I picked this outdoorsman up today. All #'s matching 6460XX. There are no markings on the front sight, it does have a white outline that isn't metal or paint. Ivory? I have never seen one like this and can't find any pics that resemble it. Also never seen a wooden Tyler T-grip either. Any info about this little gem would be greatly appreciated. If you need more pics let me know.

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Here's a little better pic with a dark background too.

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Was the rear sight opened up to accommodate the width of that new front sight? Would be curious as to the measurement of the width of it. Is the "T Grip" held in place with a clip under the grips panels, or a screw and a hole drilled into the inside of the grip frame?

Nice looking piece with a unique feature.

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H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244

That's a really cool front sight. That must make that sight really easy to see on a black target. I'm curious to see what it is now.

SWCA #3132

The rear sight looks original but I have never came across another outdoorsman before. And the grip adapter attach the same way as a Tyler T-grip. Probably gonna have to think about lettering this one. Lock up is tight, looks like it was carried more then shot. And sorry for my lack of photography skills too. I'm totally out of my element on this one.

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And yes the sight really does stand out against a dark background. The sight picture looks like the rear sight is outlined in white when everything is aligned.

It's a Whitex front sight, might have spelled it incorrectly. I have a period ad saved but am away from home right now. It been discussed before on the forum.

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kbgrips.com

Thanks Keith I have never heard of white-x sights. But then again there's a lot I don't know...lol... Could they be factory installed like the King sights? I can't wait to try the sights out on a target. Maybe Saturday if I'm lucky. Either way I think I came out great on the price. But don't intend on selling it. I had been wanting a pre-17 but this is even better!!! And also the work you put into your stocks are phenomenal maybe one of these days I can get a set.

According to Six Guns and Bullseyes and Automatic Pistol Marksmanship: A Comprehensive Manual on Target Shooting by William Reichenbach, a man in Kentucky named R. J. Tappehorn designed and sold those Whitex sights.

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Guy
SWHF #474 SWCA LM#2629

Thanks Wiregrassguy!! Guess I will be getting some new reading material also. I have never heard of him but it looks like that author thought highly of those sights. They really do contrast well against dark backgrounds. I can't wait to see how she does. As always you gentleman on here are a treasure trove of knowledge l.

What about the wooden grip adapter? It's attached by 4 prongs similar to the same way as a Tyler-T. There are no markings on it either.

That rear sight notch looks to me to have been opened up some. Due to the width of the front sight it would almost have to have been.

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H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244

The front "blade" on this type of sight is the pocket in the middle, the white ramps on each side are to gather light, this is supposed to make the light strip on each side of the front blade very defined, even in less than great light. The rear notch would not need to be wider than normally used. Don't know about the King question but I suppose it's possible. Very nice M&P Target, my current passion in the prewar guns.

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Yes the rear sight doesn't seem to be altered from what I can tell. Here's another pick I tried to get with the contrast off of my couch. Again sorry for the ****** pics.

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Hope this shows up.

Don't bother with the Colt ad below, I already checked and it's gone.

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Very neat

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Kris
OGCA, NRA LM

Usmc5811: The Pachmayr grip adapter, predecessor to the Tyler T-Grip, attached to a revolver in virtually the same way, as did the Mershon Sure-Grip before it. The Mershon was available at least by the 1950s, so I would have no trouble believing yours to have been made by some skilled DIYer (which would be my guess).

Larry

I was about to jump on each and every one who spelled it Whitex---informing one and all it's "WhiteX". Then I saw the ad. Whoever paid for the ad got it wrong too----or then again, maybe not.

I have one one on a "Roper Colt"---an Officers Model 38 well and truly breathed on by Walter and his lads. I'm told the Whitex was a favorite of his---aside from the fact he didn't think of it first.

The large screw on the side holds the assembly together. Remove it, and you're left with the two halves in your hands, and what is likely an undercut Patridge on the gun. The Patridge will likely have two pins through it which serve to locate the Whitex pieces.

I spent an eternity asking the wrong people what it was---and then called Joe Miller. He not only knew what it was (Never mind he spelled it wrong.), he had several guns so equipped, and had used the sights in competition. He allowed as how it was the neatest thing since sliced bread.

Ralph Tremaine

Rct269 was this something that was installed by a smith or is it simple enough for me to remove it and clean it. Also was the front sight blade altered to fit this device. Thanks Travis

I can answer all those questions as re an installation on a Colt----and none of them for a S&W. Here's what's what on a Colt: The (stock) front blade is (screw) adjustable for elevation, and protrudes slightly aft of the sight boss. The slight protrusion aft is insufficient to accommodate the Whitex attachment. Accordingly, the Whitex kit for a Colt consists of a longer blade, the two Whitex pieces, and a screw to hold the Whitex pieces to the blade. As noted earlier, the blade has two cross pins through it to locate the Whitex. It could be installed on a Colt by anyone.

So, rather than speculate about an installation on a S&W, let me suggest you remove the screw from your sight---and see what falls off. Assuming nothing falls off, it's because the Whitex pieces are a snug fit on the locating pins-----pull them off with your fingers. I don't have access to your pictures right now, but I suspect the remaining blade will also be longer than stock (longer to the rear). If you recognize it as such, fine. If not, I will----give us a picture. Given it's a replacement, it's held in place by one pin----and is child's play to remove---with the correct tools. Don't mess with it without the proper tools (cup tip punch).

I'll stop now---and go look at the pictures. I'll be back if I see something worth talking about---and probably even if I don't.

Ralph Tremaine

Okay, your blade is most assuredly NOT longer to the rear-----and the entire installation is much tidier (and smaller) than that on a Colt. I'm going to guess your kit consists of a blade, the two Whitex pieces, and the screw. The installation process is off with the old, on with the new-----a matter of 2-3 minutes----with the proper tools.

I see no need to remove the Whitex Blade from the sight boss. Other than to confirm the presence of the locating pins, there's no pressing need to even remove the Whitex pieces from the blade. Of course, if you're like me, you're going to remove them just because they're there.

Ralph Tremaine

And given that the Whitex pieces appear to fit flat down on the top of the boss, you may find there are no locating pins on your installation-----which is to say they only go on one way, and there's no wiggle room.

The Whitex screw on mine is a very high quality fastener---requiring a high quality screwdriver. Don't even think about using a wedge blade screwdriver.

Wow the knowledge on this sight is priceless. Wish it could all be bound up into a coffee table book. Better have a big table. Thanks again I'm not sure I'll take it apart....yet. First item of business is a good cleaning and some wax she deserves that.

For the most part they do. Its called the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson

Is there mention of the WhiteX sight or the wooden grip adapter in the Standard Catalog? If so I admit I am an idiot.