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Old 07-19-2017, 01:44 PM
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I apologize for my ignorance, I know little to nothing about guns, but this one meant a lot to my dad so I would be grateful for any info, or even if I could be pointed in the right direction to find info.
I would like to clean up/ restore it if I can, and to know if that's the right thing to do, I know some things get messed up if you refinish or restore them.
The only numbers that I could find are 36305
That was on the cylinder where the bullets go, and the number 79345 that was kinda under the barrel, only could see it after the bullet holder was open.
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You came to the right place!

I am sure someone can ID it from that picture, but perhaps a few more photos would help? Like whats on the side of the barrel, anything in the hinged area where the cylinder (bullet holder) swings open?

I would only clean it, not "restore" it as in refinish it!
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If my eyes are not deceiving me, I can read 44 S&W Special CTG on the barrel. I'm thinking it might be a .44 Hand Ejector 2nd Model judging by what I'm reading in the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson (SCSW), 3rd Edition, but I am no expert. More pics will definitely help. The number of 79345 gives the impression of a serial number, but doesn't match up with the info in the SCSW. A number the high for a .44 should start with an S. I do agree with Rule3, I also would only clean it. It appears to be a well used, but cared for survivor. No shame in having that patina on a functional firearm.
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Just based upon what I see, it seems your dad's gun is a .44 Hand Ejector (HE) Second Model chambered for the .44 Special cartridge. While the "legal" serial number is stamped on the bottom of the grip (and you will need to remove the grips to see it), the number stamped on the rear face of the cylinder (36305) should be the same. I list another .44 2nd Model, SN 367xx, as shipping in 12/1933, but was manufactured in 1931, as yours was. It is built on S&W's large size N-frame. The grips on yours are not original (target grips like that were not used until the 1950s), but finding the correct grips could be difficult and expensive. They are somewhat scarce. That should be enough to get you started. Don't attempt to do anything in the way of "restoration." Just clean it with some solvent and wax it. It's a fairly desirable revolver, even though not in "collectible" condition.

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Oh, and your dads old gun is a dandy. A bit of wear on the blue from carrying it holstered, but still looks good. Has some character and I suspect your dad had some too. I have no doubt that it still functions and shoots well.

As the others have said don't do anything but clean it with almost any gun cleaning solvent (Hoppes 9 is a favorite) then lightly wipe it down once in a while with a soft rag with a little bit of light oil like 3 in one oil. Keep it in a dry place and pass it on to one of your children.

If you do go to fire it please find someone with some real knowledge about revolvers and gun safety to instruct you. There is plenty of modern 44 special ammunition around that it uses.

Nice family heirloom
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Oh my, what a beauty. I have a passion for guns and knives with honest wear. All the worn bluing may be a distraction for some people but for a few of us on here it is our catnip. If I can offer some unsolicited advise, do not alter or refinish this beauty. Your dad is the person that made it look like it does, cherish that. Few guns have any real panache . This gun has character in spades.
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I'd like to say that your dad would probably be pleased that you've taken this step. Learn to shoot, safety first, then enjoy every moment with your dads gun. Learn how to maintain this piece of history!
It needs to be rubbed down with a lightly oiled rag, and imo, that should be done at least once a month. Just to be safe. There's plenty of people, myself included, that have gone a few years without doing this, with no harm done. But speaking for myself, I got lucky, and I won't take that chance again! Rust is tough to undo! Not to mention dings and scratches. The original finish is only original once! This is a perfect place to learn do's and don'ts.

Treat it right, cherish it, because it was your father's and it'll last. You'll be handing it down to your grandkids! Treat it bad...you'll be forever sorry. Good luck! Sorry about your dad.
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Looks like you have some good info already, I have only one thing to add:

You have an unusual front sight. It should be a bit more round and a bit less target like.

I believe someone likely modified it into what is often referred to as a "half target" or "fixed-sight target". Essentially just meaning that someone didn't like the original sights and upgraded them to something more useful.

If you could there are a couple things that would be of interest to us, and help us to give you more information, if you got pictures of them.

A picture of the top of the gun, particularly a straight down shot of the rear sight groove.

A picture of the front sight, closer in.

A picture of each side of the frame of the gun, with the grips removed.

Some of us are big fans of these old modified guns, and identifying who did the modification can give a lot of history to the gun. I know I speak for quite a few of us when I say that you have a great old shooter there, worthy of a wee bit of envy.
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Yes, that sight is a wee bit different than what one might expect to see. Usually you will see a half moon or a partridge front sight and adjustable rear sight which this does not have.....
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Cool old gun and a great family heirloom.....................


Are those K-frame target grips??????

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As suggested, remove the grips, and report what is stamped on the butt of the frame.
Also. report what is stamped on each side of the barrel.

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Are those K-frame target grips??????
They are in fact K Frame Diamond Target Stocks.The dead giveaway is the poor fit at the back strap.
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That has CHARACTER. As previously suggested, just clean it. Don't restore it.
Didn't see your location posted. I understand where you might be hesitant, but if you are near another forum member, you may find someone willing to help you get it cleaned up and protected.
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Very nice old revolver, and pleasant to shoot. Heck, if you lived in Western PA I would buy the first box of cartridges to teach you to shoot it

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Since nobody has said it yet...

Welcome to the Forum!

Yes, you have a 2nd Model .44 Special. It appears the front sight has been shortened and reshaped. It should be a good shooter. As others have said, don't do anymore to it other that clean it good.
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Yes, the definition of "restoring" in this case would be:

Spending hundreds of dollars to reduce it's monetary worth from it's current unrestored value.


If that definition makes no sense, then I've accomplished what I intended to do. That doesn't mean you shouldn't maintain it, though. Clean it real good with gun cleaning solvent, and make sure the barrel bore and rifling look very clean. Investment in a 5 dollar "bore light" will aid you greatly in doing this. Most gun cleaning kits (usually about 10 dollars) will include brass wire brushes that will help get the bore and cylinder chambers clean, though they may not include a brush big enough for .44 caliber. Use disposable latex gloves when cleaning the gun, and a surgical mask to keep from breathing in airborne lead particles from the brushing. Then put a small amount of oil on the bore and chamber surfaces to keep corrosion away.

If the cylinder opens slow or stiff and doesn't spin freely, you may have a gunsmith show you how to clean and lubricate those areas. Good luck.

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Welcome to the forum!!! And as others have said, do not "restore" the gun...just clean and maintain it. You have a wonderful gun and a fantastic family heirloom.

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As others have said, welcome to the forum. And what a great connection to your dad that revolver is. Treasure it and remember him every time you take it out to shoot or just look at.

As pointed out in a couple posts above, those are not only the wrong stocks for the era but they are the wrong size for you 44 Hand-ejector. You need to find a set of Magna stock with that same diamond checkering pattern. They will be more likely to fit your hand and you will find shooting that fine old 44 more comfortable.


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PS: Those K-frame target stocks have some value so don't take them off and toss them. If you don't have or anticipate getting a K-frame revolver you could at least sell them here on the forum. And no, I don't need a set of K-frame targets. (smile)
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Shiela, you've been given some good information on your Dad's revolver. Like others, I recommend only a good cleaning. Even if those are not the correct grips for that revolver, they were your Dad's and used by your Dad. I would not change a thing.

I think that it is great that you have the interest in preserving it even though admittedly you don't really know much about guns. Too many important family heirlooms are lost because direct heirs have no knowledge or interest in them and don't save them for relatives that may.

Good for you!
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Adding your general location would allow you to have someone evaluate and add to your firearms knowledge. I assume it has a holster. Never store a gun in one as the chemicals used to tan can hurt the finish and it may hold trapped moisture. Keep them handy but apart.
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Just like the Antiques Roadshow the other night where the furniture appraiser was telling the lady, this early 1770 Highboy chest is beautiful and worth about $5000, but if it still had that old grungy blackish finish (original), it would be worth $50,000.

Your revolver wont be worth those numbers, but leaving it as "original" as possible and kept clean maintains the highest value. It would be worth your time to contact a local gun club and see if you don't know someone that you could trust to show you how to properly clean and care for it, (and how to shoot it).
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Hey, is not the revolver shown at the top of every page on this forum the same gun but with the correct stocks?

Looks pretty similar to my untrained eye, but if it is that should be ample proof that Sheila has come to the right place?

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Welcome to the forum Sheila.

You have a very nice family heirloom to be handed down to your grand children and GG children with its provenance and history as known to you, written down and kept with it for future generations.

OLD GUN CLEANING FOR HEIRLOOMS & NEW GUN OWNERS:

Simply put, the only usual issue with these marvels of yesteryear is they are gummed up and dirty. Old oils of its time do not match the quality of these old guns nor the science of today, and actually dry up and harden to the point of impeding operation and accelerating wear. The simple solution does not need a gunsmith or removal of the side plate. Just one of many premium modern gun care products from any sporting goods, gun store or hardware store.

Most are both cleaning and preserving agents; Breakfree, Kroil & M-Pro7 are some of the best, and there are others, but do not use WD-40. Disassembly is not necessary. With grips removed and a spray can version of the product, flood and flush the revolver thru every opening and crevice until the black gunk stops flowing out, let it drain for an hour and wipe it down thoroughly with the same product.

Scrub barrel bore and cylinder chambers with a simple cleaning rod kit found at the same places as the cleaning agents above; patches cut from rags is all you really need. And scrub any observed exterior and crevice crud with an old toothbrush with bristles cut off short for stiffness.

You have a quality made, very well engineered, assembled with skilled craftsmanship, and hand fitted revolver, no longer affordable to produce on a competitive market basis, and the likes of which we'll never see again, ever.

To remove grips before cleaning: loosen the grip screw completely and carefully push down on the screw head until the bottom grip separates, then remove. Now carefully push the top side grip off with a finger or toothbrush from the backside thru the grip frame.

The gun is now original and will never have greater value. I too would not refinish it and throw away all of the "character" acquired thru its life so far. It will only retain that value by retaining its originality.

Shoot it to your hearts delight, and it will delight you with its fine accuracy, and comfortable recoil.

Any current off the shelf ‘standard’ factory loaded ammo is loaded safely for use in your ".44 Special caliber Hand Ejector - 2nd Model".
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"Most are both cleaning and preserving agents; Breakfree, Kroil & M-Pro7 are some of the best, and there are others, but do not use WD-40. Disassembly is not necessary. With grips removed and a spray can version of the product, flood and flush the revolver thru every opening and crevice until the black gunk stops flowing out, let it drain for an hour and wipe it down thoroughly with the same product."

One of the most effective products for blasting out the interior mechanism is spray carburetor cleaner, available at the nearest auto parts store or places like Wal-Mart. Get the cheapest they have. It is best to remove the sideplate and disassemble the mechanism to perform a thorough cleaning and lubrication. It's not difficult, but unless you know how to do that, just do what you can with the carb cleaner.
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