type of grips for target shooting.
Hey, every one has there preferences.
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Nice but not my type of grips for target shooting.
Hey, every one has there preferences.
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I never know until I actually try them.
I never could shoot well with a thumbrest set until I found one that was extra small and voilla it was a night and day difference
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The different/distinct feature that jumped out at me (to no avail) is what I'll call the double diamond treatment (including the inlay aspect). A little voice told me I'd seen it before---that it was the maker's trademark---and then---nothing.
I mention it in the hope someone else's little voice might tell mine-----and you.
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Lovely grips. What do they fit?
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Lovely grips. What do they fit?
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Thanks
A K frame smith
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With the long diamond look and the checkering,I am getting a prewar vibe.
Is there a inlet for a domed side plate screw?
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I see a bullseye stock made for competing single action. The "thumb spot" is a place to rest your thumb with it still pointing nearly up ready to swing over to the hammer spur. Extending the trigger reach a little is not so objectionable for competitors who do not use double action. Also covering most of the grip area with a surface that has good friction is gospel in the sport.
However, maybe I'm just seeing what I want it to be. I have not seen either the double diamond design or the exact shape before.
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With the long diamond look and the checkering,I am getting a prewar vibe.
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I share your vibe----like 99.9%!
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With the long diamond look and the checkering,I am getting a prewar vibe.
Is there a inlet for a domed side plate screw?
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Yes there is Rich.
It actually shows in picture 4
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Thanks for sharing those gorgeous stocks.
I have a mid-'50s pair of magnas with a nicely done thumb spot (never knew it had a proper name), and I really appreciate the feel. Your stocks look like the feel I get when donning a pair of rich leather gloves -- everything in its place.
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They look vaguely Sanderson-ish to me... are there any markings or distinctive cuts on the INSIDES of the grips?
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They look vaguely Sanderson-ish to me... are there any markings or distinctive cuts on the INSIDES of the grips?
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The checkering going to the edges seemed to rule out Sanderson to me but I'm still a rookie trying to learn.
I do think picturing the insides may be helpful to someone more advanced.
Someone definitely wrote the S&W K at some point in time.
Someone with better eyes may be able to make out more.
I can "almost" make out what I think are some price numbers but I get frustrated with myself trying to do so.
I also included one of the Brass inlays which I find quite interesting.....maybe they are gold.... : )....lol
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Very nice grips Paul . . . very nice!
The only maker of grips (that I've seen) with the square inlet cut where the stock alignment circle would be is fitz.
The fitz company was established in 1919 but didn't gain much acclaim until after their Accu-Riser patents in the early 1920s. And Paul "fitz" Jones has reported the use of exotic wood, including Cherry, in his grips.
For what it's worth,
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Russ I've seen a few of the Fitz wooden stocks that look very similar to the S&W target ones. I think it may be worth taking a look at the checkering pattern on them.
It would be quite fitting if it was Paul "fitz" Jones
considering what my name is
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I see a bullseye stock made for competing single action. The "thumb spot" is a place to rest your thumb with it still pointing nearly up ready to swing over to the hammer spur. Extending the trigger reach a little is not so objectionable for competitors who do not use double action. Also covering most of the grip area with a surface that has good friction is gospel in the sport.
However, maybe I'm just seeing what I want it to be. I have not seen either the double diamond design or the exact shape before.
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You may very well be right.
I was having some fitment issues which are now resolved.
The reach isn't nearly as bad as I had thought.
Degree of difficulty for the shot was at least a 9 for me.
With the most difficult part hitting the picture button instead of the off one.
A few not so kind words were exchanged between me and the camera.
I apologized to it afterward.
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Russ I've seen a few of the Fitz wooden stocks that look very similar to the S&W target ones. I think it may be worth taking a look at the checkering pattern on them . . .
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Here is a 2014 thread on fitz grips with some good examples for comparison.
Question about Fitz walnut grips
Unfortunately, I don't see much resemblance in the checkering but suspect it may be more the result of hand checkering on pre-war examples such as yours . . . and possibly machine checkered post-war examples that most of us posted.
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Russ I've been looking at several of the Fitz wooden threads.
DB's picture in the one you just posted.....does have an enclosed back strap.
The right hand overhang looks very similar on many sets I've been looking at also. I think the key to trying to determine may lie in the trigger guard area.
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The inner surfaces don't look like Sanderson work, and the number markings are not like what I would expect there either, so I withdraw my WAG.
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They look like a nice set of homemade grips. The straight cut lacking any stock circle is where most start, not understanding the importance of the circle in fit. Can also see the mainspring outline and the scribed line for hole location, my guess is being new to it he was making darn sure he got it in the right place. Just guesses on my part based on my own learning curve. They look to have some age to them. A half century ago many more people had the basic skills to do this sort of hand work, less so now. There were dozens of small makers from maybe the 30s on, most stayed at it only a few years. I've tried to chase down a few with little success. Nice old lumber regardless.
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"The straight cut lacking any stock circle-------not understanding the importance of the circle in fit."
Well, there you have it!! Some folks got it---and some folks ain't! As much as I hate to admit it, that blew right by me---and I know better. It would appear some folks know better a damn sight more than I do----or at least they pay attention---and see with their brain, and not just with their eyes.
My compliments to the chef!!
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I definitely value what Keith had to say about them.
Especially so on the vintage.
As someone who's studied stocks thoroughly.
I would like to hear about what he thinks of the trigger guard area compared to Fitz.
I'm still up in the air on possibly early Fitz.
His are known to have that type of cutout and the enclosed back strap would negate
A lot of the fit issues.
I still have a lot of studying to do.
Most likely fruitless.
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Anyone hazzard a guess on these ? The fit a Colt New Service.
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