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In Process... A Pre-27 357 Engraved Masterpiece in the Making [UPDATED 12/22]
[12-22-17 Update - Final product - post 36]
[8-30-17 UPDATE - SEE POST 29 FOR GOLD INLAY ON BARREL]
[7-22-17 UPDATE - SEE POST 20 FOR CYLINDER BACKGROUND CUTTING...]
It started out as a 6" 5-screw pre-27 with some condition issues (leper splotches in a variety of places - but no deep pitting - mostly surface stuff that could be buffed out) that I bought for a good price:
... the above photos make the gun look much better than it did in person...
So... off to Phil Quigley's it went for his magical touch. I gave him total freedom on the engraving and here's a few photos and a video of the engraving in process.
Frame in process - major scroll engraved:
Background cut out:
Background dot punched:
The master engraver in his studio:
... and a video of the barrel in process (click on the play button):
[8-30-17 UPDATE - SEE POST 29 FOR GOLD INLAY ON BARREL]
[7-22-17 UPDATE - SEE POST 20 FOR CYLINDER BACKGROUND CUTTING...]
I cannot wait...
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Thanks for sharing with us. This is going to be a fantastic addition to your already stunning collection!! I admire the design, and the cutout background are going to make a super finished project!!
Keep us in the loop!!
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The engraving looks awesome! That will be a very nice revolver.
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That engraving puts some big dollar over under shotguns to shame. Phenomenal work.
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Very similar to Floral carving a Holster,Just a different medium.
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I met the engraver (Phil) once when I lived in Tucson. He wanted to do a gun for me but on a deputy sheriff's salary it just wasn't going to happen. He was very good back then ('80s I think) and must be even better at his craft now.
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Very Nice! Does Phil have a website?
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Are we supposeed to know who Phil is?
Was the background relief acid etched?
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At one point he had a website - but like he says in the video above, "me and electronics don't get along...". You can google Phil Quigley and find lots of photos of his work. In addition he is a member of the forum here and goes by "P.Quig" - I'm sure he would love a PM also, he posted his phone number in post 27 of this thread: The Engraving Process - Passion, Patience and Creativity
Thanks,
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I should have done a better job of naming him - I'll edit it above. The engraver is Phil Quigley - who spent years training under the talented hand of Lynton McKenzie. As noted above, he posts occasionally on this forum as P.Quig.
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The black in the photo above is just candle soot, (wiped off on the high points) to show the relief/contrast. The background relief is cut out with a hammer and chisel. Then smoothed with a flat head punch and then dot punched as you see him doing in the video.
He's a real artist that has grown up using the guns that he engraves.
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Thanks to all who commented here. I have been cutting for 30 years, using only hammers and chisel's. I have a face book page under ( engraving mastery). All are welcome to visit. My number if you desire to reach me is 480-235-9858. RKMESA has been a wonderful client and friend who is very patient. There are few of us doing it the old way by hand, many use machines. I really respect you folks who want the best done the right way.I thank all of you for supporting us Engravers who endeavor to do it the right way.
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"--------smoothed with a flat head punch-------."
The dawn comes!! I was sitting here wondering "How the hell does he DO THAT?!!
It's entirely too obvious---I never would have come up with that----way too simple for my over active imagination to see right off.
If there's some super complicated (and often entirely ridiculous) way to do something, that's going to be the first thing I come up with---only to have regular folks stare at me---as if to say, "That guy's nuts!!"
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Richard....what kind of grips are you going to put on that
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As others have commented, Richard, I can't wait to see the completed gun! What are you planning for stocks?
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I have not decided yet... I have some beautiful lumber in all shapes and sizes, but that beauty may need a set of ivory service stocks to do it justice.
Some of the decision revolves around what Phil and I decide to do with the finish. We talked about getting the frame color-cased or french-grayed with a blued barrel and cylinder. Part of the challenge is that Turnbull will no longer color-case S&W frames over concerns of warping the thin side plates... (in this case made even thinner by the engraving).
... so we'll see. There may be some interim wood prior to finally deciding. One of the nice things about S&W grips is that it takes less than a minute to change out - which is is only slightly longer than the amount of time it takes for me to change my mind.
I also may try to get on KB's calendar for a set of custom wood stocks kind of like these ones on this pre-war Quigley engraved Outdoorsman:
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Phil just posted a video of how he cuts out the background. Take a look to see the process...
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What an education!! Thanks Richard, and Phil!! The main thing I learned from this is, better leave any projects to a professional!!! First, without the correct tools, the job would probably be impossible. Next, just like owning a Steinway grand piano wouldn't make me a concert pianist, just owning the correct tools wouldn't make me an engraver!!
But I can appreciate watching the hands of a master creating a wonderful artifact, and this is a great video, as was the first. Keep them coming!!
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All I can say is WOW! What artistry goes into a project like this. Brian Powley just finished the engraving on my first engraved gun last week and returned it to Hamilton Bowen for clean up before it goes to Turnbull for coloring so I am fascinated by the process Phil shows.
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Man! Thanks for shareing this ,impressive,exceptional and many other words I have heard and can pronounce but not spell work of art in progress .one of the few times I have been left speechless.
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I'm at a loss to figure out how I missed this thread on its inception!
Fascinating and educational. What a pleasure to watch a talented individual at work.
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Man that is beautiful. I'm so glad you took the time to record and document the process.
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Great thread!! It's really interesting to see the work in progress, versus before and after. He is a masterful engraver. WOW!!
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With the amount of metal removed, that gun should be an airweight by now. Perfect for carry!
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Very impressive, thank you very much for showing us the progress. For grips I would think it would be hard to go wrong with something from Kieth Brown.
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...link to a Video of Phil inlaying the gold wire on the barrel...
Link no longer available...
Getting closer...
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Thanks, Richard, spectacular as usual...what a master artist as well as teacher.
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impressive... the videos are incredible... takes me back to watching my late father tooling leather... the subtle efforts that create amazing results always were just a bit out of my reach... watching a master at work is a true joy... can't wait for the final results...
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Richard, I really like how the sight has been cut back to resemble a RM. That I exceedingly beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
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Mathew, I too like the sight, but in this case it is just a standard post war front sight treatment (relatively flush with the end of the barrel) and the "cut back" you see is because of the angle of the photo, not any modification to the barrel...
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VERY nice. The Lyndon McKenzie influence shows. About 25 plus years ago I had Bob Evans do an early 1911 for me; full coverage plus gold inlays. Took a few photos of my son holding it about half completed.
I'm proud of both of them.
Now if I could only chew gum and post pictures...
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That is going to be one sweet family treasure. I love the videos and how a true master makes it look easy. Your are breathing new life into a piece of history.
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A couple of final pics...
Detailed post/pics are here: Ivory, Gold, Engraving, 357, WOW!
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Wow this is so far over my head I can’t even comprehend! Stunning.
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Well, I kept hitting the "Like" button but only one Like appeared.
Congratulations. That is a beautiful project. I have pursued some custom gun projects in the past, and I know it takes a lot of stamina to see them through.
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I hope the EMTs will be able to restart my heart when they get here. I'm too young and handsome to die.
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I hope it does not bother you, I take your design, and send to do something similar in a model 66
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That is just about the most elegant engraving job I've ever seen. Nothing overdone, all in balance.
The gold accents are particularly nice. Just enough, and not too much. I also notice that even if the gun were fired, the drag line on the cylinder would center between the gold bands and add a further accent. Very cool feature!
I think even the Russian judge would give a 10 on this one.
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