I have a old hand enjector with a 4 didgit serial number 23XX. It has 5 screws, 6 1/2 " barrel and fixed sights. It has 44 S & W Special Ctg on the left side of the barrel and 2lines on the top of the barrel with the name and address and 6 patent dates the last being Feb 6,06. I would like to know the model number and value. Any help would be appreciated!

They didn't have model numbers in those days, guns had names.
.44 Hand Ejector. After there was a Second Model, it became known as the First Model. Also Triple Lock.
SCSW says yours was made in 1909.
Dollar value depends on condition and originality. Got pictures?

Thanks for your quick reply Jim. I will try a post a picture in the next few days. I am using a apple iPhone and will have to dig out my camera and laptop. I thank aple for my spelling of model,

Welcome to the forum.

That's a great gun for your first thread!

TL history
The .44 Triple Lock (especially a target model) is one of the Holy Grail S&Ws and very first N frame (large size) Hand Ejector and .44 special Revolver! Officially it's a 1908 Military - New Century". It was introduced in 1908 along with the brand new .44 S&W Special cartridge. It has the unique feature of a third cyl lock in front of the cylinder, a feature not seen before or since, which gave it the collector nick name of Triple Lock. This revolver is the pinnacle of S&W engineering design and craftsmanship. Only 15,375 were made, estimated 10 % of these, were Target Models, most chambered in .44 Spl and a few in other calibers: 38-40, 44-40, 44 Russian, 1503 455s, and 45 Colt (only 23 made in 45 Colt according to Roy Jinks) until discontinued in 1915

The three locks are under the barrel in the extractor rod shroud, back of the cyl, and the 3rd lock, hence the nickname "Triple Lock", in the yoke at the front of the cyl. They all release simultaneously with a push of the cyl release thumb piece. The locking pin is sprung to the front, opposite from any other N frame, therefore there is no 'divot' in the TL recoil shield unlike all other N frames.

The front and middle locks are shown below. The TL craftsmanship is superb and a marvel of precision hand fitting, the panache of yesteryear that we will never see again:





Cyl detent hold open device:
TLs have a classic old feature to keep the cyl open when loading/unloading and prevent it from slamming closed if the gun is tipped to the right slightly and scratching the recoil shield with the extractor star.

The cylinder hold open device or detent was introduced on the very 1st hand ejector, the ".32 HE Model 1896, 1st Model". It was used and continued in pre WW I K frames beginning on the 38 M&P Model of 1902, and used in most pre WWI, pre WW II, and some post war Transitional N frame HEs. Another example of old world panache Smith was known for that we won't ever see again.

Important Note: if you remove the yoke beware of the cyl detent pin and spring! If you aren't aware, it can launch across the room to no man knows where! If it's missing, that's likely what happened to it.

Plunger shown here in bottom of yoke and has a spring underneath it:




It was replaced with the 2nd Model ".44 Hand Ejector” which did not have the 3rd lock or the barrel shroud, and had a barrel lug for the front locking bolt like this:

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Welcome to the forums from the Wiregrass! Go to the Apple Store and get the Tapatalk app. You can take and post pictures directly to the forum with that app.

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SWHF #474 SWCA LM#2629

Thank you to all members that replied for your all valuable information. I got the app, now I have to figure out how to post my pictures


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Here are my pictures!


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Brautiful ! Welcome and thanks for sharing.

Regards,
Bruce

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Bruce

Welcome to the Forum.

The end of the ejector rod is missing from your TL.

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WAR EAGLE!

I know, that is why I needed to know the model number so I could try and find the missing part. Can anyone tell me where I might find the missing part or the value of this pistol? A big thank you to those who helped me with the model number,etc!

That's a nicee Tl and looks all original.

All you have to ask for is .44 "Triple Lock", there's no others.


It's just a large knurled headed screw with a hole thru it and a special thread.


Photo by Steelslaver


These are reproduced parts by:

ACCU-METAL, 3987 North " W" Street, Pensacola, FL 32505 and you can also reach him at [email protected] , his phone number is (850)912-4855. His name is Daniel Widmer. He has an impressive amount of equipment and skill. Dan's cell phone is (419)345-2990 . I find it best to reach him after 4pm weekdays at the shop


Photo by delta-419

NOTE: Temporarily (or permanently) a later pre war rod/knob can be used in a TL with the caveat that the TL rod is slightly larger in diameter, .266” vs. .242”. But it works fine.

The TL extractor rod has the large spring retaining collar machined integral to the rod necessitating the separate screw off knob on the front end to remove the rod from the rear of the yoke.
Later pre war rods for shrouded barrels have non-removable, integral knobs of the same size, but a separate spring collar for removability of the rod from the front of the yoke.

Vendors to try:

GUN GARAGE on Ebay (for screws)
http://stores.ebay.com/Gun-Garage

George Dye (at David Carroll's) for old Smith parts, sight blades, etc.

Brownells: Gunsmithing supplies, equipment, gun parts, technical advice.
Mail Address: 200 South Front Street, Montezuma, IA 50171
Phone: 800-741-0015
Fax: 641-623-3896
Web Site: World's Largest Supplier of Firearm Accessories, Gun Parts and Gunsmithing Tools - BROWNELLS


"Aonepawninc" http://stores.ebay.com/aonepawninc
has a bunch of S&W parts for sale. I just ordered a complete hammer for my pre model 30 from them. They are very customer oriented and have very reasonable prices. 1/10/16

Dave Bennett: Parts and guns from 1900 up to 1970's.
e-Mail: [email protected]
Web Site: www.22ammobox.com

David Clements - Clements Custom Guns
PH: 276-238-8761
2766 Mt. Zion Rd.
Woodlawn, VA 24381
[email protected]
Clements Custom Guns

Jack First: Large selection of Pre- and Post-WWII parts. Sells working
parts to FFL dealers only.
Phone: 605-343-9544

Gun Parts Corp: Successor to Numrich Arms; many guns parts.
226 Williams Lane, West Hurley, NY 12491
Phone: 845-679-2417
e-Mail: [email protected]
Web Site: www.gunpartscorp.com

Jim Horvath: Many parts for all S&W's (large and small) from 1860 up;
can reproduce parts.
e-Mail: [email protected]

Jeff Lee: Lee's Gun Parts (an extensive supply of gun parts, including S&W)Mike who works for Lee has 45 M25 barrels.
(Open to the public on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays).
3401 W. Pioneer, Suite 2, Irving, TX 75061
Phone: 972-790-0773
www.leesgunparts.com/‎

Jan Matlega: Parts for Pre-WWII S&W hand-ejectors.
Mail Address: 528 Eddy Glover
New Britain, CT 06053
Phone: 860-229-6872

Poppert's Gun Parts: http://www.poppertsgunparts.com/
P.O. Box 413
Glenside, PA 19038
Tel: 215-887-2391 Fax: 215-887-5816
Email: [email protected]

Charlie Pate: Provides screws (original & reproduction) for S&W Tip-ups and Top-breaks; author of books and articles on S&W guns.
Phone: 703-533-8057
e-Mail: [email protected]

Phil Saccacio: Phone: 540-456-6405
e-Mail: [email protected]

Dave Szilagy: Manufactures parts for older S&W's.
Mail Address: 3107 Electric, Lincoln Park, MI 48146
e-Mail: [email protected]

Mike Veilleux: Guns and Gun Parts
All Parts inc. for Pre- and Post-WWII S&W's.
Phone: 413-732-9938
e-Mail: [email protected]
Web Site: www.gunsnparts.com

Liberty Tree Collectors Phone:207-285-3111
139 Main Street, Corinth, ME 04427
Email:[email protected]
Liberty tree collectors has original, CCH lanyard rings (but without the retaining pin) for $25.

S&W Parts; antique and new
[email protected]
Ph: 352 394-7412

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S&WCA #819

Not a bad old TL at all! You are very fortunate to own one. Looks to be the original grips (or correct type, at least) as well - a real plus. Thanks for sharing your sixgun with us.

Be still my beating heart. You really know how to make an entrance with style, Rmoosehorn. Welcome aboard.

Froggie

Thanks to everyone who contributed to that list for parts. I ordered a spring and the 2 pieces from Numrich and will see if they work. Thank you all for the warm welcome to your forum!


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