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I got my 28 No Dash S&W Letter today!
I'm very proud of this (6") 1959 model 28, that I recently purchased, and I hope it shoots as well as it looks. I do have a question about the letter I received from S.W.H.F.
I also am posting photos, just to show off the beauty of this vintage piece of Smith & Wesson excellence.
Question: In a previous thread, it was established that this revolver does indeed have "cokes". In the S.W.H.F. letter it states that the revolver was shipped with "Checkered Target Walnut Grips", so the "cokes" were not shipped with the gun, correct?
The "cokes" are described as "Diamond Center Checkered Goncalo Alves" in the S.C.S.W.
Anyhow glad to have my first set of "cokes".
My 28 no dash seems in super condition for 58 years old, though I haven't taken off the side plate yet (still in jail).
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More Photos!
Here's some more pics of this beauty!
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beautiful revolver. It sounds like those are the original stocks.
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beautiful revolver. It sounds like those are the original stocks.
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Thank you! Now that would be great! Just seemed a little nebulus, as written.
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Well I'm not an expert on "cokes" but those stocks in the picture are for sure 1) target stocks, 2) they have a diamond in the center, 3) they are checkered and 4) they don't look like walnut to me.
Some one should be along who can confirm.
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Also not a Coke expert, being primarily a K frame collector. But here are a couple comments that might help.
"Cokes" was not official S&W terminology, so what Roy wrote in the letter does not eliminate the idea that your HP shipped with Cokes, which would have been in inventory at the time your gun shipped. Cokes were "checkered . . . target stocks."
I'm not at all convinced that all Cokes were made of GA. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I've seen walnut Cokes and yours do appear to be made of walnut (although the pictures leave a bit to be desired in the view shown of the outside of them).
Others here with more experience with the Coke-bottle target stocks may be able to provide more insight.
I will say that you have one very fine looking Highway Patrolman. I've owned six or seven of them over the years, and most of them have not looked that good, excepting only the two I bought new.
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Also not a Coke expert, being primarily a K frame collector. But here are a couple comments that might help.
"Cokes" was not official S&W terminology, so what Roy wrote in the letter does not eliminate the idea that your HP shipped with Cokes, which would have been in inventory at the time your gun shipped. Cokes were "checkered . . . target stocks."
I'm not at all convinced that all Cokes were made of GA. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I've seen walnut Cokes and yours do appear to be made of walnut (although the pictures leave a bit to be desired in the view shown of the outside of them). That is one point of contention for me "Walnut stocks" vs "Goncalo Alves" as defined in the S.C.S.W.
Others here with more experience with the Coke-bottle target stocks may be able to provide more insight.
I will say that you have one very fine looking Highway Patrolman. I've owned six or seven of them over the years, and most of them have not looked that good, excepting only the two I bought new.
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Thank you on the compliment, and thank you for sharing your experience with this model.
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Much appreciated! I hope to have a lot of fun shooting this one, very soon!
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Sweet looking S&W model 28 6" revolvers.
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Congrats on scoring a very nice revolver ,thanks for posting I enjoyed .would love to see a report on how it shoots .
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Nice 28 you have there! Congratulations! My 28 is S2011xx shipped in 1960. You will enjoy shooting it! Bob
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Nice gun. Those definitely are 'Coke' grips.
I am basing this on the larger than normal checking area, slight swell (hence the name) in the middle, and date etc.
I'm excited for you about the grips, but more excited that you have a 5-screw HP. They are nice guns and a ton of fun to shoot. Best, TH
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Ummm, no, it is a four screw HP. The fifth screw was eliminated before model numbers were used. Note the absence of the upper sideplate screw in the OP's pictures.
Otherwise, I agree with you: this is a wonderful gun in excellent condition with superb stocks.
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I've never seen or heard of a 28 that shipped with Cokes, though anything is possible with S&W. Has anyone else? I'd be curious.
BTW, great aquisition and beautiful set of Cokes!
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Nice 28 you have there! Congratulations! My 28 is S2011xx shipped in 1960. You will enjoy shooting it! Bob
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Very nice! Love the pics and very cool grips! What grips are those? Looks like we have at least a couple of different era revolvers in common!
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Nice gun. Those definitely are 'Coke' grips.
I am basing this on the larger than normal checking area, slight swell (hence the name) in the middle, and date etc.
I'm excited for you about the grips, but more excited that you have a 5-screw HP. What JP@AK says! They are nice guns and a ton of fun to shoot. Best, TH
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Thank you, looking forward to it!
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I've never seen or heard of a 28 that shipped with Cokes, though anything is possible with S&W. Has anyone else? I'd be curious.
BTW, great aquisition and beautiful set of Cokes!
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Great question, and the answer of which I'll be anxiously awaiting, to hear.
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Missed part of it because I was focused on stocks. Haha. Nice gone nevertheless.
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Just my .02 I will go out on a limb and say the only guns shipped with "Cokes" were 41 and 44 magnums. The being said I have bought more Highway Patrolmans for the grips they were wearing than I can count and in a couple of occasions they had cokes on them. Most of them were 4" guns and the common thought/configuration for 4" guns was Magna stocks
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Agreed. I have rarely encountered a 4" HP that shipped with target stocks. On the 6" they are much more common, but not nearly universal as they are on the Combat Magnum K frame.
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Great looking Model 28 for sure. Wish I had one that nice. And congratulations to the OP for a great find.
My question for the experts is: If the Cokes shipped with the gun in 1959, would they not be numbered to the gun?
I ask that because I don't know when S&W stopped numbering the stocks to the guns.
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Only a very few target stocks were numbered to the gun they shipped on, and I believe most, if not all, of them were not Cokes, but K frame targets that shipped on early Combat Magnum revolvers (or maybe it was the Combat Masterpiece). By 1959, I would not expect numbered target stocks, and certainly not on an N frame.
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That is a sweet HP! Congrats! A few thoughts on the cokes. In the first post the right grip checkering appears to have a much sharper corner at the top of the pattern on the front than the left, almost square. In post #8 one can see that it's rounded but still not as rounded as the right side. I assume these were hand checkered so differences are understandable. Could they be refurbished...possibly by DWFan and one time?
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Since it is late and I am tired I am going to piggy back on to this thread rather than do a search, and ask a question about the going rate for a 28-2. I am looking at what I think is a 1966 28-2 with a serial number of S260XXX. I have to get up early tomorrow to go take a look at the gun and make an offer. I don't have to have the gun for the asking price of $800, but it would be nice to add it to my collection. The seeker describes it as like new with the original box but no tools. I was thinking of offering $700. I know these guns are rising in price but I have a pristine 27-2, just not a 28-2 but it is not a holy grail gun. If I can't get it for $700 I am prepared to move on to a 13-3 3inch that is also available. It does not have correct grips and is also over priced, I think at $750. I was thinking more along the lines of $600-650. Again I don't have to have it but it would be nice. So am I being too intractable with my purchase or no purchase strategy?
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That is a sweet HP! Congrats! A few thoughts on the cokes. In the first post the right grip checkering appears to have a much sharper corner at the top of the pattern on the front than the left, almost square. In post #8 one can see that it's rounded but still not as rounded as the right side. I assume these were hand checkered so differences are understandable. Could they be refurbished...possibly by DWFan and one time?
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Thank you! The HP appears to be growing in popularity. It's nice to come up with a strong representative of the Smith & Wesson Highway Patrolman. I'm very happy to own this one!
Any inequities are more a function of human touch, I would assume. As far as refurbished, I am very doubtful having examined the stocks. They appear in original vintage condition.
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Since it is late and I am tired I am going to piggy back on to this thread rather than do a search, and ask a question about the going rate for a 28-2. I am looking at what I think is a 1966 28-2 with a serial number of S260XXX. I have to get up early tomorrow to go take a look at the gun and make an offer.
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Question: In a previous thread, it was established that this revolver does indeed have "cokes". In the S.W.H.F. letter it states that the revolver was shipped with "Checkered Target Walnut Grips", so the "cokes" were not shipped with the gun, correct?
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I do believe that this is correct. Your gun was probably a special order and shipped with walnut Diamond Target grips. Most "Cokes" I've seen are Goncalo Alves but I've also seen some which appeared to be Rosewood. I don't ever recall seeing a set of Walnut "Cokes" ever. The member to ask would be Doc44 though.
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FWIW a Google for the 1960's S&W catalog Image found a reference back to this forum. The Model 28 in the catalog from 1963 showed grips like those on the OPs revolver.
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Very nice! Love the pics and very cool grips! What grips are those? Looks like we have at least a couple of different era revolvers in common!
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Herrett. Have a few sets of them. A good feel & size for me. They are on my 25-15 now. Bob
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I think the stocks stand I high probability of being original. Ultimately, there's no way to know, but the letter states it did ship with target stocks and those are age appropriate target stocks, that's as close to sure as you're probably going not get.
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The Highway Patrolman is a utility version of the .357 magnum that became the model 27. It wears a dull finish and was not finished to the standards of the model 27. I don't believe that S&W would have shipped them with "cokes" and I too have heard that "cokes" were reserved for the 41 and 44 magnum revolvers.
I think that many times target stocks appear to have a palm swell but the palm swell of true "cokes" is pronounced.
Most target stocks came unnumbered as they did not require the fitting that regular stock do as well as the fact that many times they were ordered later so they would not be numbered to any gun.
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Since it is late and I am tired I am going to piggy back on to this thread rather than do a search, and ask a question about the going rate for a 28-2. I am looking at what I think is a 1966 28-2 with a serial number of S260XXX. I have to get up early tomorrow to go take a look at the gun and make an offer. I don't have to have the gun for the asking price of $800, but it would be nice to add it to my collection. The seeker describes it as like new with the original box but no tools. I was thinking of offering $700. I know these guns are rising in price but I have a pristine 27-2, just not a 28-2 but it is not a holy grail gun. If I can't get it for $700 I am prepared to move on to a 13-3 3inch that is also available. It does not have correct grips and is also over priced, I think at $750. I was thinking more along the lines of $600-650. Again I don't have to have it but it would be nice. So am I being too intractable with my purchase or no purchase strategy?
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IMO, I don't think $800 is out of line for a "like new" S series 28-2 4" with matching stocks. Try for less, but if you like it, I'd buy it. I'm not sure enough about the 13. The bbl length helps price, and non original grips hurt it a bit.
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Herrett. Have a few sets of them. A good feel & size for me. They are on my 25-15 now. Bob
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Ah, I remembered seeing them on other guns, but light didn't come one! Thanks!
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Great Contributions, Thanks all!
This is why, you have to love this forum, real detailed knowledge, understanding, and experience with these great Smith & Wesson guns. It's been quite an enjoyable learning experience for me, thanks all!
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I think the stocks stand I high probability of being original. Ultimately, there's no way to know, but the letter states it did ship with target stocks and those are age appropriate target stocks, that's as close to sure as you're probably going not get.
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I'm starting to gravitate to this conclusion, and in the end, the stocks will stay with the 28, as I received it. Thanks!
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From an original S&W catalog I have dated May 1st, 1961.
Don't know if this helps you at all though.
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From an original S&W catalog I have dated May 1st, 1961.
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Very cool to read these old guns advertisements. Thanks a million on that, and it does support the possibility that those grips were ordered with the gun. I suspect I will never know with certainty, but I am grateful to have such a fine specimen of the venerable Model 28 Highway Patrolman.
Thanks for presenting!
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This is just my opinion and there are FAR more knowledgable experts on this forum. Heck, we have people that have shot target practice with true pioneers of our hobby on this forum. In stating this, my "belief", is that these stocks were not original to the gun and were later added and concur that they would have most likely been on a .44. You can never say 'always' and you can never say 'never' with S&W, but my 'belief' is that they were added afterwards. I would have to see them in person to give a definitive response on my belief. I am basing this on the picture, the apparent swell in the middle, the apparently larger checkering, the date/frame of the gun.
@ the OP, perhaps there is a local forum member who could authenticate in person or maybe a SWCA member in the area with knowledge???
In any event, really nice gun and thank you for sharing. Best, TH.
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@ the OP, sorry for posting a few times in this thread but the more I think about it...
I have seen in person 'cokes' that were more pronounced and others that were not. So much so, that if you didn't mention it to someone, they may have not noticed the swell in the middle of the grip. My thought is somebody bought the gun and the grips were added later. How many of us have replaced grips/stocks on a gun because it is what we had as an extra. Folks back then didn't know they would command the prices they do now. Just thinking out loud, I guess.
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IMO, I don't think $800 is out of line for a "like new" S series 28-2 4" with matching stocks. Try for less, but if you like it, I'd buy it. I'm not sure enough about the 13. The bbl length helps price, and non original grips hurt it a bit.
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I think that if you have to stare at a set of stocks trying to convince yourself that they are "cokes" (so named because they resemble a coke bottle) then they are probably not "cokes" but merely target stocks.
Coke bottle stocks have a very pronounced palm swell the same way that a coke bottle does not look like a Pepsi bottle.
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Here are some pictures of the 28-2. Once I got it home and looked it over I must say it is in way better condition than I thought. Really nice coloring on the hammer and trigger. Serial number puts it in the late 1966 range, 262393. Glad I didn't walk away from this deal.
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@ the OP, sorry for posting a few times in this thread but the more I think about it...
I have seen in person 'cokes' that were more pronounced and others that were not. So much so, that if you didn't mention it to someone, they may have not noticed the swell in the middle of the grip. My thought is somebody bought the gun and the grips were added later. How many of us have replaced grips/stocks on a gun because it is what we had as an extra. Folks back then didn't know they would command the prices they do now. Just thinking out loud, I guess.
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No apology needed, glad to hear your opinion. No doubt, at this juncture, they are cokes, only question is whether they came originally on this gun, and it seems the answer is inconclusive!
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Here are some pictures of the 28-2. Once I got it home and looked it over I must say it is in way better condition than I thought. Really nice coloring on the hammer and trigger. Serial number puts it in the late 1966 range, 262393. Glad I didn't walk away from this deal.
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Sweet lookin 28! Good deal!
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I don't know. Holding up a brand newly purchased S&W with a COLT prop rod must be some form of blasphemy.
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I don't know. Holding up a brand newly purchased S&W with a COLT prop rod must be some form of blasphemy.
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No, it's just like the classic case of the box hanging on the wall with the S&W 5" Model 27 behind the glass with "In Case Of Emergency Break Glass" stencilled on it. And of course the Colt Police Positive hanging from the chain.
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The Highway Patrolman is a utility version of the .357 magnum that became the model 27. It wears a dull finish and was not finished to the standards of the model 27. I don't believe that S&W would have shipped them with "cokes" and I too have heard that "cokes" were reserved for the 41 and 44 magnum revolvers.
I think that many times target stocks appear to have a palm swell but the palm swell of true "cokes" is pronounced.
Most target stocks came unnumbered as they did not require the fitting that regular stock do as well as the fact that many times they were ordered later so they would not be numbered to any gun.
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Thnk you for posting a picture of your Cokes. I knew you'd have the answer.
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No problem Donny, always trying to help...
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If an HP was ordered with target stocks (per the option in the All Model Circular) it would have been shipped with target stocks made of walnut with the standard checkering pattern. IF a person wanted an HP with special oversize target stocks made of Goncalo alves (or a few in rosewood, i. e. coke bottle stocks) the order would have to specify these stocks. The invoice for an HP shipped with regular target stocks made of walnut would state something like, M28, 357 HIGHWAY PATROL 6, B, TS. If the stocks were coke bottle stocks, it would state something like M28, 357 HIGHWAY PATROL, 6, B, GONZ TS and the price would be slightly higher. S&W used GONZ to indicate stocks made of Goncalo alves.
I am confident your Model 28 shipped with regular target stocks made of walnut and the coke bottles are an after marker upgrade. I have never seen a pair of coke bottle stocks made of American walnut.
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I have never seen a pair of coke bottle stocks made of American walnut.
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Thanks, Bill.
That is the part I was wondering about.
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