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Old 08-29-2018, 06:36 PM
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Jim, my triple lock #15055 does not have any British proofs. It has numbers 6419 on the crane and frame. Thanks, JMtoolman.
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Thx JM!

Ah hah, I didn't think it would. I believe you have a very special 455 TL.

Because that serial # is not in any of the Brit contract WWI service revolver serial # ranges and since it doesn't have any Brit acceptance, proof, or import/export stamps.

I believe it must be a "44 Special Hand Ejector - 1st Model" for these reasons:

1. likely it was special ordered new from S&W with a 455 Mk II chambering,

2. no brit stamps,

3. marked 455 on barrel (the Brit TLs were not marked),

4. and numbered in the 44 serial # range. That would make it one of around 100 and very scarce.

I would definitely get an Historical Letter for that one to confirm!

The only other possibility is that it's a #3B version in my post #178 but as you'll see it's serial # is over 2000 #s higher than any known in that range. And it was sold on the com'l market, not shipped to England.
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I have a 2nd Model marked 455 on left side of the barrel> The S/N is 8343 as marked on the butt grip and on the frame next to the crane. The crane is also marked with this number in 2 places. The barrel and cylinder are marked 54795, so I'm not sure which is the correct S/N! There is a defaced proof on the knuckle above the grip, and the backstrap is marked RCMP 97
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According to "Arms & accoutrements of the Mounted Police, 1873-1973: The first one hundred years" the RCMP did not buy S&W revolvers in 455 caliber, they bought Colt New Services until WW2.
I would question the RCMP markings on the above mentioned gun.
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According to "Arms & accoutrements of the Mounted Police, 1873-1973: The first one hundred years" the RCMP did not buy S&W revolvers in 455 caliber, they bought Colt New Services until WW2.
I would question the RCMP markings on the above mentioned gun.
There were many with British and / or Canadian proofs in .455. Were those only for the military. I have a New Service in .455 I guess I should mortgage my house to get a letter from Colt on it.
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I have a 2nd Model marked 455 on left side of the barrel> The S/N is 8343 as marked on the butt grip and on the frame next to the crane. The crane is also marked with this number in 2 places. The barrel and cylinder are marked 54795, so I'm not sure which is the correct S/N! There is a defaced proof on the knuckle above the grip, and the backstrap is marked RCMP 97
Thank you. The # on the butt is strange to be matching the assembly #s in the yoke. Could we get a photo of that?

Likely if the butt # was removed and later restamped, the wrong # was used which is not uncommon. The serial # is 54795.

It can be confirmed in 3 other locations:

3. Yoke - on rear face only visible thru a chamber with a flashlight

4. Extractor star - backside

6. Right stock only - on back; penciled om this vintage and stock material.
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In 1873 the North West Mounted Police (NWMP) was created. The .450 Adams revolver was the original sidearm, ex- British Army guns, shipped over “packed in a valise” (a reference to why so many were found damaged upon arrival from England and not useable. Period photos show Adams in a cross-draw leather belt holster. I'm not aware that the Colt SAA was ever used by the NWMP.)

1904 'Royal' was bestowed upon the NWMP and they became the RNWMP. The Colt New Service was 1st ordered, and they were chambered in .455 Eley & re-ordered 3 more times thru 1914.

1918 they switched to the .45 Colt chambered NS. This is the period that 724 S&W “455 Mk II Hand Ejector - 2nd Models” chambered in 45 Colt were ordered by the RNWMP. No serial # list known, Pg 203 H of S&W. But a # range has been reported*.

1920 RNWMP merged w/the Dominion Police Force to become a Canadian wide force, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP).

1920 thru 1942 45 Colt NS revolvers were re-ordered exclusively except for 1932 when the last batch of 455 Eleys (MK II) was ordered. To solve the issue of two different cartridges, all 45 Colt chambered guns were moved to eastern Canada and all 455 Eleys to west of Thunder Bay in Northwest Ontario.

1954 all .45 caliber revolvers were retired and the S&W .38 Spl Military and Police (Pre mod 10) was adopted (thought to be 5 ½” barrels).

1964 retired .45 caliber revolvers were first offered to Force members for $12 ea. Then the remainder were sold to the general public.

Revolvers were usually stamped with variations of the RCMP letters. Of the 3,195 Colt NS revolvers, only 2800 were actually stamped with an issue number. Mostly MP marked Colt New Service revolvers have been observed.

*Most of the 724 are in the 70K range, though there are some earlier... in the 40K range... that didn't go to Canada. #74301 is one that did, a Canadian-shipped .455 HE 2nd Mod. in .45 Colt.
Post #13 has an interesting story of one here:
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Forum member Jim Fisher has one in the 40K range that was found a few years back; there are 14 others mfg. (if my recall is correct) at the same time.
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According to "Arms & accoutrements of the Mounted Police, 1873-1973: The first one hundred years" the RCMP did not buy S&W revolvers in 455 caliber, they bought Colt New Services until WW2.
I would question the RCMP markings on the above mentioned gun.
I do too! In particular because the known marking is just MP with an issue #.

The RCMP did not buy 455s. But The Canadian military bought 14,500 .455 2nd Models [H of S&W, pg. 203].

Canadian military shipments of 14,500:

-1500 Shipped after Aug. 1915
-850 Shipped thru December 24th, 1915
-150 Shipped thru March 31st, 1916
-6,000 Shipped thru July 22nd, 1916
-6000 Shipped February 10, 1917
At least 1 shipped July 29th, 1916, see post #10: .455 Hand Ejector 45 Colt
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Thank you. The # on the butt is strange to be matching the assembly #s in the yoke. Could we get a photo of that?

Likely if the butt # was removed and later restamped, the wrong # was used which is not uncommon. The serial # is 54795.

It can be confirmed in 3 other locations:

3. Yoke - on rear face only visible thru a chamber with a flashlight

4. Extractor star - backside

6. Right stock only - on back; penciled om this vintage and stock material.
Not best pics, and I couldn't figure a way to shoot rear face of crane, which has the same #8345. Same with rear face of extractor, it is #54795.
I believe the #8345 number on the frame is the s/n because of location. Regards,
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Thank you. The # on the butt is strange to be matching the assembly #s in the yoke. Could we get a photo of that?

Likely if the butt # was removed and later restamped, the wrong # was used which is not uncommon. The serial # is 54795.

It can be confirmed in 3 other locations:

3. Yoke - on rear face only visible thru a chamber with a flashlight

4. Extractor star - backside

6. Right stock only - on back; penciled om this vintage and stock material.
Not best pics, and I couldn't figure a way to shoot rear face of crane, which has the same #8345. Same with rear face of extractor, it is #54795.
I believe the #8345 number on the frame is the s/n because of location. Regards,
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Not best pics, and I couldn't figure a way to shoot rear face of crane, which has the same #8345. Same with rear face of extractor, it is #54795.
I believe the #8345 number on the frame is the s/n because of location. Regards,
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Well that was easy. The butt photo says it all, no more mystery.

The first mistake was using the assembly # to restamp the butt and a little crooked from a factory stamping.

The 2nd and worst mistake was; the # is stamped upside down and on the wrong side of the lanyard swivel! A lead pipe cinch it's been restamped!

3rd mistake was also stamping the 8345 on the yoke face.

Until 1942 serial #s on the butt read right side up with muzzle to the right.
After that they read correctly with muzzle to the left like yours.

The face of the yoke is restamped as well. The gun may also or may not have a replaced barrel, cyl/extractor star, and yoke, not original to the gun.

If original to the frame, the side plate will have the 8345 assembly # on the inside.

Can you find a penciled # on the inside of right grip with good light and magnification? That may have the frame's original serial #. At least it'll tell you if barrel and cyl are original.
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The #8345 does appear in the recess for the hand. LH grip doesn't show much, it's split on the back side and has had sanding done for what ever purpose. Same with the right grip, although there is an 03 stamped in it next to the screw hole. I tend to suppose that it is a Canadian gun, even though the mark is mostly obliterated, and that it was rebuilt with a new barrel, extractor and cylinder.
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Here is a .44spl TL, but with a .455 connection. The letter mentions a group of .455s from 1910, which I presume would be commercial, but your database shows nothing in that s/n range. I have asked SWHF for any info on the group and will pass on any results.




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Thank you Bob,

That's a very special 44 TL Military Target -1st Model, factory chambered for the 455 Mk II/Webley cartridge as confirmed in the letter.

The unusual target sight arrangement is well known albeit not common on the TL. They're often referred to as Bisley, (England) Match revolvers. The target sights are specifically to meet a Bisley Match rule, which disallowed fully adjustable rear target sights, and I'm a bit disappointed that this was not mentioned in this particular letter.

What is the date on the letter, as it reads like an older letter?

Because of it's semi-target configuration, very early shipping date, and shipping destination, it clearly has no relationship to the British military contract revolver orders which came about 4 years later.

The "military" part of the military target description refers only to S&Ws official name for this model with fixed sights: "44 Military Model of 1908".

You're correct, I have no other examples from this group of revolvers that shipped together, but I do have a category "0", to which yours has been added, for all other 44 TL revolvers factory chambered in 455, prior to or during British military orders, but not known to be within the BSR 44 or 455 military serial # ranges that shipped under the contract.

I suspect this group of military target models were ordered by Robinson for US target shooters to compete at Bisley, or possibly by a British team. Although if for English shooters, any that made it across the 'big pond' would likely show Civilian acceptance/proof marks. Yours apparently never left the USA shores, however, except perhaps in a US competitor's shooting bag.

That's not to say that none of these were scooped up by the British Purchasing Commission (as they did myriad US firearms) to eventually end up in the WW I conflict whether on the battlefield or with the English home guard.
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Jim,

This gun is in caliber .44Spl (not marked on the barrel, but verified). I posted in this thread because of the .455 association in the letter. No British proofs on the frame; the cylinder is a replacement. Possibly an American competitor at Bisley? The letter is from 2000. I hope SWHF has more information available than Roy did at that time.

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Hi Bob,

Hmmm, well if not serial numbered on the barrel obviously it's not original along with the cylinder, so I agree they've been replaced, but not by the factory. The revolver most likely was in 455. Yes, possibly an American Bisley competitor that knew the 44 Spl inherent accuracy advantage over the 455.

As stated in the letter, the caliber was not indicated on the shipping record/invoice, so the original caliber will not likely come from Roy. But when the 2000 letter you have was written, I didn't get the impression Roy was told that the barrel and cyl were 44 with no or none matching numbers. So a new letter might be interesting given that knowledge and the 18 years of additional knowledge Roy has obtained.

I too hope the SWHF may have more info, but I'm not encouraged because the archives aren't digitized for all years. And they'd only have info on work the factory did, and we know the barrel and cyl are 44 with no or none matching numbers which confirms it was not done at the factory. But worth a try because if nothing is found, it won't cost you anything.

Robinson's old records if they still exist may be the best source of your revolver's original configuration or changes if Robinson was tasked with getting that work done for a customer, at a local gunsmith they used.

By the way, that .44 7 1/2" barrel is a scarce one!
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Jim,

The barrel is not caliber marked, which is unusual (unheard of?) for a .44spl. But it is serial numbered to the butt, and fired .44spl bullets show no slippage as they would if fired from an oversized barrel. I hope SWHF has further info on this and the .455s from the same group.

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Sorry, I mis-understood about the barrel being serial numbered. That's good, so just the cyl doesn't match.

And yes, very unusual for a 44 barrel not to be caliber marked.
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Jim,

Just found something else, unfortunately with no serial numbers. This came from the notes of the person I bought mine from. It is from Larry/dbwesson to Joe Miller on the old forum. Someone who has a copy of his survivors database may be able to provide s/n.

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Very interesting.

Since your gun was shipped almost 2 years later, it could very well have been an extra one of those earlier frames (also called an 'over-run' frame) with the 'military target' sight, i.e., Bisley Match sight, but assembled as a 44.

Roy's letter does indicate the sights are factory in his letter above. And even states it was manufactured in a group of 455 guns, but he didn't say it shipped with them. I think his assumption that yours was a 455 was based on that, but an incorrect assumption since yours is an original 44, or factory converted to 44 2 years later when an order came in for a Bisley sighted 44 Spl.

How about some close up photos of the rear sight; top and side view?
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I have a mark I Triple Lock 455 Roll marked on left side of barrel Smith & Wesson 455 serial # 12902. No British proof marks.
I also have a Mark II HE with British proof marks roll marked on left side of Barrel Smith & Wesson 455. Serial #43429 it has been converted to 45 ACP.
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Thank you.

Your TL sold commercially to Shapleigh Hardware on December 29, 1917
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.455 British Svc Revolver Research Thread: Caliber stamping of British contract and earlier pre contract commercial .455s categorized by the following production versions, 0. thru 4.

0. "Rare misc. early commercial production 44 TL 1st Models factory chambered in .455."
Including a pre Brit Contract special order TL subset of 25 standard .44 1st Model TLs in the .44 serial # range chambered in .45 Eley with 5” barrels, shipped Nov. 1, 1912. Thx to Jim Fisher for bringing these to our attention and sharing documentation! See #5751 below. Maybe 40 or so misc. 455s total.
A Scarce 5 Inch Triple lock shipped to Canada in April of 1915
4054 – Assembly #1519 - no Cal marking, .455 factory Bisley target model, round non-factory lanyard swivel drilled thru serial #, 7 ½” barrel. Per SCSW these were produced in the ~4100 and 4300 range, so 4054 is close enough.
5751 - Caliber is 45 Eley, shipped in 1912 in a coml order of 25, 5” guns to H. Robitsek, Canada, post #26: A Scarce 5 Inch Triple lock shipped to Canada in April of 1915
7827 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, in Germany

1. “44 Hand Ejector-1st Model” Triple Lock, 812 (666 military & 146 commercially sold) in the 44 Spl # series factory converted to 455. Serial #s are listed in Neal & Jinks S&W 1857 – 1945, Pgs 204-205, known to have been stamped SMITH & WESSON but not including the 455 cal. stamp.

6919 - shipped Oct. 21, 1914, resides in Portugal.
8493 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, minimal military stampings but one of the 666, almost like NIB
9860 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, one of the 23 converted to 45 Colt and sold commercially, shipped to Shapleigh Hardware in St. Louis, MO. on 1/1/1918. : Can you help me identify?

2. “455 Mark II Hand Ejector-1st Model” Triple Lock #1 thru at least #5802* (previously thought to be 5461, and several higher #s in this range shipped commercial).
* “The serial numbers in the .455 Hand Ejector series 5721 - 5802 are all .455 second series triple locks and were all shipped commericial generally to Canada dealers. Hope that this helps.” Roy After this shipment there were some of this model sold commercially all in the 5502 - 5857 range, but including a few military issues in that range as well.

31 – No Cal or SMITH & WESSON Rollmarks, appears to be converted to 45 Colt by shaving the cyl and reaming.
118 – shipped 1914
225 – jmaces57 has a known #225 .44 TL duplicate # owned by mrcvs Finally a Triple-Lock - the Good, the Bad and the Maybe?
263 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, converted to and marked 45 AR
319 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, in Australia Wilcock converted to a 38 target, no English stamps. Canadian broad arrow.
355 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, Factory converted to .45, and refinished R-S in rectangle in Feb 1975.
358 – NO CAL ROLLMARK, (October 1914) converted to shoot 45 Colt by recessing chambers so 455 can still be fired
444 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
489 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
718 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, 1st shipment 10/21/14 of Rem. UMC to England). Aussie gun, Engraved name sandblasted
844 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, Y4505 on frame behind trigger guard, small Interarms over Alexandria, (VA ) on left side of frame below front of cylinder
930 – NO CAL ROLLMARK, cylinder measures 1 5/8"
1055 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, converted to 45 Colt by shaving recoil shield
1709 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
1911 – NO CAL ROLLMARK, not even Smith & Wesson.
1203 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
1510 - No caliber stamp, shipped December 1, 1914, converted to 45 Colt by shaving recoil shield
1549 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
2013 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
2147 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, serial # not drilled thru for Lanyard, from Canada
2373 - NO CAL ROLLMARK from Switzerland, in Germany
2703 – shipped 12/16/14
2747 - NO CAL ROLLMARK converted to .22 Long Rifle Triple Lock sn# 2747 chambered in .22 Long Rifle
2934 - no factory markings on barrel, "Simpson Ltd." markings on butt above serial #
2940 – no cal rollmark,
3075 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
3147 - stamped on right hand side of barrel
3240 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, military markings
3349 - no cal mark
3459 - Shipped 02 September 1913
3628 - NO CAL ROLLMARK converted to .45LC (recessed conversion)
3699 – NO CAL ROLLMARK, original .455 configuration. x-pennants, in & out broad arrows
3863 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
3932 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
4172 - NO CAL ROLLMARK military shipped in 1918
4324 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
4365 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
4534 - NO CAL ROLLMARK in Germany
4907 – NO CAL ROLLMARK shipped Jan 14,1915
5105 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
5253 - No cal marking. British proofs, 6 1/2", lanyard. Shipped Jan. 1915
5462 - 455 barrel is not marked; English crown on barrel
5642 – no caliber marking on barrel, rare commercial shipment in April 1915, converted to 45 Colt:
5724 - NO CAL ROLLMARK 455, 5” single gun shipment April 28,1915, Hurd & Co., Canada A Scarce 5 Inch Triple lock shipped to Canada in April of 1915
5755 - NO CAL ROLLMARK 455, (the highest # known of the 67 duplicates with Category 1 guns above), from Canada.
5788 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, Canadian 6 1/2”, 1 of 5 Com’l shipment June 4, 1915 to Hurd & Co, Canada
5792 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, converted to 45 Colt, no import, proof, etc. marks, sold commercially


3. “455 Mark II Hand Ejector-2nd Model” beginning after ~#5857 (previously thought to be 5462) thru 74755.

5907 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
7766 – NO CAL ROLLMARK ALAN [MURPHYDOG]
8746 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, aftermarket windage-adj-only rear sight blade and SAA Colt style adj front sight blade.
12448 – NO CAL ROLLMARK on barrel
12508 – NO FACTORY CAL ROLLMARK, converted to 45 ACP/RR, stamped ".45AP"
12597 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
12609 – 455 marked, shipped 11/24/16 to Caverrill, Learmony & Co., Montreal, Canada, Lee Jarrett’s: The Young LT's Triple Lock .455
12691 - Roll Marked .455, no foreign proofs or US Import marks that was shipped 2/1917
13XXX – S&W but w/o .455
14337 – NO CAL ROLLMARK 10663 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, shipped to Winch for ammo testing
15543 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
16872 - no caliber roll marking, shipped to Remington Arms on Sept. 23, 1915, British markings
17320 - marked 455 left side
17551 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, found in attic in New Zealand, no English stamps
19171 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
19478 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
21273 - marked .455, shipped to the Canadian Government in Ottawa on October 14, 1915.
21938 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
22425 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
22970 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
25052 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, usual British stamps
26007 – NO CAL ROLLMARK, Nov 1915, sleeved to .38
26161 – not likely marked, the revolver was imported from Canada back in the 1970's
27465 -
27536 - "S & W .455 "Left side of Barrel, back from ctr, cylinder also measures 1 5/8"
28070 - crossed flags only, on the frame at the barrel joint
28339 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, Marked 3MD on backstrap, location Australia
28839 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
29198 - caliber marked, Located in Germany
29321 – cal marked, broad arrows (accepted into and ‘deassessioned’ out of inventory), crown on heel; shipped to Ottawa, CA 12-4-15 marks here post # 5: S&W HE MK II .455 Canadian Military Marking Question
29515 - left side barrel is marked SMITH & WESSON .455, shipped in December of 1915
29954 - stamped 455, British acceptance stamps and, I think, Australian unit stamp.
30414 – cal marked 455 shipped Dec. 16, 1915 to Remington Arms-Union Metallic Cartridge in NY
30825 - marked "Smith & Wesson .455" on barrel, "Simpson Ltd." import markings on butt above serial #
31138 – stamped left hand side
31184 – STAMPED .455
31739 - marked 455 left side
31776 - LH side of barrel roll marked "Smith & Wesson .455.
31782 - caliber marked, converted to 45 ACP Cylinder faced off, in Germany
33498 - caliber marked
33814 – caliber marked, possibly converted to .45 Colt
35064 - roll marked .455 on barrel Canadian C circle arrow marked
35284 - roll marked .455 on barrel
35711 - roll marked .455 on L side of bbl, shipped on Jan 6, 1916
36322 - marked 455, and London Armory very small bottom side of the barrel
36804 - roll marked .455
3680X - roll marked .455, shipped Jan 6, 1916
37063 - roll marked .455
37923 - roll marked on left side of barrel
39XXX - roll marked .455, converted to 45 Colt the best way, and dull hard chromed
39738 - roll marked .455 on barrel x-pennants, in & out broad arrows
40096 - marked .455
41770 – marked .455
41779 – marked .455
41893 – was marked .455, converted & re-stamped 45 Colt in place, February 3, 1916 shipped to Remington UMC
42922 - marked .455, deactivated, on Boham’s auction, England
42949 – marked .455, converted to 45 Colt recessed
43067 - marked .455. on left side of the barrel
43429 – Smith & Wesson 455.
44291 – Smith & Wesson 455.
45484 - roll marked on left side of barrel
46748 – NO CAL ROLLMARK factory 45 Colt from the group of 15
52340 – 455 STAMPED
52908 - shipped April 1916 455 STAMPED. All three went to England.
53433 - Caliber marked "SMITH & WESSON .455, Crown over poorly stamped O on the butt
53468 - marked .455 on LS of barrel.
54795 – marked 455 on LS, assembly # on the butt upside down. Posts #203, 209 & 211 in this thread.
56050 – marked .455 left side
56167 - Smith & Wesson .455 left side of barrel.
56603 - marked .455 left side
57387 - NO CAL ROLLMARK shipped to Rem UMC for Great Britain
58252 – Marked S&W .455., 99%, Commercial, 1 of 1105 shipped Dec. 1917 to Shapleigh Hardware, King front sight, pre war S&W 2 screw adj rear sight, .455 Second with factory target rear sight.
58547 - 455 stamped. shipped May 1916 “
59045 - shipped May 1916 “
59365 - caliber marked
61801 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
62941 - marked 455 LH Side
63279 - stamped Smith and Wesson .455. on left side
64344 - .455 from Shapleigh Dec 1917
65305 - left side of barrel: Smith & Wesson .455., cyl shaved for 45 ACP/AR
66549 - caliber marked, in Germany
66573 - marked Smith & Wesson .455.
66860 - 455 marking, shipped to Shapleigh Hardware Dec 1917
67691 - stamped .455 coml. gun shipped to Shapleigh Hardware in Dec 1917
68995 -
69234 - marked Smith & Wesson .455, no martial markings or British proofs, commercially shipped
Dec 1917, to Shapleigh Hardware
69296 – Mine, Roll marked 455, converted to 45 with charge holes, drilled to smooth bore
69789 – S&W 455 marked, went to Canada
728XX – 455 marking, shipped 7/29/16, to Canadian Government, Ottawa, Canada, converted to 45 Colt
73536 - 455 marking
73670 – Roll marked 455, converted to 45 Colt
73778 – roll mark left side originally .455, now re-chambered to .45 Colt with a Micro adjustable sight
74301 – One of 724 chambered in 45 Colt shipped 5/4/1917 to Canada for the RNWMP via Phelps Dodge Mining Co.
74744 - NOT CAL ROLLMARKED factory 45 Colt, one of the 724 shipped May 4, 1917 to the Phelps Dodge Mining Co. in New York, NY, an import/export co. and owner of the Copper Queen Mine in Arizona where it was headquartered in the late 19th century.
74755 – highest # 2nd model thought to have been made, shipped 1915-17.


4. “44 Hand Ejector-1st Model” Triple Lock 691 assembled at the end of the British contract but sold on the commercial market 1916-17, built from remaining TL frames and numbered in the 44 Spl # series ~ 12,000 – 14,XXX range. (Although some are known to have been shipped to or wound up in England).

12459 - cal marked, from CAN, no Gov’t stampings,
124XX – cal marked, no martial stamps
12493 - Left side of barrel marked Smith & Wesson 455
12496 – cal marked, British ordinance marks for acceptance into military Svc
12609 - shipped to Montreal, Canada in Nov 1916
12618 - stamped .455 (British proofs)
12685 - stamped .455 (British proofs)
12740 - Smith & Wesson .455, no British marks. Factory lettered as shipped to Shapleigh Hardware
12742 – stamped, likely one of the 691 "Spare Parts" TL's produced in 1916 and possibly one of 325 shipped to Shapleigh Hardware, St Louis, MO on December 29, 1917, has been nickeled.
12750 - Marked Smith & Wesson .455. No British stamps, produced in 1916, one of 325 shipped to Shapleigh Hardware, St Louis, MO Dec. 29, 1917
12768 - Marked Smith & Wesson .455. No British stamps, produced in 1916
12787 – Marked Smith & Wesson 455, commercially sold to Shapleigh Hardware on Dec. 29, 1917, borderless logo
12833 – Roll Marked .455, no foreign proofs, Com’l model
12860 - Left side of barrel marked Smith & Wesson 455
129XX - Left side of barrel marked Smith & Wesson 455
12902 - Smith & Wesson 455, no British marks
12910 – cal marked, commercial
12973 – cal marked
12996 – one of 300 commercially shipped Dec 6, 1916 to Bigelow & Co.
14980 – cal marked TL 455 shipped commercially 12/19/1917 to Shapleigh Hardware (see file on this one.)
15055 - TL marked 455, no Brit marks - one of the 160 units shipped to Shapleigh Hardware on Dec. 29th, 1917, and numbered in the 44 serial # range, not shipped to England, even commercially.
NO # - NOS barrel only marked SMITH & WESSON .455
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Jim, you mentioned the disposal of the RCMP New Service revolvers. I own one that was sold to a RCMP inspector.




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Dang Terry,

That's one fine gun and one fine 'package'!

Congrats!
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Jim, I received my reply for #15055 triple lock, .455 cal. It is one of the 160 units shipped to Shapleigh Hardware on Dec. 29th, 1917. This date is neat to me for that is only four months after my father was born! He passed away at 93 years old a few years back. It was one of the 160 contract revolvers built for the English Government, but not delivered. They were sold out of inventory to meet the demand for large caliber revolvers at the beginning of WW1. If you wish some photos of the revolver, with the help of my wife I can probably send some off to you. Best regards, JM

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Jim, I received my reply for #15055 triple lock, .455 cal. It is one of the 160 units shipped to Shapleigh Hardware on Dec. 29th, 1917. This date is neat to me for that is only four months after my father was born! He passed away at 93 years old a few years back. It was one of the 160 contract revolvers built for the English Government, but not delivered. They were sold out of inventory to meet the demand for large caliber revolvers at the beginning of WW1. If you wish some photos of the revolver, with the help of my wife I can probably send some off to you. Best regards, JM
Awesome! Thx very much and congrats! Not many of those confirmed. I added it to the updated study info post above.
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Second Model, S/N 36804 roll stamped 'Smith & Wesson .455' on LHS of barrel.

Crossed pennants on yoke, stamp on butt. No other markings.

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Second Model, S/N 36804 roll stamped 'Smith & Wesson .455' on LHS of barrel.

Crossed pennants on yoke, stamp on butt. No other markings.
Thx, that one shipped in a group Jan 6, 1916.
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I recently picked up serial number 489 and the barrel lacks a caliber roll mark.

If am missing any info let me know!
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I recently picked up serial number 489 and the barrel lacks a caliber roll mark.

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Thank you, it's the 3rd lowest s/n in my database.

It's a version 2 Triple Lock:

2. “.455 Mark II HE - 1st Model TL” in the new .455 British serial # range 1 to ~5800 [H of S&W pg. 201] assembled 1914-15. Thus creating 63 duplicate serial #s with the 666 1st version in #1. above in the “.44 HE 1st Model TL” .455 conversion serial number range.
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I have a .455 Hand Ejector MK.II #16872 that was shipped to Remington Arms on Sept. 23, 1915. It has no caliber roll marking but does exhibit the usual Enfield inspector's mark on the rear L/S frame plus the crossed pennant mark on the barrel re-enforce, same side.

The gun was given to me by a late friend in England who sent it over here to avoid surrendering it to his government in 1998.
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.455 British Svc Revolver Research Thread: Caliber stamping of British contract and earlier pre contract commercial .455s categorized by the following production versions, 0. thru 4.

0. "Rare misc. early commercial production 44 TL 1st Models factory chambered in .455."
Including a pre Brit Contract special order TL subset of 25 standard .44 1st Model TLs in the .44 serial # range chambered in .45 Eley with 5” barrels, shipped Nov. 1, 1912. Thx to Jim Fisher for bringing these to our attention and sharing documentation! See #5751 below. Maybe 40 or so misc. 455s total.
A Scarce 5 Inch Triple lock shipped to Canada in April of 1915
4054 – no Cal marking, Assembly #1519 -.455 factory Bisley target model, drift rear sight, 7 1/2", no medallion grips, order of 25 shipped 6/10/1909 Charles Osborne & Co., Birmingham, England, round non-factory lanyard swivel drilled thru serial #, Per SCSW these were produced in the ~4100 and 4300 range, so 4054 is close enough. Need help identifying and old S&W Revolver
5751 - Caliber is 45 Eley, shipped in 1912 in a coml order of 25, 5” guns to H. Robitsek, Canada, post #26: A Scarce 5 Inch Triple lock shipped to Canada in April of 1915
7827 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, in Germany

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1. “44 Hand Ejector-1st Model” Triple Lock, 812 (666 military & 146 commercially sold) in the 44 Spl # series factory converted to 455. Serial #s are listed in Neal & Jinks S&W 1857 – 1945, Pgs 204-205, known to have been stamped SMITH & WESSON but not including the 455 cal. stamp.

5755 - NO CAL ROLLMARK 455, (the highest # known of the 67 duplicates with Category 2 guns below), Letter: Post #339 here: .455 British Svc Revolver Research Thread
6919 - shipped Oct. 21, 1914, resides in Portugal.
8493 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, minimal military stampings but one of the 666, almost like NIB
9860 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, one of the 23 converted to 45 Colt and sold commercially, shipped to Shapleigh Hardware in St. Louis, MO. on 1/1/1918. : Can you help me identify?

2. “455 Mark II Hand Ejector-1st Model” Triple Lock #1 thru at least #5802* (previously thought to be 5461, and several higher #s in this range shipped commercial).
* “The serial numbers in the .455 Hand Ejector series 5721 - 5802 are all .455 second series triple locks and were all shipped commercial generally to Canada dealers. Hope that this helps.” Roy After this shipment there were some of this model sold commercially all in the 5502 - 5857 range, but including a few military issues in that range as well.

31 – No Cal or SMITH & WESSON Rollmarks, appears to be converted to 45 Colt by shaving the cyl are reaming.
118 – shipped 1914
225 – jmaces57 has a known #225 .44 TL duplicate # owned by mrcvs Finally a Triple-Lock - the Good, the Bad and the Maybe?
263 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, converted to and marked 45 AR
319 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, in Australia Wilcock converted to a 38 target, no English stamps. Canadian broad arrow.
355 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, Factory converted to .45, and refinished R-S in rectangle in Feb 1975.
358 – NO CAL ROLLMARK, (October 1914) converted to shoot 45 Colt by recessing chambers so 455 can still be fired
444 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
489 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
718 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, 1st shipment 10/21/14 of Rem. UMC to England). Aussie gun, Engraved name sandblasted
844 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, Y4505 on frame behind trigger guard, small Interarms over Alexandria, (VA ) on left side of frame below front of cylinder
930 – NO CAL ROLLMARK, cylinder measures 1 5/8"
1055 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, converted to 45 Colt by shaving recoil shield
1709 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
1911 – NO CAL ROLLMARK, not even Smith & Wesson.
1203 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
1510 - No caliber stamp, shipped December 1, 1914, converted to 45 Colt by shaving recoil shield
1549 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
1723 - No Cal or SMITH & WESSON Rollmarks, round butted and re-blued
2013 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
2147 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, serial # not drilled thru for Lanyard, from Canada
2373 - NO CAL ROLLMARK from Switzerland, in Germany
2703 – shipped 12/16/14
2747 - NO CAL ROLLMARK converted to .22 Long Rifle Triple Lock sn# 2747 chambered in .22 Long Rifle
2934 - no factory markings on barrel, "Simpson Ltd." markings on butt above serial #
2940 – no cal rollmark,
3075 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
3147 - stamped on right hand side of barrel
3240 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, military markings
3349 - no cal mark
3459 - Shipped 02 September 1913
3628 - NO CAL ROLLMARK converted to .45LC (recessed conversion)
3699 – NO CAL ROLLMARK, original .455 configuration. x-pennants, in & out broad arrows
3863 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
3932 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
4172 - NO CAL ROLLMARK military shipped in 1918
4324 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
4365 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
4534 - NO CAL ROLLMARK in Germany
4907 – NO CAL ROLLMARK shipped Jan 14,1915
5105 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
5253 - No cal marking. British proofs, 6 1/2", lanyard. Shipped Jan. 1915
5462 - 455 barrel is not marked; English crown on barrel
5642 – no caliber marking on barrel, rare commercial shipment in April 1915, converted to 45 Colt:
5724 - NO CAL ROLLMARK 455, 5” single gun shipment April 28,1915, Hurd & Co., Canada A Scarce 5 Inch Triple lock shipped to Canada in April of 1915
5755 - NO CAL ROLLMARK 455, (the highest # known of the 67 duplicates with Category 1 guns above), from Canada. Letter: Post #339 here: .455 British Svc Revolver Research Thread
5788 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, Canadian 6 1/2”, 1 of 5 Com’l shipment June 4, 1915 to Hurd & Co, Canada
5792 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, converted to 45 Colt, no import, proof, etc. marks, sold commercially


3. “455 Mark II Hand Ejector-2nd Model” beginning after ~#5857 (previously thought to be 5462) thru 74755.

5907 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
7766 – NO CAL ROLLMARK ALAN [MURPHYDOG]
8746 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, aftermarket windage-adj-only rear sight blade and SAA Colt style adj front sight blade.
12448 – NO CAL ROLLMARK on barrel
12508 – NO FACTORY CAL ROLLMARK, converted to 45 ACP/RR, stamped ".45AP"
12597 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
12609 – 455 marked, shipped 11/24/16 to Caverrill, Learmony & Co., Montreal, Canada, Lee Jarrett’s: The Young LT's Triple Lock .455
12691 - Roll Marked .455, no foreign proofs or US Import marks that was shipped 2/1917
13XXX – S&W but w/o .455
14337 – NO CAL ROLLMARK 10663 - NO CTG ROLLMARK, shipped to Winch for ammo testing
15543 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
16872 - no caliber roll marking, shipped to Remington Arms on Sept. 23, 1915, British markings
17320 - marked 455 left side
17551 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, found in attic in New Zealand, no English stamps
19171 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
19478 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
21273 - marked .455, shipped to the Canadian Government in Ottawa on October 14, 1915.
21938 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
22425 - NO CAL ROLLMARK
22970 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
25052 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, usual British stamps
26007 – NO CAL ROLLMARK, Nov 1915, sleeved to .38
26161 – not likely marked, the revolver was imported from Canada back in the 1970's
27465 -
27536 - "S & W .455 "Left side of Barrel, back from ctr, cylinder also measures 1 5/8"
28070 - crossed flags only, on the frame at the barrel joint
28339 - NO CAL ROLLMARK, Marked 3MD on backstrap, location Australia
28839 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
29198 - caliber marked, Located in Germany
29321 – cal marked, broad arrows (accepted into and ‘deassessioned’ out of inventory), crown on heel; shipped to Ottawa, CA 12-4-15 marks here post # 5: S&W HE MK II .455 Canadian Military Marking Question
29515 - left side barrel is marked SMITH & WESSON .455, shipped in December of 1915
29954 - stamped 455, British acceptance stamps and, I think, Australian unit stamp.
30414 – cal marked 455 shipped Dec. 16, 1915 to Remington Arms-Union Metallic Cartridge in NY
30825 - marked "Smith & Wesson .455" on barrel, "Simpson Ltd." import markings on butt above serial #
31138 – stamped left hand side
31184 – STAMPED .455
31739 - marked 455 left side
31776 - LH side of barrel roll marked "Smith & Wesson .455.
31782 - caliber marked, converted to 45 ACP Cylinder faced off, in Germany
33498 - caliber marked
33814 – caliber marked, possibly converted to .45 Colt
35064 - roll marked .455 on barrel Canadian C circle arrow marked
35284 - roll marked .455 on barrel
35711 - roll marked .455 on L side of bbl, shipped on Jan 6, 1916
36322 - marked 455, and London Armory very small bottom side of the barrel
36804 - roll marked .455
3680X - roll marked .455, shipped Jan 6, 1916
37063 - roll marked .455
37923 - roll marked on left side of barrel
39XXX - roll marked .455, converted to 45 Colt the best way, and dull hard chromed
39738 - roll marked .455 on barrel x-pennants, in & out broad arrows
40096 - marked .455
41770 – marked .455
41779 – marked .455
41893 – was marked .455, converted & re-stamped 45 Colt in place, February 3, 1916 shipped to Remington UMC
42922 - marked .455, deactivated, on Boham’s auction, England
42949 – marked .455, converted to 45 Colt recessed
43067 - marked "Smith & Wesson .455" on left side of the barrel
43429 – Smith & Wesson .455
43807 – Smith & Wesson .455
44291 – Smith & Wesson .455
45484 - roll marked on left side of barrel
46748 – NO CAL ROLLMARK factory 45 Colt from the group of 15
52340 – 455 STAMPED
52908 - shipped April 1916 455 STAMPED. All three went to England.
53433 - Caliber marked "SMITH & WESSON .455, Crown over O on the butt, shipped 7/4/1916 to Canadian Govt
53468 - marked .455 on LS of barrel.
54795 – marked 455 on LS, assembly # on the butt upside down. Posts #203, 209 & 211 in this thread.
56050 – marked .455 left side
56167 - Smith & Wesson .455 left side of barrel.
56603 - marked .455 left side
57387 - NO CAL ROLLMARK shipped to Rem UMC for Great Britain
58252 – Marked S&W .455., 99%, Commercial, 1 of 1105 shipped Dec. 1917 to Shapleigh Hardware, King front sight, pre war S&W 2 screw adj rear sight, .455 Second with factory target rear sight.
58547 - 455 stamped. shipped May 1916 “
59045 - shipped May 1916 “
59365 - caliber marked
61801 – NO CAL ROLLMARK
62941 - marked 455 LH Side
63279 - stamped Smith and Wesson .455. on left side
64344 - .455 from Shapleigh Dec 1917
65305 - left side of barrel: Smith & Wesson .455., cyl shaved for 45 ACP/AR
66078 - left side of barrel: Smith & Wesson .455, shipped July 1916
66549 - caliber marked, in Germany
66573 - marked Smith & Wesson .455.
66860 - 455 marking, shipped to Shapleigh Hardware Dec 1917
67691 - stamped .455 coml. gun shipped to Shapleigh Hardware in Dec 29, 1917
68995 -
69234 - marked Smith & Wesson .455, no martial markings or British proofs, commercially shipped
Dec 1917, to Shapleigh Hardware
69296 – Mine, Roll marked 455, converted to 45 with charge holes, drilled to smooth bore, I converted it to a Triple Lock for the .45 S&W Special cartridge
69789 – S&W 455 marked, went to Canada
70XXX - S&W 455 marked, no military or import marks
71989 - marked Smith & Wesson .455
728XX – Smith & Wesson .455, shipped 7/29/16, to Canadian Government, Ottawa, Canada, converted to 45 Colt
73536 - 455 marking
73670 – Roll marked Smith & Wesson .455, converted to 45 Colt
73778 – roll mark left side Smith & Wesson .455, now re-chambered to .45 Colt with a Micro adjustable sight
74301 – One of 724 chambered in 45 Colt shipped 5/4/1917 to Canada for the RNWMP via Phelps Dodge Mining Co.
74744 - NOT CAL ROLLMARKED, factory 45 Colt, one of the 724 shipped May 4, 1917 to the Phelps Dodge Mining Co. in New York, NY, an import/export co. and owner of the Copper Queen Mine in Arizona where it was headquartered in the late 19th century.
74755 – highest # 2nd model thought to have been made, shipped 1915-17.


4. “44 Hand Ejector-1st Model” Triple Lock chambered in .455: 691 assembled into .445s at the end of the British contract but sold on the commercial market 1916-17, built from remaining TL frames and numbered in the 44 Spl # series ~ 12,000 – 14,XXX range. Although some are known to have been shipped to or wound up in England.

12459 - cal marked, from CAN, no Gov’t stampings
124XX – cal marked, no martial stamps
12493 - Left side of barrel marked Smith & Wesson 455
12496 – cal marked, British ordinance marks for acceptance into military; old TL inventory made 1914, shipped to commercial dealers in England, this one to Bigelow & Co, London, order of 300 revolvers, 12/6/16
12609 - shipped to Montreal, Canada in Nov 1916
12618 - stamped .455 (British proofs)
12646 – also went to Bigelow & Co, London
12685 - stamped .455 (British proofs)
12740 - Smith & Wesson .455, no British marks. Factory lettered as shipped to Shapleigh Hardware
12742 – stamped, likely one of the 691 "Spare Parts" TL's produced in 1916 and possibly one of 325 shipped to Shapleigh Hardware, St Louis, MO on December 29, 1917, has been nickeled. But see #12496 above.
12750 - Marked Smith & Wesson .455. No British stamps, produced in 1916, one of 325 shipped to Shapleigh Hardware, St Louis, MO Dec. 29, 1917
12768 - Marked Smith & Wesson .455. No British stamps, produced in 1916
12787 – Marked Smith & Wesson 455, commercially sold to Shapleigh Hardware on Dec. 29, 1917, borderless logo
12833 – Roll Marked .455, no foreign proofs, Com’l model
12860 - Left side of barrel marked Smith & Wesson 455
129XX - Left side of barrel marked Smith & Wesson 455
12902 - Smith & Wesson 455, no British marks
12910 – cal marked, commercial
12973 – cal marked
14752 – Grips Only
14980 – cal marked TL 455 shipped commercially 12/19/1917 to Shapleigh Hardware (see file on this one.)
15055 - TL marked 455, no Brit marks - one of the 160 units shipped to Shapleigh Hardware on Dec. 29th, 1917, and numbered in the 44 serial # range, not shipped to England, even commercially.
NO # - NOS barrel only marked SMITH & WESSON .455
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Thanks for your efforts . . . please include in your study data the following .455 Mk II s/n 41893 that shipped February 3, 1916 to Remington UMC for the British Government. It does not have a factory caliber stamp but is stamped on the left side of the barrel .45 COLT by whoever did the caliber conversion.

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Whoever did the stamping on linde's .455 to .45 Colt conversion did a very good job. The letters are pretty close to what S&W did with their roll stamp. Most look like they were done by a blind monkey with palsy. Please note that I didn't say a GORILLA.
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Jim, thank you for the updated roster in post #233.

In case you'd like to add a note, .455 TL no. 358 has been converted to .45 Colt in the thoughtful manner that allows it to shoot the .455 round as well.
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Thanks for your efforts . . . please include in your study data the following .455 Mk II s/n 41893 that shipped February 3, 1916 to Remington UMC for the British Government. It does not have a factory caliber stamp but is stamped on the left side of the barrel .45 COLT by whoever did the caliber conversion.

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Yes it's there in group 3. It surely was marked 455 because it's in the middle of the period when they all were. It looks like it was removed, the nice 45 Colt stamp added and then cold blued which has worn off.
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I recently picked up serial number 489 and the barrel lacks a caliber roll mark.

If am missing any info let me know!
Thank you! It's on the list probably by a previous owner.
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Jim, thank you for the updated roster in post #233.

In case you'd like to add a note, .455 TL no. 358 has been converted to .45 Colt in the thoughtful manner that allows it to shoot the .455 round as well.
David, that info has been added including in post #233.

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This should help you pin down the early end of your third category of .455 Hand Ejector. SN 5907, caliber .455 Colt/Eley/Webley Mk I but no caliber marking; crossed pennants on left frame ahead of cylinder and on back of cylinder, small broad arrow and British proof on left side of knuckle. Finish is mostly gone to brown, but great mechanics and bore.

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This should help you pin down the early end of your third category of .455 Hand Ejector. SN 5907, caliber .455 Colt/Eley/Webley Mk I but no caliber marking; crossed pennants on left frame ahead of cylinder and on back of cylinder, small broad arrow and British proof on left side of knuckle. Finish is mostly gone to brown, but great mechanics and bore.

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Yes that's the earliest so far in the 3rd category.
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I finally joined your ranks folks with what would be Category 3. Ist Model Triple Lock #12740. Marked Smith & Wesson .455. on left side of barrel. Factory letter puts it as one of the Shapleigh Hardware guns. No visible numbers on inside of grip panels.

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Mine is # 5253, british proofs, 6 1/2", Lanyard.No cal marking. Shipped 1 1915. JIM
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Glad to see this thread get kicked back up into my feed. Arguably my favorite thread going here on the forum.
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I finally joined your ranks folks with what would be Category 3. Ist Model Triple Lock #12740. Marked Smith & Wesson .455. on left side of barrel. Factory letter puts it as one of the Shapleigh Hardware guns.
Thank you! That is actually a Category 4. 1st Model TL. And lived its entire life in the USA as a 'civilian'!
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Thx for the additional info on your #3424 which indicates it's a Triple Lock, 455 HE - 1st Model, it's a very interesting example.

It having the front sight regulated for 100 yards has resulted in the very high POI at 50 feet as you are aware. It would have shot to point of aim at that range in factory configuration. A previous owner has certainly made changes for their specific needs.

1. Does the barrel have a shroud under the barrel for the Extractor rod? And does it still have a functioning third lock at the front of the yoke? If so, I'm very curious about where a # 10,001 triple Lock barrel in 45 caliber came from!

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2. The cyl was converted to 45 Colt in a very professional manner, still allowing the use of the original 455 cartridges. Does the cyl retain the #3424 serial # matching the gun?

3. Since the serial is removed from the butt, where else on the gun do you find the # 3424?

4. The grips are interesting to say the least and another question is how are they held on the grip frame w/o a center screw?
Very didactic, clear and neat photographs!!! Thank you for sharing this pictures, this is a very good discussion on "rare" triple lock S&W revolvers!!!!....
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This is the only Triple Lock I own. A British Contract gun serial number 4178 which was issued to Capt. Leonard Francis Cass of the 7th Royal Sussex Regiment, British Army. He was killed by a sniper at Festubert France on on 12-13-15.
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moosedog,

Wow that's a stunner! Good documentation too. I'd love to know where it went from 12-13-15 and how it returned stateside.

It has no proof stamps normally required for export thru official channels depending on when it came back across the big pond.

Likely by unofficial means which is cool because it's not all stamped up. Just enough marks to show where it was issued and trace to whom.

Thx for sharing your 455 with us and contributing to the research!
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Jim,
You can add 1055 to the list of category number 2.
It has no barrel caliber markings. It has 2 Brit proof's similar to moosedogs gun shown in above posting.
It has been converted to 45 long colt along the way.
Thank you for all the hard work and contribution to this forum!
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