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I have a 357 reg magnum with certificate
I have a 357 ref magnum with box,tools ,registration, and JInks letter.thought I should let history buffs know. It's beautiful. Extra grips. Sheriff badges,mailing tube and original booklet. Value.?
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No disrespect but you need to give to get. Without pictures and more details (numbers), configuration, letter, etc. it is like getting a haircut over the phone.
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I have a 357 reg magnum with box,tools ,registration, and JInks letter.thought I should let history buffs know. It's beautiful. Extra grips. Sheriff badges,mailing tube and original booklet. Value.?
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Post a few photos and we can give you our thoughts...
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I have a 357 ref magnum with box,tools ,registration, and JInks letter.thought I should let history buffs know. It's beautiful. Extra grips. Sheriff badges,mailing tube and original booklet. Value.?
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Welcome to the Forum.
Please provide pictures and all of the numbers, markings, etc that you can see.
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357 reg magnum
Thank you inherited from my grampa who used to stake out Dillinger. Cert no.2787.orig box mailing tube,tools,orig pamphlet, grips, not a gun guy but I understand it's importance. Will try to figure out how to post pics.
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Here are the pictures.
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All I can say is "WOW!!!!!!"
While it is pretty optimistic, your revolver was sighted at the factory for 100 yards. I have hit gallon milk jugs at 100 yards using a 6" barreled M28 Highway Patrolman. Of course, I was shooting from a rest, over sand bags.
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Miley any idea as to value? Don't think I could sell tho. Ur a vet?
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It is unusual that it was sighted for 100 yards with .38 Special, not .357 Magnum. And that it has the old style stocks with grip adapter.
I strongly encourage you to contact the SWHF to see what other documents they have on the gun. There's no charge if they don't find anything but they may unlock a treasure trove of documents and correspondence. Beautiful gun!
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Your grandpa had excellent tastes!!! That looks to be one of the more beautiful 5" RM packages out there. I would expect that when you said you had the booklet you were referring to the brochure that looked like this:
If the letter confirms everything that we see and the condition is 98%+ as it appears in the photos, I would expect that your RM package would be worth somewhere in the $8K to $15K range. The screwdriver alone is worth $500-$1,000, the box is worth somewhere in the $1K range, the grip adapter is worth somewhere in the $500 range, and the tube and certificate are worth a bunch all by themselves. You have a beautiful package that has a bunch of family history and I would not sell it for any amount of money. But if you did want to sell it, there would be a ready market, with many of us wanting to add it to our collections.
Thanks for sharing the photos,
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Super ".357" Magnum with all the accessories and correct as shipped. Concerning value, the starting point is $12,500 as you rarely see a complete package like yours.
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I'll go with Doc44's value of $12,500 and up. I'm glad you are going to keep it in the family.
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Outstanding package, to have a RM is special enough but to have it with everything it left the factory with is unbelievable. Would also recommend a factory letter and also contacting the Smith&Wesson Historical Foundation, for further information about your wonderful revolver....
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All I can say is wow.
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To put the value in context, there were only about 5,500 Registered Magnums produced. To find one in original finish without significant wear is unusual; the original accessories, box and contents ever more so; then the registration certificate (your grandfather had to request that separately). Finally, having the law enforcement and family history of the original owner...I would not be at all surprised if it would bring $15-20,000.
Of course, with that family connection it is truly priceless, as you will never have your grandfather's gun back once it is sold.
The second link in this is for the SWHF research; the first link is for the letter of authenticity, which you need before the research process starts. I sincerely hope you will pursue this!
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How's that for a fire-cracker special, happy 4th of July young man, your Grandpa would be proud that he left you with such a "priceless piece" hope you are able to cherish it the rest of your life, though at that money it would be "tempting"!
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As already stated, Very Nice Gun. About as good as it gets for a S&W collector.
So how many PMs have you gotten expressing interest in buying it?
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Can you please share a little more history on the gun?
Was your Grandpa the Sheriff or Deputy?
Do you know anything about Thomas Ryder (the guy that it was registered to)?
Can you post a photo of the extra grips?
Note: the black grip-like contraption in your photo is a grip adapter that installs under the grips - like this one:
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All I can say is "WOW!!!!!!"
While it is pretty optimistic, your revolver was sighted at the factory for 100 yards. I have hit gallon milk jugs at 100 yards using a 6" barreled M28 Highway Patrolman. Of course, I was shooting from a rest, over sand bags.
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In the field, you may find the two-handed seated position shown by Keith to let you do that.
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Wow! Talk about historical provenance with the law enforcement connection not to mention it's a family gun! With the whole package plus some S&W historical research and any letters/pics/articles about your grandpa I can see this gun easily in the $15-20k range. If I was the dealer selling/consigning this package I wouldn't sell it for anything less.
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In the field, you may find the two-handed seated position shown by Keith to let you do that.
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Forty years ago, back when my eyesight was better, I used Elmer's sitting positions and could hit small targets.
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Thats just neater than a whole litter of Labrador puppies. I'm glad for you that it was passed down to you from you grandfather. By all means do your due diligence by corresponding with the SWHF and get your letter from Mr. Jinks. The folks on this forum will be of the utmost help to you in regards to any questions you may have and some of the information you have may be of value to a number of the guys that are keeping records for their own personal interest. That is a truly beautiful firearm, with a terrific provenance.
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Sighted in at 100 yards. In the early 1970's, I patroled with a partner who was a little odd at times. On our first night working together, we received a call to a "shooting in progress, multiple shots fired", in a crime ridden neighborhood where fire fights were not unusual. We were armed with Model 19's and MI Carbines with plenty of ammo and an absolute fearlessness of young LEO. We were about 2 minutes from arriving when he looked at me and stated " if we get in a firefight and you see me running to the rear, its because my revolver is sighted in for 100 yards". We arrived at the call and resolved it without a gunfight and after returning to the patrol car, he started laughing and and thought it was amusing. I loaded him up and returned to central where the desk sgt. found him some other officer to ride with. Just a little true story.
That is a beautiful registered magnum that gun guy and police collector would lust after.
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WOW!! For the gun and package itself, there can't be many better. To add value for the future, try to find as much documentation, newspaper clippings, photos, family stories, as you can to compile in a notebook. You have a unique opportunity to truly have a "complete" package for yourself and future generations. Good luck with your search, through it you will get to know your Grampa better and honor him through preserving his legacy. When you do get some of the info together, please share it with us, we would like to learn of your Grampa's and his S&W's story.
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Wow, what a piece of history you have there!
No matter what the value of it is, and offers made for it, that would remain with me until the day I die!
I hope you have a family member, to pass it on to, that will respect it's history as well.
Thank for sharing and I hope you share more about your grandfather, and the handgun, as you can.
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If this was anything other than a gun it would be worth 3 or 4 times the 15-20,000 dollars. For some reason valuable antique guns do not bring the values that other collectables do..
Keep this magnificent piece of history in your family. Make sure that when you are gone it stays with the family
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If this was anything other than a gun it would be worth 3 or 4 times the 15-20,000 dollars. For some reason valuable antique guns do not bring the values that other collectables do..
Keep this magnificent piece of history in your family. Make sure that when you are gone it stays with the family
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15k is still a chunk of change,not like it's a $700-1000 Model 27,where the sale money could be disappear on nonsense in an instant. I don't subscribe to the notion of never selling a gun or family heirloom.I keep things because they fit my interests,not for sentimentality,and my parents,may they RIP, would agree with me on that. If the OP isn't into guns as he says,if his kids don't have the interest,why not put the loot into something else that they would enjoy right now? The time to live is now,not in the nebulous future.We don't know the extent of his resources.15k could be a life changer...or not. That said,and noting that I also don't subscribe to the is whole investment notion of guns-I own them simply because I enjoy them-nothing else-that RM is probably the safest thing to squirrel away as an investment.Just wipe it down with oil from time to time.
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I'd look into having the barrel cut down to 3"; they really balance perfectly at that length, and conceal easier for carry.
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I see references online to Sheriff Thomas Ryder of Dubuque in 1934and 1937 newspapers.
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Looking for the green button! Absolutely cool to me for the simple past and the stories it could tell...well you know what I mean. Judging by these guys on here you have a real gem and selling is always up to you. I have some things that will never leave my family hopefully. 54 World Series Indians team signed baseball sat in dresser for 50 years and has four all stars and HOF players dad gave me on my 37 bday. Goes to my son one day but life happens and if one needs money well there is always a home
And for a package like that seems like an easy sell. Thank you for sharing
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Wow thanks for the info gents! My grampa was Thomas Ryder.he was the sheriff of Dubuque county in the 30's. I was told he never had to fire the gun on duty. Dillinger would rob a Chicago bank and my grampa and his deputies were assigned to watch 2 bridges over the Mississippi. They never saw him.apparently PE #1 would cross back into northern Iowa thru wisc and minn.he died long b4 I was born but I was very close to Gram. Mom lived above the jail and the deputies taught her how to ride a bike. Gram cooked for the deputies and the inmates.they were mostly in for bootlegging.i am very interested in any newspaper articles you can share.my mom would be so happy to read about her dad.what kind of oil do I use?ok to shoot it?got 2 Ltrs from r Jinks.trying to locate holster and his checker bd. jail is now a museum.thanks
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Thanks for coming back...many of us can now exhale .
If you already have the history letter from Mr. Jinks (documenting the ship date and destination of the gun), you can request the SWHF records search on it. There was a paper trail associated with each RM order and your grandfather's handwriting may very well show up. There is no charge to you if nothing is found but I would bet something will turn up.
Any modern gun oil will work on the internals; I would use Renaissance brand Pre-Lim and Wax on the exterior surfaces. I would then store it in a padded, breathable case, even if you find the holster (easier on the finish that way). Thanks again for posting!
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That's very cool, CONGRATS.......................
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Congrats on owning such a beautiful firearm your grandpa must have trusted you would take care of it . Thanks for posting and shareing with us not only your firearm but some of your family history
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Someone said it was sighted in with just 38 Specials but please note the certificate said "38 S&W Special Hi Velocity". That's the 38/44 which would be a lot closer in performance to the Magnum than "just" a 38 Special. (smile)
To the OP, you have the pinnacle, the apex of S&W revolvers and a family treasure to boot. Congratulations!
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15k is still a chunk of change,not like it's a $700-1000 Model 27,where the sale money could be disappear on nonsense in an instant. I don't subscribe to the notion of never selling a gun or family heirloom.I keep things because they fit my interests,not for sentimentality,and my parents,may they RIP, would agree with me on that. If the OP isn't into guns as he says,if his kids don't have the interest,why not put the loot into something else that they would enjoy right now? The time to live is now,not in the nebulous future.We don't know the extent of his resources.15k could be a life changer...or not. That said,and noting that I also don't subscribe to the is whole investment notion of guns-I own them simply because I enjoy them-nothing else-that RM is probably the safest thing to squirrel away as an investment.Just wipe it down with oil from time to time.
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If you pulled the average schlub off the street and showed them this RM next to my 90% 27-2 5", they would likely deduce the RM is worth more due to condition but never 20 times as much. There's plenty of collectible value here!
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I'd look into having the barrel cut down to 3"; they really balance perfectly at that length, and conceal easier for carry.
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WHAT?!
A rare piece of history and an extremely scarce gun in excellent condition and you would "cut the barrel"
Surely, you were joking - right?
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07-06-2017, 01:26 PM
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WHAT?!
A rare piece of history and an extremely scarce gun in excellent condition and you would "cut the barrel"
Surely, you were joking - right?
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I would sooner put googly eyes on the Mona Lisa than do anything to that RM.
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I figured you had to be kidding.
You almost gave me a heart attack.
Googly eyes on the Mona Lisa might be cool though
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07-06-2017, 01:54 PM
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Fixed it for you!
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?.........ok to shoot it?
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If it was mine, I would not shoot it. But, if you want to shootout a few times, you probably won't hurt the value much. Then you could do something that your grandfather did.
If you shoot it a lot, it will show wear, staring with a line on the cylinder. If you find the holster, never store the gun in the holster!
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A wonderful firearm and other items, keep them warm and dry. Keep the gun oiled and do not store it in a holster or a sealed case. Humidity and moisture are your enemies. Keep the boxes and paper in a dark dry place for paper moisture and UV (sunlight) are your enemies.
thanks for showing us.
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357 RM
Thank you guys for the help.esp Ralph. I took the gun to the gun store in town.the guy didn't know about RM s but he knew it was something special. He said it was 98 % condition.he said don't fire it.he sprayed it with G 96 (?) oil.the finish is like a mirror.i signed up for gun safety class so I can get a permit.he told me about a shooting range -indoor- so I can shoot. I have only fired shotguns. Sorry! I am super excited about the gun.i plan to write an article about grampa and his gun.turns out a deputy was murdered in the jail by 2 inmates which resulted in largest manhunt in Iowa as of 1928 or so.im gonna try to find the law case about self defense involving grampa and I want to find the newspaper articles about him.and get on the link for the historical society. And ... and...!!! Is that oil ok? Thanks again , Thinnes
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G96 is what I use on every gun I have. It's an excellent cleaner and does a great job in the lube dept. It smells good too!
You have a been give a wonderful gift that I'm sure you'll enjoy for many years.
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Man, I love the people on this forum!!!!!! You gentlemen and ladies are some of the best people in this world. I consider it an honor to be allowed to converse with all y'all.
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i signed up for gun safety class so I can get a permit.he told me about a shooting range -indoor- so I can shoot.
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Good for you, sounds like you are on the right track! Some indoor ranges rent guns, so if they have an N-frame 357 (Model 27,28,etc) you could shoot it and have the feel of shooting yours if you don't want to fire it. Hope you will keep us updated and maybe post your article when you finish. There are several published writers on the forum. Best of luck!
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The 1930 era levels of S & W metal polishing and bluing are among the best in their history, along with the late 1950s and early 1960s.
A good choice for shooting it may be .38 Special wadcutters, just to get the feel of how it works. We need a range report, of course .
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Take the shooting safety class very seriously. It's not like a lot of the classes that you take (driving?) where the rules are merely suggestions. There are 4 of them, know them and live them.
Good luck!
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Thanks
Thanks again guys 72 b 40- read the article. Here's were it gets crazy- I was telling my law partner Martha about the gun and my grampa .she mentioned her uncle was a deputy in Dubuque.his name- Leo hemmer! So know I have another story to research and tell.leo worked for the sheriff who served prior to my grampa
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Thinnes - It is threads - and guns - like this this that keep me coming back to the forum. I suspect you may not fully understand the excitement your RM has caused. This is a treasure and I hope you will continue to keep us informed as you continue to learn more about it. Thanks for sharing.
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From an old shooter, who is on occasion jaded by the "hey look what I got" folks. You Sir, have brightened my day. These finds are what keep us all in the hunt.
Please, keep your enthusiasm for this grand prize. It may actually be awhile before you fully understand what you have.
Thanks again for sharing.
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