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looking to find out the mfg date and model on a s&w hand eject . the ser # 33134*. 32 long ctg
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Welcome to the forum.

You have a “32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903 – 1st change”. From ~ 1905
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thank you for your response . the thing that is confusing to me is the last patent date on the barrel is dec. 29 1914 . the ser # on the bottom of the barrel is preceded by an 'r' and except for that is the same as the one on the grip frame .
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Welcome also. Photos would help here, but if it is a small frame .32 six round HE stamped .32 Long on the right barrel with a six-digit SN, I think it dates later. Jim may have read a 30,000 SN instead of a 300,000.
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Welcome to the forums from the Wiregrass! I think Jim didn't see the asterisk. Your gun falls in the 1920 era, probably early 1920's. Is there a "Made in USA" stamp on the lower right front of the frame? If so, it was made after 1921. Also, could you post some pictures? S&W made a couple of different models in that timeframe.

(Ah, Alan posted while I was typing.)

This is a .32 Hand Ejector


And, this is a .32 Regulation Police


The HE has a round butt and the RP has a square grip that converts and extends the round butt.
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my he has a round butt . does not say made in the USA on the rt side . I am still trying to figure out how to post photos .
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Look down below the text box and click on Go Advanced. Scroll down the window that opens and click Manage Attachments or click on the paper clip in the header above the text box. You can select and upload, one at a time, up to 5 pictures from your computer. The pictures need to be relatively small or they won't upload. Make sure they are no larger than 1920x1080 pixels. You can use MS Paint or a picture editor to resize them.
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Yes, that is a .32 Hand Ejector , 3rd Model from 1920. It is about 10,000 units younger than SN 321,000 when heat treatment of the cylinders began.
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Based upon the nearby SNs I have listed, it very likely shipped in 1922-23.
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so being made before heat treated cylinders , is it safe to shoot modern ammo ? I have 32 s&w and 32 long . haven't shot it yet tho. I had a gun smith look and he replaced the cyl lock and a spring that holds the plunger for the hand .
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so being made before heat treated cylinders , is it safe to shoot modern ammo ? I have 32 s&w and 32 long . haven't shot it yet tho. I had a gun smith look and he replaced the cyl lock and a spring that holds the plunger for the hand .
Heat treating of the cylinder is not essential for low-powered cartridges like the .32 Long. Fire away.
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These were still made with good old American steel, fire away.
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thank you for your response . the thing that is confusing to me is the last patent date on the barrel is dec. 29 1914 . the ser # on the bottom of the barrel is preceded by an 'r' and except for that is the same as the one on the grip frame .
My mistake, I did not pick up on the asterisk replacing the last digit. Thx to members above, you now have the correct vintage.

The R preceding the barrel serial # is almost certainly a poorly stamped B which indicates the gun was originally blued when produced.

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The .32 Hand Ejector and its cartridge, the 32 S&W Long are both historical. The .32 HE is the first side swing out cylinder produced by S&W, built on the first I size frame, and introduced as the 1896 Model (1st Model) along with its new cartridge.

It went thru several evolutionary changes until it became the 32 HE 3rd model in 1917 when a sq butt version was introduced as the 32 Regulation Police beginning at ~ #258000 in the same serial range as the 32 HE. The more common barrel length is the 4 1/4".

Target models with adjustable sights were available with 6" barrels as well as very rare 4 1/4" barrels, and with 2 screw extended target stocks.

The 3rd Model had a hammer safety block added around 1919 used thru WW II.

By 1920 the cyls received a heat treatment for additional strength as did all S&W revolvers.

Both were reintroduced after WW II in identical form except for the change to the much more fool proof post war sliding bar safety. They went thru more evolution in the 1950s, and in 1957 became the Model 30 w/round butt and the Model 31 w/square butt, and finally in 1961 were upgraded to the slightly longer J size frame with added -1 to the model #s.

Eventually both versions were combined as just the Model 31-1 in 1976, until discontinued in 1991. Various iterations were later introduced using the 32 H&R Mag and/or the 327 Fed Mag, both of which still use the 32 Long as well.

Any currently available 32 Long ammo in standard loadings is perfectly safe to shoot in your 32.
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Yes, and I guess the wording of my reply confused you, David. Your gun was made after heat treating was implemented. About 10,000 units later.
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thank you all for the great help .
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Ok, guys and gals, I have TWO older S&W revolvers I am trying to identify.
1. Tentatively identified as a hand ejector second model, appears to be nickle plated to my untrained eye, right side of barrel is marked " S & W D.A. 45", left side of barrel "SMITH & WESSON". Inside the crane is "2789", serial number on bottom of grip is "1134XX*", and it appears to be drilled and tapped for a lanyard loop. Right side of frame has the standard S&W trademark, Reg. U. S. Pat. Off.
Finish appears to be about 60 or 70 percent, few small rusty-looking spots on the cylinder, and a couple of nicks at the left side of the muzzle, and in front of crane hinge.
Any help would be appreciated.
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And here's the second unidentified model.
2. Tentatively identified as a 5-screw 1917 model, left side of barrel says "S&W D.A. 45", top of barrel says Smith & Wesson Springfield Mass USA, underneath that is Patented Dec 17, 1901 Feb 8, 1908, Sept 14, 1909, and under the crane is 75995, serial number on bottom of grip is No. 1078XX or 1073XX, hard for me to say which. Grip has lanyard loop attached. It has SAMBAR grips, on the right side of the frame it DOES NOT have the S&W TRADE MARK, nor does it say Made in the USA. Appears to me to have reblued or it is in excellent condition. Also has a fifth screw on the front of the trigger guard. The area of the screw on the right side of the frame immediately above the grip has apparently been cobbled up somehow in the past, and has what lookes like cold blue over it.
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You should start a new thread, few will find your posts tagged onto this thread.

1st gun: 2nd Model HEs were 44 spls. A few rare 2nd models were chambered in 45 Colt. Is yours 45ACP or 45 Colt? Most likely it's in ACP which would make it a Model 1917 Commercial model. The lanyard swivel is not threaded in, it’s pinned in and is a sign that it’s probably a 1917.


Made after 1920 since it has the trademark
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big44man, your first revolver appears to be a re-nickled .45 HE U.S.Army model 1917. Look for "United States Property" stamped on the bottom of its barrel. It's grips are from much later (post 1968). However, those grips are PC (Plain Cloths) N-frame magnas, which I believe only came on the S&W M-58 and may be pretty scarce by themselves. Nice stags on the second one. -S2

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And here's the second unidentified model.
2. Tentatively identified as a 5-scew 1917 model, left side of barrel says "S&W D.A. 45", top of barrel says Smith & Wesson Springfield Mass USA, underneath that is Patented Dec 17, 1901 Feb 8, 1908, Sept 14, 1909, and under the crane is 75995, serial number on bottom of grip is No. 1078XX or 1073XX, hard for me to say which. Grip has lanyard loop attached. It has SAMBAR grips, on the right side of the frame it DOES NOT have the S&W TRADE MARK, nor does it say Made in the USA. Appears to me to have reblued or it is in excellent condition. Also has a fifth screw on the front of the trigger guard. The area of the screw on the right side of the frame immediately above the grip has apparently been cobbled up somehow in the past, and has what lookes like cold blue over it.
It likely is but why do you think this one is a 1917, because it's military marked?

What barrel length, 5 1/2"?
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