Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Revolvers > S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961
o

Notices

S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-10-2017, 02:49 PM
Redcoat3340's Avatar
Redcoat3340 Redcoat3340 is offline
Member
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Washington State
Posts: 1,405
Likes: 614
Liked 1,719 Times in 628 Posts
Default Value of .38 M&P Post War

Fella wants to sell me a .38 M&P Post War transitional....

Here's what he says about it:

S&W 5 screw, post-war transitional, .38 Military & Police revolver with 6" barrel. Serial number S907*** shipped approximately 1947. The timing and lockup are right on, no push off, approximately .002" of cylinder rotation in lockup and approximately .005" of end shake. The bore is bright and shiny with no pitting. Some thinning of the original bluing with light handling marks and a cylinder turn line. Non-standard factory installed brass pin front sight. Stocks number to the gun.

Can anyone help me with a value on this? Here's a pic or two:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg untitled.jpg (19.4 KB, 183 views)
File Type: jpg 5977644_01_s_w_5_screw_post_war_transitio_640[1].jpg (96.7 KB, 159 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #2  
Old 10-10-2017, 02:53 PM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is offline
Member
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,479
Likes: 236
Liked 28,938 Times in 14,012 Posts
Default

It probably shipped around May-June 1947. The grips do not seem original (you should check to see if they are numbered to the frame), and it appears that something has been done to the front sight as you have mentioned. I'd say that anything over $400 is getting too pricey.

Last edited by DWalt; 10-10-2017 at 02:59 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #3  
Old 10-10-2017, 02:54 PM
Absalom's Avatar
Absalom Absalom is offline
SWCA Member
Absent Comrade
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,834
Likes: 10,103
Liked 27,995 Times in 8,452 Posts
Default

I’d say maybe 350 tops if you want it. For me the mutilated front sight would be a deal breaker since these are not hard to find all-original, and the 6-inch barrel tends to be the least desirable.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-10-2017, 03:45 PM
Targets Guy's Avatar
Targets Guy Targets Guy is offline
US Veteran
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southwest Iowa
Posts: 10,867
Likes: 2,688
Liked 18,968 Times in 5,588 Posts
Default

tree, tree fiddy tops.

Shame about the front sights. Some lame brain did the same thing to my '47 six inch barrel. Must have been a trend back then.
__________________
Mike
S&WCA #3065
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-10-2017, 03:50 PM
Redcoat3340's Avatar
Redcoat3340 Redcoat3340 is offline
Member
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Washington State
Posts: 1,405
Likes: 614
Liked 1,719 Times in 628 Posts
Default

What makes the 6" barrel less desirable? I like the idea of the additional 1 or 2 inch of sight radius for accuracy....and I'm not necessarily buying this as a straight-on collector piece, more of a shootable collector piece....to sandwich in between a Combat Masterpiece, a Victory I want to someday add, and a 19-5 as an example of a more "modern" S&W.

Also, the guy who owns it seems to be saying the brass bead was factory installed, albeit non-standard. Does that sound right?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-10-2017, 03:58 PM
Targets Guy's Avatar
Targets Guy Targets Guy is offline
US Veteran
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southwest Iowa
Posts: 10,867
Likes: 2,688
Liked 18,968 Times in 5,588 Posts
Default

Normally they made more six inchers. Factory installed would be better than garage installed. Mine is a good shooter. Previous owner installed some sort of a bone bead in the front sight and sanded the original magna grips smooth. But I just collect shooters and this M&P postwar (s/n S944xxx) is one of those.



__________________
Mike
S&WCA #3065
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-10-2017, 04:14 PM
smith17's Avatar
smith17 smith17 is offline
SWCA Member
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,796
Likes: 725
Liked 1,116 Times in 304 Posts
Default

I don't think they made more 6 inchers of that gun. Maybe the least common.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-10-2017, 04:16 PM
Absalom's Avatar
Absalom Absalom is offline
SWCA Member
Absent Comrade
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,834
Likes: 10,103
Liked 27,995 Times in 8,452 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redcoat3340 View Post
What makes the 6" barrel less desirable? I like the idea of the additional 1 or 2 inch of sight radius for accuracy....and I'm not necessarily buying this as a straight-on collector piece, .....

Also, the guy who owns it seems to be saying the brass bead was factory installed, albeit non-standard. Does that sound right?
On the desirability, I’m just reporting an observation based on several years of following M&P’s on auction sites, I’m not implying any judgment. I’ve got a 6-incher too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Targets Guy View Post
Normally they made more six inchers.....
I’m fairly certain that was not the case with the S-series, but I hope Jack looks at this thread because I believe he has data on the relative prevalence of the barrel lengths.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #9  
Old 10-10-2017, 04:29 PM
Redcoat3340's Avatar
Redcoat3340 Redcoat3340 is offline
Member
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Washington State
Posts: 1,405
Likes: 614
Liked 1,719 Times in 628 Posts
Default

Geeze....you guys are great!!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-10-2017, 05:41 PM
JP@AK's Avatar
JP@AK JP@AK is offline
US Veteran
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Palmer, Alaska
Posts: 14,477
Likes: 5,111
Liked 18,981 Times in 6,862 Posts
Default

Hi

S907xxx would normally have shipped in May or June, 1947. As Absalom mentioned, I keep an extensive database on these S prefix M&P revolvers and I show several in that serial range. I would greatly appreciate having the full serial number to add to the cumulative knowledge we have about this unique period in S&W revolver production. Please send it to me via PM if you don't want to post the complete serial number on the open forum. Thanks.

As for the commonality of the 6" barrel, it was probably the least produced of the four lengths available at that time. My data show only about 10% having the 6" barrel, with the 2" guns running a close second at about 11%. The remaining 79% are roughly divided between the 4" and 5" barrels, with the 4" having a slight edge. But this represents only a sample size of approximately 1200 pieces, so those numbers could change as I gather more information.

I seriously doubt that bead front sight is original. I have seen no evidence that sights like that were put on production guns with the fixed rear sight. The Mexican Model and a few other special order adjustable sight guns in the S prefix range would have had special order target sights, but this clearly is not one of those. I suppose it could have been a special order gun, but to find that out would cost you $75 for a letter and the results would probably show it to be an after-market alteration.
__________________
Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-10-2017, 06:00 PM
JP@AK's Avatar
JP@AK JP@AK is offline
US Veteran
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Palmer, Alaska
Posts: 14,477
Likes: 5,111
Liked 18,981 Times in 6,862 Posts
Default

Checking the database, I find a run of 5" guns leading into the S907xxx range. At about S9075xx, there is a switch to 6" barrels that lasts nearly to the end of the S909xxx range.

The earliest ship date in this group is April, 1947, and the latest is July, 1947. What is interesting is that the April shipment was of a gun that went over to King for the King Super Target modification. It had a 6" barrel, as one would expect.

Another interesting feature of Redcoat3340's revolver is the extractor rod knob. By this time, the knurled end had largely superseded the knob. However, between S903000 and S908000 I have located three revolvers that still had the knob on the extractor rod. All three have 6" barrels. All the other 6" guns in this range that have shown up had the knurled end with no notch machined into the bottom of the barrel. This might reflect the paucity of 6" guns being produced in 1946-47, with a few older 6" barrels already notched just sitting in the bin.

It is fun to speculate on matters like this!

Edit: It turns out that the gun which is the subject of this thread was already in my database. So, correct what I posted above. I have only located TWO (not three) 6" guns in this serial range that have the knob on the extractor rod.
__________________
Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318

Last edited by JP@AK; 10-10-2017 at 06:28 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #12  
Old 10-10-2017, 06:05 PM
Redcoat3340's Avatar
Redcoat3340 Redcoat3340 is offline
Member
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Washington State
Posts: 1,405
Likes: 614
Liked 1,719 Times in 628 Posts
Default

And just to add to the discussion....here's a picture of the front sight. And Jack, I sent you a pm with the whole serial number.

Aw hell, here it is: S907854
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_2988 (1).jpg (88.2 KB, 91 views)
File Type: jpg fullsizeoutput_11d.jpg (54.0 KB, 80 views)
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-10-2017, 06:25 PM
JP@AK's Avatar
JP@AK JP@AK is offline
US Veteran
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Palmer, Alaska
Posts: 14,477
Likes: 5,111
Liked 18,981 Times in 6,862 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redcoat3340 View Post
And just to add to the discussion....here's a picture of the front sight.
It looks like someone just soldered a gold bead on top of the original sight. The good news is the sight does not appear to have been ground on or filed.

Quote:
Jack, I sent you a pm with the whole serial number
Thanks. I saw that and replied. I am going to edit my earlier post to reflect what I learned in our sidebar discussion. I appreciate your assistance with my research.
__________________
Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-10-2017, 06:25 PM
Absalom's Avatar
Absalom Absalom is offline
SWCA Member
Absent Comrade
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,834
Likes: 10,103
Liked 27,995 Times in 8,452 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redcoat3340 View Post
And just to add to the discussion....here's a picture of the front sight. And Jack, I sent you a pm with the whole serial number.

Aw hell, here it is: S907854
That looks pretty harmless, like someone just soldered a piece to the original sight without actually modifying it. If someone really wanted that gun or it were available for an irresistable price, that sight could likely be restored to like-before condition without too much trouble.

PS: As Jack said ....

Last edited by Absalom; 10-10-2017 at 06:27 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #15  
Old 10-10-2017, 08:19 PM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is offline
Member
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,479
Likes: 236
Liked 28,938 Times in 14,012 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Absalom View Post
That looks pretty harmless, like someone just soldered a piece to the original sight without actually modifying it. If someone really wanted that gun or it were available for an irresistable price, that sight could likely be restored to like-before condition without too much trouble.

PS: As Jack said ....
As a shooter, I wouldn't bother. It's likely to be more easily seen than the original half-moon front sight. Probably a blob of silver solder.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-23-2017, 03:35 AM
silvertip43 silvertip43 is offline
Member
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Oakland, Oregon
Posts: 98
Likes: 1,512
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Hi Jack, I have five s prefix MP's. One is a 5" serial number 907884, 30 numbers higher than Redcoats 6".
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-23-2017, 08:56 AM
Waveski's Avatar
Waveski Waveski is offline
Member
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Midwest
Posts: 1,723
Likes: 986
Liked 1,966 Times in 837 Posts
Default

If the price were shooter-reasonable , I would enjoy it as such , sight mod and all. Most of us here have nice original revolvers ; the one in question is not collectible anyway.

6" barrel , Brass bead ...Range - here I come!
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11-24-2017, 12:56 PM
JP@AK's Avatar
JP@AK JP@AK is offline
US Veteran
Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War Value of .38 M&P Post War  
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Palmer, Alaska
Posts: 14,477
Likes: 5,111
Liked 18,981 Times in 6,862 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by silvertip43 View Post
Hi Jack, I have five s prefix MP's. One is a 5" serial number 907884, 30 numbers higher than Redcoats 6".
Thanks. Now in my database. Could you tell me about the stocks or send some photos of them (if original)?

Also, would you kindly send me a PM with the serial numbers and barrel length of your other 4 revolvers? Also, describe the stocks, if original.

Thank you!!! I have been deeply appreciative of all the assistance I have received for my project by members of this Forum. You all are a great bunch of guys.
__________________
Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Commercial 1917 Target - letter confirmed, post #13 - SWHF docs, post #15 Tom K S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 17 05-08-2015 10:40 AM
Ten Thousand Post Karma, closing noon 3-6-15. We have a winner! See post 116. snubbyfan The Lounge 130 03-13-2015 10:28 PM
Drunken Vandalism, Last update(I think), go to first post, latest news on first post snubbyfan The Lounge 44 09-08-2013 10:01 PM
4000 post Karma...Jinks letter...Winner picked last post 29aholic The Lounge 59 07-05-2011 11:05 AM
200th Post Karma AGI Tape +++WINNER CHOSEN+++SEE 1st POST+++ Babalooie The Lounge 33 09-22-2009 12:04 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:22 AM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)