Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Revolvers > S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961

Notices

S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-21-2017, 06:30 PM
JST1947 JST1947 is offline
Member
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Date of shipping

5 screw .38 special pre model 10 Serial number on butt and barrel match C 114907. When made/shipped?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_1135.jpg (75.3 KB, 32 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-21-2017, 06:52 PM
JP@AK's Avatar
JP@AK JP@AK is offline
US Veteran
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Palmer, Alaska
Posts: 14,500
Likes: 5,121
Liked 19,049 Times in 6,879 Posts
Default

Probably made early in 1950, possibly late 1949. It could have shipped any time after it was assembled. 1950 would be a good bet, but only a letter from the SWHF can give you any certainty about when it left the factory.

Interesting that it has a swivel hole. These do show up on some early C prefix guns, but not all that often, in my experience.
__________________
Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-21-2017, 07:01 PM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is offline
Member
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,606
Likes: 240
Liked 29,113 Times in 14,076 Posts
Default

C1130xx shipped in 9/50. That's the only one I have listed which is close to yours.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-21-2017, 07:10 PM
Absalom's Avatar
Absalom Absalom is offline
SWCA Member
Absent Comrade
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,834
Likes: 10,103
Liked 27,996 Times in 8,452 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JP@AK View Post
.....
Interesting that it has a swivel hole. These do show up on some early C prefix guns, but not all that often, in my experience.
In addition to the swivel hole, it also has the four screw holes for a butt plate. These were usually made from brass to protect the bottom of the grips and, if you believe some folks, to make it more effective to hit people over the head.

So this was almost certainly a police service weapon.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-22-2017, 06:38 PM
JST1947 JST1947 is offline
Member
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Thank you for the help. I have another 5 screw M&P .38, serial number V 6953543. Lanyard post. Side plate stamped Converted by Cogswell & Harrison Ltd. London. When was this made and what is the story on the conversion?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-22-2017, 07:09 PM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is offline
Member
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,606
Likes: 240
Liked 29,113 Times in 14,076 Posts
Default

serial number V 6953543 (you have an extra digit somewhere in there)

Serial number V 695354 is a British Service Revolver, Victory Model, which originally shipped in later 1944, probably October. After the British surplussed these out in the 1950s-1960s, many were converted to something more saleable to civilians and exported for sale on the American market. The C&H conversions were performed in England, and their workmanship was generally pretty good. Typically, the barrels were shortened from the original 5" length, they were refinished, checkered wood grips were added, and the chambers re-bored for .38 Special. Not worth very much, but yours could be a good shooter.

Last edited by DWalt; 08-23-2017 at 11:31 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-22-2017, 07:36 PM
JST1947 JST1947 is offline
Member
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Yes, V 693543 is the correct number. This has a ramp front sight. My other revolver, above, has the half moon sight. When might the rebarrelling have been done?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-22-2017, 07:42 PM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is offline
Member
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,606
Likes: 240
Liked 29,113 Times in 14,076 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JST1947 View Post
Yes, V 693543 is the correct number. This has a ramp front sight. My other revolver, above, has the half moon sight. When might the rebarrelling have been done?
Difficult to say. No earlier than the mid-1950s. There was probably no rebarreling, just mods made to the barrel originally on it (shortening it and adding a different front sight).
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-22-2017, 07:57 PM
JST1947 JST1947 is offline
Member
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Correct on norebarrelling. Serial number on barrel is the same as on the square butt. Shortened barrel from 6" to 4"?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-22-2017, 07:59 PM
Absalom's Avatar
Absalom Absalom is offline
SWCA Member
Absent Comrade
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,834
Likes: 10,103
Liked 27,996 Times in 8,452 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JST1947 View Post
Yes, V 693543 is the correct number. This has a ramp front sight. My other revolver, above, has the half moon sight. When might the rebarrelling have been done?
The gun would have originally looked like the one in the attached picture, which is V 604454 made a few months earlier.

C&H conversions can come in slightly different variations, but if yours is the standard one, it should have received, besides the new ramp front sight and frame inscription you already discussed, a new commercial blue finish and a new set of wooden stocks with fine checkering. It should also have London proof marks, usually on the right side of the barrel behind the original caliber stamping.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_3174.jpg (140.1 KB, 7 views)
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-22-2017, 08:01 PM
Absalom's Avatar
Absalom Absalom is offline
SWCA Member
Absent Comrade
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,834
Likes: 10,103
Liked 27,996 Times in 8,452 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JST1947 View Post
Correct on norebarrelling. Serial number on barrel is the same as on the square butt. Shortened barrel from 6" to 4"?
That was a typo on DWalt's part. The original length on all of these was 5". C&H took them down to somewhere between 4" and 3.5".
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-23-2017, 11:32 AM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is offline
Member
Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping Date of shipping  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,606
Likes: 240
Liked 29,113 Times in 14,076 Posts
Default

Yep, hit the wrong key. Although some of the earliest BSRs did have 6" barrels, but not that late.

Last edited by DWalt; 08-23-2017 at 11:33 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
shipping date dozer72 S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 1 02-01-2016 06:24 PM
Shipping Date of K22 johnyakima S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 3 06-23-2015 09:36 PM
Help with shipping date? jwllmn71 S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 1 11-16-2014 05:24 PM
Manufacture date/shipping date vahillbilly S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 6 08-31-2013 06:20 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:47 PM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)