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Greetings SWF - a Gent has a very nice looking .32 Hand Ejector for sale in the area for $500. It does not have a box but does include a nice-looking vintage holster. He says it was made around 1950. Biggest question is does SWF think it's worth $500? I think it's the same frame as the Terrier, but I don't know. I know very little about these so now the dumb question; would it be in .32 S&W Long or just .32 S&W? I cannot read the roll mark on the barrel ... And, last but not least, does it look like it's been refinished? Thanks!!



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That may be some overpriced but as much as I like the little .32 snubs I probably would drop that much if I could not talk him down any. How often you going to find one in that kind of condition. Plus, I like it when I get a vintage holster in a deal like that.

Finish looks original to me and yes, .32 Long.

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What about the holster? Give us an image of it and there is a possibility that the overall value will go up.
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It looks to be all original. Half moon front sight. 5-screw frame. Short J frame or Improved I frame depending on who you ask. And, yes, it's a .32 S&W Long but will shoot .32 S&W also. Lots of guys lengthen the chambers on non-collector grade guns to .32 H&R Mag. The frame is plenty strong enough. I would be VERY tempted at that price. A box would put it over the top, but you can't shoot a box. :-)
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Very nice 32 HE 5 screw, and about the right price in that condition for an Improved I frame 1st version (round sight). These shipped from #557875 12/51 to #611398 2nd quarter 1952. Is yours within this serial # range?

You must realize almost no one can read all the markings on these guns without a visual aid. So of course you can read it, but you have to make the effort. You must provide good information if you want good information from us.

I see no obvious clues to a refinish, except the slight purplish hue to the frame bluing, but that could be the light/photo.

It is the same frame as the Terrier of the same model.

My 1st conversion to .32 H&R Mag was this 30-1 J frame; cyl is 1.390” long and 1.305" OD:


Pre war and the Post War Transitional I frames are 1.250” long but only 1.265” OD.

Starting with the "Improved" I frame .32 cylinders are still only 1.250" long. BUT have the larger 1.305” Cyl O.D of the J frames.

The 32 H&R Mag round from front of rim to bullet tip is 1.275". Therefore, the "Improved" I and the Model of 1953 /Mod 30 and 31 ‘NEW’ I frames, are all pre J frame models that have J frame size cylinder ODs, but are a little short by .025" for the cartridge. I have converted one for a hand loader who just seats his 32 Mag bullets .025" deeper.
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Either buy it or get the guy to sell it on this forum please.
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Gentlemen - Thank you very much for your comments and info! I have posted two more pictures. I have taken another look at my finances and it doesn't look so good for this one. Living on SS isn't so good for frequent buys ... That said, I probably shouldn't post his email address here openly - PM me and I will provide it. It is listed on Virginia Gun Trader and visible there, to anyone, if you search for the word "Ejector". I'm almost certain I'm not supposed to post a link but Google is your friend! You will be able to see the full ad but not be able to contact the seller without an account - but I can provide his addy as mentioned. I'm sorry for the false start on this, I have a few J-frames but nothing like this. It looked great last night but my financial reality settled in this morning!





By the way, I have no connection to the seller and I will not profit, in any way, if someone here buys it. I didn't start this post with the intention of helping the guy sell his .32.
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I wouldn't hesitate on that one. It was made between 52 & 53. I have one on either side of it, #'s 589xxx and 600xxx which date 7/52 and 1/53.
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I like that holster! The .32 HE also!
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It still shows as available on gun trader. I have $350 - but I've run out of things to pawn (here on classifieds) for the other $150. Especially, since the dermatology clinic said, this morning, that my toe laser treatments are going to be $450 a pop for three months ...
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Saw that post tonight. Right after I messaged him the post disappeared. We'll see if he messages back.
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Geo, I'm sorry that you couldn't make that deal. I have a number of these little guys, and one that came shortly after the one that you posted. That is a little beauty, and the vintage holster is icing on the cake. I hope that it goes to a good home with one of the forum members!!

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Too late. I grabbed it.
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One of the reasons I wanted to get this little .32 was so that I could have another handgun capable (I think!) of firing .32ACP. If some of these can be safely converted to .32H&R - I thinking/guessing that they'd be safe with .32ACP? I don't know about the headspace situation - but ACP's fit in my Ruger .32HR just fine. I like to experiment with odd ball caliber matchups - next up is to load some 90-g-ish HP's in .38 Short Colt ...

Edited to add: Virginia Gun Trader continues to slide downhill, IMO. Just three years ago or so, a person would see more than a few steel-framed S&W's, and an occasional Colt, listed. Now, the vast majority of listings are for, in order: SA plastics like XD, FN (all plastic), undesirable Glocks (G27, G22, G21), Ruger plastics followed by all the other polymer junkers like Taurus ... with a very rare decent steel S&W but quite a few aluminum J-frames. Even scratchy M64's have disappeared! I bought one of the sow's ear 64's in 2015 and sent it to the mothership for a 3-inch barrel and turned it into purt-near a silk purse.

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Yes, 32 ACP is fine. The chambers are slightly oversize but with it's semi-rim they work, are safe and shoot just fine.
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Got a few minutes to get the cylinder out and stocks off for a good scrubbing. Stocks number to the gun, stamped on the right grip. Is it normal for both the assembly # and serial # to be stamped on the crane?
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Just FYI, on Smiths the swing out portion that the cyl is mounted on is referred to as the Yoke by S&W. Crane is a Colt term.

No the serial # on the yoke is unusual for a S&W. After 1957 we see the assembly # moved from the 'yoke cut' on the frame to the left side of the grip frame and the serial # added in the 'yoke cut' of the frame when serial number locations were decreased.

SERIAL # LOCATIONS: To confirm all parts are original, one can check for the 6 (or 7, on Triple Locks only) matching serial # locations for fixed sight pre war Hand Ejectors and all post war Hand Ejectors thru ~1956 (and a few as much as 3 years later).


1. Gun butt – (or fore strap on I frames/single shots with grips that cover the butt)

2. Barrel - bottom of barrel or in extractor shroud

3. Yoke - on rear face only visible thru a chamber with a flashlight

4. Extractor star - backside

5. Cylinder - rear face

6. Right stock only - on back; stamped, scratched or penciled depending on vintage and stock material. (except most post war target grips because individual fitting not required.)

7. Triple Locks only: rear side of middle lock cam plate


ASSEMBLY (factory work) #s: These multi-digit numbers of 3 to 5 digits, are on the yoke at the hinge, in the ‘yoke cut’ on frame (accompanied with a stamped inspector letter) opposite the yoke above the hinge, and inside of the sideplate, for the pre war and early post war period. Once the gun is shipped, the only use for the assembly is to confirm the three parts it's stamped on are original.

In 1957 the assembly # in the yoke cut of the frame was relocated to the left side of grip frame after model #s were assigned and the serial # was eventually added in the ‘yoke cut’ where the assembly #, now moved to the left side of the grip frame, used to be. You know they are assembly (factory work) #s because of those 3 locations that always match on guns that are original, and that’s the only usefulness for them after guns leave the factory; still used to this day, long after serial number locations decreased.
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"I thinking/guessing that they'd be safe with .32ACP? I don't know about the headspace situation - but ACP's fit in my Ruger .32HR just fine."

They will work, but a couple of cautions. First, the fired cases may hang up during ejection, as the .32 ACP semi-rim diameter is small, smaller than a .32 Long rim. Second, you may occasionally get failures to fire, because there is some excess headspace, as the .32 ACP semi-rim is also thinner than the .32 Long. I have experienced both conditions. A third consideration is that the .32 ACP bullet diameter is a little undersize for the .32 Long barrel, and you will probably not get great grouping. But that is not much of a consideration for a snubby.

Bottom line, using .32 ACP is fine for fun shooting, where such issues as saving your skin from a BG do not exist. But for personal defense use, I wouldn't take a chance on using .32 ACP in a .32 Long revolver.
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Just FYI, on Smiths the swing out portion that the cyl is mounted on is referred to as the Yoke by S&W. Crane is a Colt term.

No the serial # on the yoke is unusual for a S&W. After 1957 we see the assembly # moved from the the 'yoke cut' on the frame to the left side of the grip frame and the serial # added in the 'yoke cut' of the frame when serial number locations were decreased.

SERIAL # LOCATIONS: To confirm all parts are original, one can check for the 6 (or 7, on Triple Locks only) matching serial # locations for fixed sight pre war Hand Ejectors and all post war Hand Ejectors thru ~1956 (and a few as much as 3 years later).


1. Gun butt – (or fore strap on I frames/single shots with grips that cover the butt)

2. Barrel - bottom of barrel or in extractor shroud

3. Yoke - on rear face only visible thru a chamber with a flashlight

4. Extractor star - backside

5. Cylinder - rear face

6. Right stock only - on back; stamped, scratched or penciled depending on vintage and stock material. (except most post war target grips because individual fitting not required.)

7. Triple Locks only: rear side of middle lock cam plate


ASSEMBLY (factory work) #s: These multi-digit numbers of 3 to 5 digits, are on the yoke at the hinge, in the ‘yoke cut’ on frame (accompanied with a stamped inspector letter) opposite the yoke above the hinge, and inside of the sideplate, for the pre war and early post war period. Once the gun is shipped, the only use for the assembly is to confirm the three parts it's stamped on are original.

In 1957 the assembly # in the yoke cut of the frame was relocated to the left side of grip frame after model #s were assigned and the serial # was eventually added in the ‘yoke cut’ where the assembly #, now moved to the left side of the grip frame, used to be. You know they are assembly (factory work) #s because of those 3 locations that always match on guns that are original, and that’s the only usefulness for them after guns leave the factory; still used to this day, long after serial number locations decreased.
Sorry, I remembered the term "yoke" too late. Thank you for taking the time to enlighten me on the numbers question. I'm looking forward to retiring in the next few years and learning what you know about these fine revolvers.
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I failed to check VaGT every few hours - and missed a nice Model 65 this morning. Four-inch and some scratches - but looks like it would have cleaned up pretty nicely I think ... $420 ...


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