|
|
08-26-2017, 07:00 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: TN - Tennessee
Posts: 487
Likes: 1,972
Liked 2,123 Times in 301 Posts
|
|
Bought Pre GREAT war 44 today TL
6.5 " sn 2544. It has the wrong stocks (pre-war Magnas) on it and an altered front sight. I will have to see if my Samber stags will fit her when she gets home. I only have the 2 auction photos.
__________________
Matthew Conrad
Last edited by M_conrad_0311; 09-01-2017 at 11:27 PM.
|
The Following 54 Users Like Post:
|
29aholic, 992B, amazingflapjack, bbqncigars, bengal fan, bigolddave, BillyMagg, browningcollector, bruce5781, buffalo4star, Chopper1388, Combat, DCWilson, delta-419, DGT, Donald Paul, firemanhank, Frank46, g8rb8, H Richard, Hondo44, Hunter Keith, Iggy, j38, Jack Flash, JayCeeNC, JohnRippert, jsfricks, JSR III, Kansasgunner, ki5mc, Kinman, kryten67, les.b, Magneto, mojave30cal, montezumaz, Muley Gil, old bear, ParadiseRoad, policerevolvercollector, quinn, RKmesa, Russell Cottle, shouldazagged, SVT28, Texas Star, Thinnes, Tom K, TripleLock, usmc2427765, Wiregrassguy, Wishoot, wraco |
08-26-2017, 07:08 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2015
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 5,372
Likes: 104,950
Liked 22,296 Times in 4,529 Posts
|
|
I guess you can call that a pre war 44, I would call it a Triple Lock. Maybe pre WWI? That low serial number should be a pretty early one, and IIRC they started shipping in 1907. If that is the original finish, it seems to be in really nice condition. That looks like a really nice revolver!! Nice buy.
I'm sure there will be some folks along who specialize in these, I don't really know much about them.
Best Regards, Les
__________________
SWCA 3084, SWHF 495, PGCA 3064
Last edited by les.b; 08-26-2017 at 07:16 PM.
|
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 07:13 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,201
Likes: 402
Liked 5,055 Times in 1,639 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by les.b
I guess you can call that a pre war 44, I would call it a Triple Lock. Maybe pre WWI? That looks like a really nice revolver!! Nice buy.
I'm sure there will be some folks along who specialize in these, I don't really know much about them.
Best Regards, Les
|
With that SN, Pre-WWI is a fair bet. Very nice.
__________________
I need ammo, not a ride.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 07:16 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: AL Wiregrass
Posts: 7,225
Likes: 34,869
Liked 10,791 Times in 3,677 Posts
|
|
Holy cow, Matthew! What a score! You go guy! I'll take the Magnas so you can put some period-correct stocks on it.
Guy
__________________
Guy
SWHF #474 SWCA LM#2629
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 07:16 PM
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The SW Va Blue Ridge
Posts: 17,547
Likes: 89,899
Liked 24,943 Times in 8,538 Posts
|
|
Very nice. It dates to the early 19 teens. I believe that would be called a "half target". If I were you, I'd get a letter on it.
__________________
John 3:16
WAR EAGLE!
|
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 07:25 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 484
Likes: 1,518
Liked 2,911 Times in 236 Posts
|
|
Extremely nice gun!
I agree with the above statement about getting this one lettered.
Congrats!
__________________
Paul
SWCA #2864
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 07:31 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 3,530
Likes: 11,163
Liked 12,133 Times in 1,942 Posts
|
|
I'll be happy to handle the transfer for you if you'll have it sent to my house...
What a find! Congrats.
__________________
Randy
Provenance nerd
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 09:29 PM
|
US Veteran Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 20,361
Likes: 24,260
Liked 16,154 Times in 7,408 Posts
|
|
The Magnas fooled me. After I saw the other posts, I looked for the Triple Lock. Yep, it's there.
Why didn't you just say it was a Triple Lock? Were you waiting to see if someone would notice?
On this board, they'll notice!
Congratulations.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 09:37 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: TN - Tennessee
Posts: 487
Likes: 1,972
Liked 2,123 Times in 301 Posts
|
|
Texas Star,
It is always fun to see the folks find something unexpected.
__________________
Matthew Conrad
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 09:43 PM
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Peoples Republic of Calif
Posts: 4,672
Likes: 1,236
Liked 6,044 Times in 2,154 Posts
|
|
My reference says 1909 likely.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 09:52 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 3,183
Likes: 9,014
Liked 9,908 Times in 2,006 Posts
|
|
A nice TL 44 is on my want list. Nice.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 10:12 PM
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Louisville, KY, USA
Posts: 19,336
Likes: 53,737
Liked 38,387 Times in 11,802 Posts
|
|
He did say "pre GREAT war", folks. And I was able to figure what "TL" stood for.
__________________
Oh well, what the hell.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 10:22 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2015
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 5,372
Likes: 104,950
Liked 22,296 Times in 4,529 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by shouldazagged
He did say "pre GREAT war", folks. And I was able to figure what "TL" stood for.
|
Shouldazagged, "GREAT" and "TL" we're not added until after post 9, so he was just teasing us up til then... Which is OK, I'm just happy to see this cool find!!
Best Regards, Les
__________________
SWCA 3084, SWHF 495, PGCA 3064
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 10:22 PM
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: California
Posts: 19,251
Likes: 11,934
Liked 20,598 Times in 8,583 Posts
|
|
Congrats! Nice find. Must have been a gun show in TN today.
Need to pull the left stock and look for factory markings with magnification.
The front sight is done according to factory protocol. Definitely needs to be lettered. Is their a brand name on the sight in very small font?
__________________
Jim
S&WCA #819
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 11:18 PM
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The SW Va Blue Ridge
Posts: 17,547
Likes: 89,899
Liked 24,943 Times in 8,538 Posts
|
|
# 1330, a 5" Triple Lock, shipped on July 5, 1910.
__________________
John 3:16
WAR EAGLE!
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 11:42 PM
|
|
S&W Historian
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 5,964
Likes: 3,399
Liked 11,336 Times in 2,894 Posts
|
|
It was sold in an auction house up here in the northeast. It was refinished, but, I don't think by the factory. Even so, a nice buy.
__________________
Don Mundell
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-26-2017, 11:43 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,685
Likes: 2,473
Liked 5,898 Times in 1,224 Posts
|
|
Awesome find!! Congrats!!!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-27-2017, 01:20 AM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: TN - Tennessee
Posts: 487
Likes: 1,972
Liked 2,123 Times in 301 Posts
|
|
Description from auction house posted below. I will be very happy to get it in my hands and check her out. She is not up to high collector standards, but I am as happy as a baby lamb taking a nap in the cool grass on a warm sunny spring morning. I will definitely be getting it lettered if it has not been already. Thank you all for the compliments. Great slueth work to you all.
serial #2544, 44 Special, 6 1/2" barrel with an bright excellent bore which shows only two very tiny spots of light oxidation. The metal surfaces on this nice first model revolver retain about 98% top-quality restored blue finish, with the oddly scattered very light handling mark here or there and honest sharp edge wear with a light cylinder turn ring. Both hammer and trigger exhibit some vibrant color case-hardening with toning to a smoky mottled pewter gray on the right side of trigger and at spur of hammer. The checkered pre-magna style walnut grips rate very good plus with only very light handling marks and some light wear; they are stamp-numbered to another gun but fit very very well. The front sight blade appears to be a factory USRA style which has had a small bead of brass very neatly added during the period of use, the rear slot is unmodified. The gun seems to time well and function very well mechanically with frame, barrel and cylinder all numbered alike. A very attractive example overall that one must really look at twice to realize it is nicely refinished. A very nice 1908, first year of production, triple lock one needn't be afraid to take to the range. (38347-5)
__________________
Matthew Conrad
Last edited by M_conrad_0311; 08-27-2017 at 01:28 AM.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-27-2017, 09:45 AM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Flathead Valley, Montana
Posts: 2,822
Likes: 2,593
Liked 12,781 Times in 1,815 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Club Gun Fan
It was sold in an auction house up here in the northeast. It was refinished, but, I don't think by the factory. Even so, a nice buy.
|
That's interesting, I thought refinished when I looked at the pictures, but they are so small I couldn't really base that on anything other then a nagging feeling about them.
I would have suspected a factory refinish from those pictures however, maybe late 30s.
In any case, it's an absolutely beautiful gun and I would be very proud to own it myself. A really high quality old refinish doesn't really lessen my enjoyment of any of my old re-blued guns. Heck, my triple lock has been re-finished at least twice and I couldn't love it more.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-27-2017, 12:13 PM
|
|
S&W Historian
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 5,964
Likes: 3,399
Liked 11,336 Times in 2,894 Posts
|
|
I saw it and it is a great looking piece.
__________________
Don Mundell
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-27-2017, 02:06 PM
|
|
Moderator
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 26,911
Likes: 993
Liked 19,047 Times in 9,316 Posts
|
|
If it letters to before 1910, the original style stocks will be more difficult to find than the (very nice) pre-war Magnas on it - service type, checkered, with flat tops.
It's a very nice TL example, enjoy!
__________________
Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-27-2017, 02:50 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: S.Carolina
Posts: 1,903
Likes: 3,253
Liked 1,339 Times in 553 Posts
|
|
# 691 shipped 1910... The barrel is marked 44 S&W ctg. no special in the rollmark.. Matthew's has the word special added...
JIM...................
__________________
SWCA # L-1911
Last edited by snake803; 08-27-2017 at 02:54 PM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-27-2017, 03:32 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: STL
Posts: 887
Likes: 1,100
Liked 4,189 Times in 547 Posts
|
|
3576 shipped in June 1909 just to muddy it up for ya. Great looking TL!
Those magnas wouldn't happen to number to a 1940 shipped RM would they?
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-27-2017, 03:44 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Flathead Valley, Montana
Posts: 2,822
Likes: 2,593
Liked 12,781 Times in 1,815 Posts
|
|
Before I say anything else here I should note that part of why I made this reply is because I think you bought yourself a heck of a gun Matthew, a treasure really. I love it, and I think you did exceptionally well in buying it. Much of my interest here is that if I was in a gun buying state financially, I might have fought you a little bit for it at auction
Quote:
Originally Posted by Club Gun Fan
I saw it and it is a great looking piece.
|
If I might pull on your experience a little, what led you to believe it wasn't a factory refinish when you saw it in person?
In this case I look at the pictures and what I see is; case coloring on the hammer/trigger, a third lock that is not blued, nice wear in all the right spots, and a beautiful bright blue that doesn't seem to be something anyone really puts on guns in the post war period.
I'd personally look at these pictures and think that it was likely a pre-war factory refinish, and maybe get myself a little excited and say that when they refinished it they put some upgraded stocks on there for good measure.
Of course pictures don't usually really show you what is there, and you are undoubtedly experienced enough that when you say you don't think it's factory I would count myself lucky to know why.
It's one of the funny things about buying guns these days for many of us who have to do it online, without being fortunate enough to handle the gun in person. I personally decided a while back that when I bought a gun online that even if it wasn't exactly what I thought it was, that I should still be happy with it for whatever price I paid. Still, I've been burned a couple times (my own fault really), yet learned something each time by comparing the pictures to the actual gun.
I think as time moves forward I always want to be picking up valuable tidbits of knowledge about original finish vs factory refinish, vs non factory refinish (high grade as this one is to the obvious almost destructive reblues that are all too common). I look at this and I see a wonderful opportunity to learn something new.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-27-2017, 03:51 PM
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Pikeville, Tennessee
Posts: 6,074
Likes: 924
Liked 9,971 Times in 3,665 Posts
|
|
And 3976 left on February 23, 1909---to muddy it up a bit more.
Then we have 10688 out the door on October 9, 1915.
All of which goes to show you can go blind if you pay too much attention to all these dates and numbers.
Ralph Tremaine
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-27-2017, 05:20 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: TN - Tennessee
Posts: 487
Likes: 1,972
Liked 2,123 Times in 301 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by LLOYD17
Those magnas wouldn't happen to number to a 1940 shipped RM would they?
|
I will let you know when I take them off for inspection as soon as I get it in my paws. Hopefully by the end of the week.
__________________
Matthew Conrad
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-27-2017, 05:34 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: TN - Tennessee
Posts: 487
Likes: 1,972
Liked 2,123 Times in 301 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SixgunStrumpet
Before I say anything else here I should note that part of why I made this reply is because I think you bought yourself a heck of a gun Matthew, a treasure really. I love it, and I think you did exceptionally well in buying it. Much of my interest here is that if I was in a gun buying state financially, I might have fought you a little bit for it at auction
If I might pull on your experience a little, what led you to believe it wasn't a factory refinish when you saw it in person?
In this case I look at the pictures and what I see is; case coloring on the hammer/trigger, a third lock that is not blued, nice wear in all the right spots, and a beautiful bright blue that doesn't seem to be something anyone really puts on guns in the post war period.
I'd personally look at these pictures and think that it was likely a pre-war factory refinish, and maybe get myself a little excited and say that when they refinished it they put some upgraded stocks on there for good measure.
Of course pictures don't usually really show you what is there, and you are undoubtedly experienced enough that when you say you don't think it's factory I would count myself lucky to know why.
It's one of the funny things about buying guns these days for many of us who have to do it online, without being fortunate enough to handle the gun in person. I personally decided a while back that when I bought a gun online that even if it wasn't exactly what I thought it was, that I should still be happy with it for whatever price I paid. Still, I've been burned a couple times (my own fault really), yet learned something each time by comparing the pictures to the actual gun.
I think as time moves forward I always want to be picking up valuable tidbits of knowledge about original finish vs factory refinish, vs non factory refinish (high grade as this one is to the obvious almost destructive reblues that are all too common). I look at this and I see a wonderful opportunity to learn something new.
|
X2
Sixgun, I must admit that I am glad that you did not This is the second of my grail guns that I have been able to obtain. Patience has been preached to me by many. I think it is good advice. Thank you for the compliments.
__________________
Matthew Conrad
Last edited by M_conrad_0311; 08-27-2017 at 06:58 PM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-07-2017, 03:59 PM
|
Banned
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Battery Oaks Range, S.C.
Posts: 1,847
Likes: 5,663
Liked 3,574 Times in 1,163 Posts
|
|
Mine is 1375, it shipped in 1912. According to the letter.
|
09-08-2017, 04:52 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: TN - Tennessee
Posts: 487
Likes: 1,972
Liked 2,123 Times in 301 Posts
|
|
What is the usual ship time expected with auction houses. This TL is taking forever to get home. They told me to expect it next Wed. Over two weeks for shipping.
__________________
Matthew Conrad
Last edited by M_conrad_0311; 09-08-2017 at 04:53 PM.
|
09-08-2017, 06:11 PM
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Pikeville, Tennessee
Posts: 6,074
Likes: 924
Liked 9,971 Times in 3,665 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by M_conrad_0311
What is the usual ship time expected with auction houses. This TL is taking forever to get home. They told me to expect it next Wed. Over two weeks for shipping.
|
Step One: Formulate a scientific wild guess as to the number of lots purchased by absentee bidders---and then add 20%.
Step Two: Do another one as to how long it takes to package one item---and then add 20%.
Step Three: Multiply One by Two---and add 20% (coffee breaks).
Step Four: Factor in a little or a lot for UPS/FedEx drivers who tell their dispatchers they can't find the recipient's address----and to call the recipient for instructions. That actually happened to me last week----and added five days to the delivery time. Another time, a nice young lady, and new UPS driver took to putting our packages in plastic bags, and tying them to our gate (6/10 of a mile from our house)----right on the main road----right out in front of God and everybody----did it 3-4 times over a couple of weeks. My somewhat snarky phone calls proved to be ineffective toward solving this problem. It turned out she was afraid she wouldn't be able to turn around---once she got to wherever this mysterious road went. A letter to their president worked better. I told him they could turn around in one of their 747's----without any ground support equipment---should the need arise. Now---needless to say, you're not supposed to ask how the UPS drivers which came before her have managed to turn around for as long as UPS has had drivers.
And then add 20%.
Ralph Tremaine
|
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 06:54 PM
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The SW Va Blue Ridge
Posts: 17,547
Likes: 89,899
Liked 24,943 Times in 8,538 Posts
|
|
The FedEx driver comes to the front door. My UPS driver also ties packages in a plastic bag to my gate. My driveway is about 200 yards long.
__________________
John 3:16
WAR EAGLE!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 07:42 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: East Texas
Posts: 2,020
Likes: 18,695
Liked 9,266 Times in 1,494 Posts
|
|
Amoskeag is notoriously slow.
Sent from my SM-S975L using Tapatalk
__________________
Regards,
Bruce
|
09-08-2017, 08:00 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Massachusetts USA
Posts: 9,597
Likes: 3,713
Liked 8,952 Times in 3,558 Posts
|
|
When I bought 2 22/32 HFT's from them, I went up and picked them up in person. I don't like waiting either.
Very cool gun. I am guessing that Don felt it was not a factory refinish because there were no markings on the grip frame.
__________________
James Redfield
LM #497
|
09-09-2017, 09:14 AM
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Ardmore, OK
Posts: 791
Likes: 781
Liked 2,433 Times in 363 Posts
|
|
I envy you your new acquisition. My project TL s/n 17XX shipped 1910 --
Last edited by rhmc24; 09-09-2017 at 09:20 AM.
|
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-09-2017, 11:23 AM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: N GA
Posts: 4,466
Likes: 204
Liked 3,613 Times in 1,498 Posts
|
|
My guesstimate would be late 1908 to early 1909.
In my database the ship dates are all over the place in the range before and after yours.
|
09-11-2017, 03:18 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Spokantucky
Posts: 4,132
Likes: 10,415
Liked 6,948 Times in 2,355 Posts
|
|
Mine with #421 shipped February 17, 1908
|
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|