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Thank you for your submittal. I could not see the entire serial # on the butt. Looks like 470?0. Can you please confirm?
Sorry, missed this before. 47030.
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SER #--32589

I bought this as a shooter rather than a collector.
I believe it to be a heavily modified .455 HE Model II.
It is now .45 LC--work was expertly done and the action is SLICK.
I have asked for the letter just for information.

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I have #27188 and it is caliber marked. Dean
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Hello, I am a new member of the S&W forum and first time forum user. I live in Australia and have just recently purchased at auction a S&W 1st Model .455cal revolver. It is supposed to be from the 1915 WW1 Gallipoli battlefield and used by a know Australian Lieutenant, yet a friend tells me it may actually be a 1917 revolver judging by its serial number #46837. Can anybody please help me identify what year of manufacture this pistol would have been? Regards, Matt
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SMLE15, your revolver is a Smith & Wesson 2nd Model Hand Ejector. This gun is not a 1st Model as stated in the auction catalogue, nor is it a 1917.
I did not attend the auction but I do have the catalogue and have also looked at the photograph on line. If any Forum members want to look at this go to Australian Arms Auctions Oct 2017 sale and look for lot 482. How anyone can describe this gun as in good working order and very good condition, as the description states, I can't fathom. It has been destroyed by the sawcut in the barrel. This is an example of the poor descriptions that are so common with AAA.
The people who destroy guns like this are, to put it mildly, philistines. If I stated my true opinion my intemperate language would have me thrown off the Forum.

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Thanks Frank, any idea of the year of manufacture?

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Matt, welcome to the forum!

Yes a "455 Hand Ejector - 2nd Model" shipped in the 1st quarter of 1916.

Yeah, describing it as "o/w gwo" (otherwise good working order). No kidding; a pretty sneaky way of describing it as NOT SHOOTABLE!!!

What a sacrilege since one could still shoot it but with a huge sacrifice in velocity and no one better be standing to the right of it!
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Hi Jim, thanks for the warm welcome. I have lover S&W since the old Dirty Harry films in the 70's/80's and was more very impressed with a documentary about the company's beginnings. Thank you fo the information, bit sad about it not being a 1915 revolver and yes, terrible shame that somebody had 'deactivated it'. Regards, Matt
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Hi Jim
I have a 455 MKII HE serial 20583. British acceptance and crossed pendants. Left side of barrel "Smith&Wesson" no caliber.
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I have a 455 MKII HE serial 20583. British acceptance and crossed pendants. Left side of barrel "Smith&Wesson" no caliber.
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Jim, don't know if you are still collecting MKII data but here goes. I came across a S&W .455 last week on GB and did an impulse bid as the gun which was going thru its 3rd or 4th time around without any bids. I bid the low minimum and it came in today. All I can say is WOW!!! BINGO!!! It is a keeper. I will post photos later this week on a separate thread. For your study it is serial number30783 and is marked .455. Hope this helps!
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Yes I am.

Thanks for the new data.
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SER #--32589

I bought this as a shooter rather than a collector.
I believe it to be a heavily modified .455 HE Model II.
It is now .45 LC--work was expertly done and the action is SLICK.
I have asked for the letter just for information.

Attachment 307983

Was the gunsmith here a guy named Matthews, in California? Looks like his style.
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I have S/N 26211, no caliber markings, martial stamps, in .455.
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Triple Lock, S/N 1763, British proof marks, barrel restamped 45 A/R, (will not accept .45 Auto Rim-45 Colt will chamber).

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Thank you!

A type 2. “455 Hand Ejector-1st Model Triple Lock”, on of the #1 thru #5461.
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Hi.... i have three 2nd model HE's . All 6 1/2 "

# 20111 Marked "Smith & Wesson" on left of barrel. No calibre marking. British marked.

# 47456 marked " Smith & Wesson .455. " on left of barrel. British marked and stamped out of service.

# 62589 marked "Smith & Wesson .455." on left of barrel. no markings but Crown and 30 on butt.

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Great information.
For those that are not aware the crown with 30 under it is a Canadian inspection mark.
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2nd Model. #16872. Shipped to Remington on 09/23/1915. No caliber mark. Enfield acceptance mark behind cylinder latch. Crossed pennants below barrel pin on L/S frame. Thankfully never converted to .45 Colt or ACP. No unit marks. Sent to me from England twenty years ago. Excellent condition. Good shooter.
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I have serial number 5218 1st Model TL still in .455. It has no barrel markings other than the roll mark on top. Has period British commercial proofs, small Crown/GP and Crown/V in appropriate places. No military markings. Letter says shipped to Rem/UMC on Jan. 21, 1915.
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Hi.... i have three 2nd model HE's . All 6 1/2 "

# 20111 Marked "Smith & Wesson" on left of barrel. No calibre marking. British marked.

# 47456 marked " Smith & Wesson .455. " on left of barrel. British marked and stamped out of service.

# 62589 marked "Smith & Wesson .455." on left of barrel. no markings but Crown and 30 on butt.

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2nd Model. #16872. Shipped to Remington on 09/23/1915. No caliber mark. Enfield acceptance mark behind cylinder latch. Crossed pennants below barrel pin on L/S frame. Thankfully never converted to .45 Colt or ACP. No unit marks. Sent to me from England twenty years ago. Excellent condition. Good shooter.
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I have serial number 5218 1st Model TL still in .455. It has no barrel markings other than the roll mark on top. Has period British commercial proofs, small Crown/GP an Crown/V in appropriate places. No military markings. Letter says shipped to Rem/UMC on Jan. 21, 1915.
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Any updated list you can share? We are curious about what you are finding out.
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Brit acceptance mark. No other Brit marks.
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Sure, here's the latest list as of 2/10/18:


Cal stamping of British contract and commercial .455s categorized by the following production models:

0. "Rare misc. early commercial production 44 TL 1st Models chambered in .455."
Including a pre Brit Contract special order TL subset of 25 standard .44 1st Model TLs in the .44 serial # range chambered in .45 Eley (per letter) with 5” barrels, shipped Nov. 1, 1912. Thx to Jim Fisher for bringing these to our attention and sharing documentation! See #5751 below.
A Scarce 5 Inch Triple lock shipped to Canada in April of 1915

5642 – NO CTG ROLLMARK shipped April 1915
5724 - NO CTG ROLLMARK 455 single gun shipment April 28,1915, from Canada
5751 - Caliber is 45 Eley, shipped in 1912 in a commercial order of 25, 5” guns to H. Robitsek, Canada
5788 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, Canadian 6 1/2” barrel shipped June 4, 1915 in an order of 5 to Hurd & Co.
7827 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, in Germany


1. “44 Hand Ejector-1st Model Triple Lock”, 812 (666 military & 146 commercially sold) in the 44 Spl # series factory converted to 455. Supposedly only marked Smith & Wesson with no cartridge marking.

6919 - NO BARREL ROLLMARK, neither Smith & Wesson nor CTG, shipped Oct. 21, 1914
8493 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, minimal military stampings but one of the 666, almost like NIB


2. “455 Hand Ejector-1st Model Triple Lock” #1 thru #5461.

358 – NO CTG ROLLMARK, shipped in October 1914
718 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, likely in first shipment from Remington to England in 1914). All original
930 – NO CTG ROLLMARK, cylinder measures 1 5/8"
1763 - British proof marks, barrel marked and restamped 45 A/R
1911 – NO CTG ROLLMARK, not even ‘Smith & Wesson’.
1203 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
1549 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
2102 - NO CTG ROLLMARK
2013 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
2147 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, serial # not drilled thru for Lanyard, from Canada 2373 - NO CTG ROLLMARK from Switzerland, in Germany
3147 - stamped on right hand side of barrel
3424 – has barrel # 10,001 and stamped 45 COLT, shipped on December, 23, 1914, butt # removed
3628 - NO CTG ROLLMARK converted to .45LC (recessed conversion)
3699 – NO CTG ROLLMARK, orig .455 configuration. x-pennants, in & out broad arrows
3863 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
3932 - NO CTG ROLLMARK
4050 – NO ROLL MARK, British proofs, 45 Colt conv.
4172 - NO CTG ROLLMARK military shipped in 1918
4324 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
4534 - NO CTG ROLLMARK in Germany
4857 - NO CTG ROLLMARK converted to ACP with a 1917 cyl # 112265
5105 - NO CTG ROLLMARK
5218 - no barrel markings, still in .455. British coml’ proofs, Crown/GP an Crown/V, to Rem/UMC 1/21/15
5233 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, minimal British marks, supposedly shipped to S. America


3.A. “455 Hand Ejector-2nd Model” #5462 thru 74755.

5719 - "Smith & Wesson .455". “A Commercial (no letter). Shipped May 1915. Birmingham proofs”
7766 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
9980 - NO CTG ROLLMARK Some Canadian military marks
10663 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, shipped to Winch for ammo testing
12448 – NO CTG ROLLMARK on barrel
12508 – NO FACTORY CTG ROLLMARK, converted to 45 ACP/RR, stamped ".45AP"
12847 - "Smith & Wesson .455". Shipped Dec. 1917, probably to Shapleigh Hardware. Roy Jinks advised me this would letter as chambered for .455 Colt.
14337 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
15015 - "Smith & Wesson .455".
15515 - marked 45 AR SMITH & WESSON left side
15543 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
15877 - marked "Smith & Wesson”
15980 - marked "Smith & Wesson"
16872 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, Shipped to Remington on 09/23/1915. No
17320 - marked 455 left side
20111 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, Marked only "Smith & Wesson" on left side barrel. British marked.
20509 – NO S&W OR CTG ROLLMARK, Canadian marked, converted to 45 AR, barrel 4 inches, nickeled
20583 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, "Smith & Wesson" no caliber, left side of barrel
225xx - NO CTG ROLLMARK, converted to 45 Colt by recessing
23597 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, marked Smith & Wesson only
25835 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, marked Smith & Wesson only
26007 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
27188 - NO CTG ROLLMARK
27536 - "S & W .455 "Left side of Barrel, back from ctr, cylinder also measures 1 5/8"
28543 – S&W .455 on left side of barrel
29198 - caliber marked, in Germany
29515 - left side barrel is marked SMITH & WESSON .455., shipped in December of 1915
29954 - stamped 455, British acceptance stamps and, I think, Australian unit stamp.
30414 – cal marked 455 shipped Dec. 16, 1915 to Remington Arms-Union Metallic Cartridge in NY
30783 - marked 455 left side
31138 – stamped left hand side
31739 - marked 455 left side
31776 - LH side of barrel roll marked "Smith & Wesson .455.
31782 - caliber marked, converted to 45 ACP Cylinder faced off, in Germany
32061 - marked "Smith & Wesson .455"
33764 – Smith & Wesson .455. on left side of barrel, converted to 45 ACP/AR, cut to 4”
35064 - roll marked .455 on barrel Canadian C circle arrow marked
35711 - roll marked .455 on L side of bbl, shipped on Jan 6, 1916, British marked
36481 - marked "Smith & Wesson .455"
37923 - roll marked on left side of barrel, converted to 45 AR
39155 - marked "Smith & Wesson .455"
39645 – marked "Smith & Wesson .455"
39738 - roll marked .455 on barrel x-pennants, in & out broad arrows
40096 - marked .455
43067 - marked .455. on left side of the barrel
44519 - "Smith & Wesson .455." left side of Barrel
45484 - roll marked on left side of barrel
46058 - "Smith & Wesson .455." left side of Barrel, Brit acceptance mark. No other Brit marks.
46837 – cartridge marked, in Australia, saw cut in barrel near the breech
46748 – NO CTG ROLLMARK factory 45 Colt from the group of 15
47030 – roll marked left side, Canada,
47456 - marked "Smith & Wesson .455. " on left of barrel. British marked and stamped out of service.
47474 - S&W .455. on Left side, aftermarket 45 Colt Cyl.
56050 - S&W .455. on Left side of barrel
52908 - 455 stamped, shipped April 1916, went to England
53468 - marked .455 on LS of barrel.
56050 – marked .455 left side
56603 - marked .455 left side
57387 - NO CTG ROLLMARK shipped to Rem for Great Britain
58547 - 455 stamped. shipped May 1916, went to England
59045 - 455 stamped. shipped May 1916, went to England
61801 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
62589 - marked "Smith & Wesson .455." on left, Canadian Crown and 30 on butt, no other stampings
62941 - marked 455 LH Side
63279 - Smith and Wesson .455. on left side
66549 - caliber marked, in Germany
66573 - marked Smith & Wesson .455.
66860 - 455 marking, shipped to Shapleigh Hardware Dec 1917
67691 - stamped .455 coml gun shipped to Shapleigh Hardware in Dec 1917
68103 - marked "Smith & Wesson .455"
69234 - marked Smith & Wesson .455, no martial markings or British proofs, commercially shipped Dec 1917, to Shapleigh Hardware
73778 - original .455. rollmark left side
74744 - NOT CTG ROLLMARKED factory 45 Colt, one of the 724 shipped May 4, 1917 to the Phelps Dodge Mining Co.


3.B. “44 Hand Ejector-1st Model Triple Lock 455s” 691 assembled at the end of the British contract but sold on the commercial market 1916-17, built from remaining TL frames and numbered in the 44 Spl # series ~ 12,000 – 14,XXX range.

12459 - cal marked, from CAN, no govt stampings, shipped to Ottawa, CA firm, 5/3/16
12493 - Left side of barrel marked Smith & Wesson 455
12609 - Left side marked Smith & Wesson 455, shipped 11/24/16 to Montreal CA, Canadian officer gun
12618 - stamped .455 (British proofs)
12742 – stamped, likely one of the 691 "Spare Parts" TL's produced in 1916 and possibly one of 325 shipped to Shapleigh Hardware on December 29, 1917.
12787 – Marked Smith & Wesson 455, commercially sold to Shapleigh Hardware on December 29, 1917, shown here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/139731075-post104.html
12847 - "Smith & Wesson .455". Shipped Dec. 1917, probably to Shapleigh Hardware. Roy Jinks advised me this would letter as chambered for .455 Colt.
12910 – Smith & Wesson 455 marked, commercial, 29 December 1917 to Shapleigh Hardware.
12973 – cal marked
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Thanks for the update Jim, but I see your work is never done. There are 101 - 455s in the SWCA database and you already have 114 examples.
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Jim,i’m not sure if you have my Mark ll in your data base. It was shipped to Ottawa on July 8th 1916 .Serial# 70000. Smith &Wesson .455 on left side of barrel. As an aside, it has I.Miller scratched into the bottom of grip. It remains in .455 cal. Bill
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Thank you, I know I don't have yours, I wouldn't forget that serial #.
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2nd Model HE #42432, Caliber IS marked on the left side

British proofs (Broad arrow, ??, E, II) & crossed pennants on the left side. Crossed pennants between one of the chambers. No other unique marks. Reblued, but still 455.



The holster it came in is modified. I can put the name scratched into the holster (American guy in 12th Canadian MG Company) at a very specific location at Paaschendaele on the night of Oct 27, 1917. Not sure if the holster is original to the gun but it's certainly been at home there for a long long time.

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Thank you!
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Here's one to add:

No 2703, No markings on barrel other than address and British Proofmarks. Shipped 16 Dec 1914 and delivered to Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co, NYC, agents for the British Government.
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SER #--32589

I bought this as a shooter rather than a collector.
I believe it to be a heavily modified .455 HE Model II.
It is now .45 LC--work was expertly done and the action is SLICK.
I have asked for the letter just for information.

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I think this is the work of a gunsmith named George Matthews, in California. I believe he's now deceased.
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No 2703, No markings on barrel other than address and British Proofmarks. Shipped 16 Dec 1914 and delivered to Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co, NYC, agents for the British Government.
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1st model 455 NO caliber or S&W rollmark. #4871 Proofs as shown in pic. Any clue what "D-6-Q.B." stands for?
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1st model 455 NO caliber or S&W rollmark. #4871 Proofs as shown in pic. Any clue what "D-6-Q.B." stands for?
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Thank you! Sorry don't know what the D-6-QB is other than some unit designation or Quartermaster inventory #.

Here's two thread links to click on and ask about the marking:

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Hi
I have ser# 40380
left side of barrel SMITH & WESSON .455.
top of barrel has patent marking stamp 2 lines
SMITH & WESSON SPRINGFIELD MASS U.S.A.
PATENTED OCT.8,1901 DEC.17,1901 FEB.6,1906
on the underside of barrel in the flat there is a mark about 3/8" before the serial# I can't make out kind of looks like a B
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Welcome to the forum.

It is a B, used on pre war Hand Ejectors to indicate the original finish is blue. An N or no letter indicates an original nickeled gun.

Thx for the info on your 2nd Model 455.
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Time for an update. Notice the quote from Roy Jinks with substantial new information:

Cal stamping of British contract and commercial .455s categorized by the following production models:

0. "Rare misc. early commercial production 44 TL 1st Models chambered in .455."
Including a pre Brit Contract special order TL subset of 25 standard .44 1st Model TLs in the .44 serial # range chambered in .45 Eley with 5” barrels, shipped Nov. 1, 1912. Thx to Jim Fisher for bringing these to our attention and sharing documentation! See #5751 below.
A Scarce 5 Inch Triple lock shipped to Canada in April of 1915

5642 – NO CTG ROLLMARK shipped April 1915
5724 - NO CTG ROLLMARK 455 single gun shipment April 28,1915, from Canada
5751 - Caliber is 45 Eley, shipped in 1912 in a commercial order of 25, 5” guns to H. Robitsek, Canada
5788 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, Canadian 6 1/2”, 1 of 5 in an order to Hurd & Co Com’l shipped June 4, 1915. (With Roy's new information and the late shipping date, this may be a version #2 below.)
7827 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, in Germany

1. “44 Hand Ejector-1st Model Triple Lock”, 812 (666 military & 146 commercially sold) in the 44 Spl # series factory converted to 455. Supposedly only marked Smith & Wesson with no cartridge marking.

8493 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, minimal military stampings but one of the 666, almost like NIB

2. “455 Hand Ejector-1st Model Triple Lock” #1 thru ~#5800* (previously thought to be 5461, and several higher #s in this range shipped commercial)

358 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
718 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, likely in 1st shipment 10/21/1914 of Remington UMC to England). All original
930 – NO CTG ROLLMARK, cylinder measures 1 5/8"
1911 – NO CTG ROLLMARK, not even Smith & Wesson.
1203 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
1549 – NO CTG ROLLMARK 2013 – NO CTG ROLLMARK 2147 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, serial # not drilled thru for Lanyard, from Canada
2373 - NO CTG ROLLMARK from Switzerland, in Germany
3147 - stamped on right hand side of barrel
3628 - NO CTG ROLLMARK converted to .45LC (recessed conversion)
3699 – NO CTG ROLLMARK, orig .455 configuration. x-pennants, in & out broad arrows
3863 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
3932 - NO CTG ROLLMARK
4172 - NO CTG ROLLMARK military shipped in 1918
4324 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
4534 - NO CTG ROLLMARK in Germany
5105 - NO CTG ROLLMARK
5462 - 455 barrel is not marked; English crown on barrel


* “The .455 H.E. First Model 5462 is in the last shipment [1915] of the model for the British Government. After this shipment there were some of this model sold commercially. The serial number range actually go to 5800 including the commercially shipped guns. Since the factory did not keep any records of the cut off at the end of a model change, it has taken years to put together all the data to obtain the correct serial ranges. I have to tell you that in the game of collecting S&W's for 50 years I still am learning about various models and changes I did not think were possible when I started this research.” Roy 8/25/18 Triple Lock 455 HE 1st Model Discovery/Puzzle


3.A. “455 Hand Ejector-2nd Model” ~#5801 (previously thought to be 5462) thru 74755.

7766 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
14337 – NO CTG ROLLMARK 10663 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, shipped to Winch for ammo testing
12448 – NO CTG ROLLMARK on barrel
12508 – NO FACTORY CTG ROLLMARK, converted to45 ACP/RR, stamped ".45AP"
15543 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
17320 - marked 455 left side
26007 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
27536 - "S & W .455 "Left side of Barrel, back from ctr, cylinder also measures 1 5/8"
29198 - caliber marked, in Germany
29515 - left side barrel is marked SMITH & WESSON .455., shipped in December of 1915
29954 - stamped 455, British acceptance stamps and, I think, Australian unit stamp.
30414 – cal marked 455 shipped Dec. 16, 1915 to Remington Arms-Union Metallic Cartridge in NY
31138 – stamped left hand side
31739 - marked 455 left side
31776 - LH side of barrel roll marked "Smith & Wesson .455.
31782 - caliber marked, converted to 45 ACP Cylinder faced off, in Germany
35064 - roll marked .455 on barrel Canadian C circle arrow marked
35711 - roll marked .455 on L side of bbl, shipped on Jan 6, 1916
37923 - roll marked on left side of barrel
39738 - roll marked .455 on barrel x-pennants, in & out broad arrows
40096 - marked .455
43067 - marked .455. on left side of the barrel
46748 – NO CTG ROLLMARK factory 45 Colt from the group of 15
45484 - roll marked on left side of barrel
56050 - S&W .455. on Left side of barrel
52908 - shipped April 1916 455 STAMPED. All three went to England.
53468 - marked .455 on LS of barrel.
56050 – marked .455 left side
56603 - marked .455 left side
57387 - NO CTG ROLLMARK shipped to Rem for Great Britain
58547 - 455 stamped. shipped May 1916 “
59045 - 455 stamped. shipped May 1916 “
61801 – NO CTG ROLLMARK
62941 - marked 455 LH Side
63279 - Smith and Wesson .455. on left side
66549 - caliber marked, in Germany
66573 - marked Smith & Wesson .455.
66860 - 455 marking, shipped to Shapleigh Hardware Dec 1917
67691 - stamped .455 coml. gun shipped to Shapleigh Hardware in Dec 1917
69234 - marked Smith & Wesson .455, no martial markings or British proofs, commercially shipped Dec 1917, to Shapleigh Hardware
73778 - original .455. rollmark left side
74744 - NOT CTG ROLLMARKED factory 45 Colt, one of the 724 shipped May 4, 1917 to the Phelps Dodge Mining Co.


3.B. “44 Hand Ejector-1st Model Triple Lock” 691 assembled at the end of the British contract but sold on the commercial market 1916-17, built from remaining TL frames and numbered in the 44 Spl # series ~ 12,000 – 14,XXX range.

12459 - cal marked, from CAN, no Gov’t stampings,
124XX – cal marked, no martial stamps
12493 - Left side of barrel marked Smith & Wesson 455
12618 - stamped .455 (British proofs)
12685 - stamped .455 (British proofs)
12742 – stamped, likely one of the 691 "Spare Parts" TL's produced in 1916 and possibly one of 325 shipped to Shapleigh Hardware on December 29, 1917.
12787 – Marked Smith & Wesson 455, commercially sold to Shapleigh Hardware on December 29, 1917
12910 – cal marked, commercial
12973 – cal marked
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I have a triple lock S/N3349 no cal.marks in .455 .acceptance marks =infield small arms and broad arrow .Also crossed pendants .top of barrel
has patent dates .S/N on butt ,lanyard fitting not through it
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Jim, just another vote of thanks for undertaking this project and keeping it current.

Your running summary makes 73778 sound better than it is. Just to be clear, the revolver is not original in any fundamental sense, though it does still carry an original .455 rollmark on the barrel. Modification details are reported in post 18 on page 1; in quick summary, it has been rechambered to .45 Colt (with a possible intermediate stop at .45 S&W/Schofield) and given Micro adjustable sights. This revolver went under the knife more than once to end up looking the way it does now.
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Sir, would like to add my triple lock to your numbers.
#15055
.455. on left side of barrel
.455 Eley chambers, not .455 Mark 11
Would like to know when it shipped.
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JM,

All British contract Revolvers are chambered for the 455 Mk I and Mk II and Webley. S&W refers to the cartridge as Mk II only because that was the intended cartridge for the gun. But the brits wanted the longer chambers for the Mk I in case of Mk II ammo shortages.

The Brits called and stamped the 455 2nd models Mk II.

Your serial # is a bit of an anomaly: does it have British proof stamps?
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Group 3.A. Serial 56167. Marked Smith & Wesson .455 left side of barrel. Standard markings, crossed flags and Enfield marks on left frame knuckle. There are no commercial marks and oddly(?), no broad arrow property and/or release marks... (-><-) (Other than the little broad arrow that is part of the Enfield acceptance mark.)
Does this indicate the gun went to somewhere other than the War Department?
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Hi Dean,

Thx for that 2nd Model 455 (3A) version.

I've never seen any with "Commercial marks", only factory and military marks; so not sure I know what you mean.

S&W contract British service revolvers can have just import marks, proof marks, export marks, only 2 of those or all three. Just depends on how they made the journey.

An example of an exception is it was purchased by the citizens acquisition committee from a US commercial source and sent over instead of going from S&W to Rem UMC, and then overseas.

If they don't have export marks, they came home thru unofficial channels such as in a GI duffle bag.
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