K-22 Outdoorsman Rear Sight

globalkooler · #1 01-18-2018, 07:14 PM

I have a K-22 Outdoorsman that is missing the rear sight. I have been unsuccessful in locating same. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks.

cgt4570 · #2 01-18-2018, 08:01 PM

I'll check my stash but in the meantime, you should post an ad in the Want to buy section.

wheelgun610 · #3 01-18-2018, 08:06 PM

There were two slightly different rear sights on those. One had just a single screw to adjust the elevation, and the later, improved version had another screw to hold the adjustment. If you can post the serial number of your K-22, we could probably advise you on which one would be correct. A photo of the top strap might also shed a clue.

That will be the first step in helping to locate what you need, and will be a lot easier than the "finding" part.

And, welcome to the forum.

Mark

gmborkovic · #4 01-18-2018, 08:16 PM

I dont mean to be nosy, but what happened to the original sight?
i never keep any compete sights in stock at the store, just blades and little parts.

H Richard · #5 01-18-2018, 08:27 PM

Finding one in good usable condition might be a chore, and when you do find one, it will probably be a little pricey, $150 or more.

globalkooler · #6 01-18-2018, 08:59 PM

Chris: I'll go looking for the Want-T0-Buy and post there, thanks.
Mark: Thanks, the SR# is 656xxx and I believe it was made in 1936 or 37.
Mike: I bought this K-22 at auction and the photos didn't show enough detail to reveal there was no rear sight.
Richard: Obviously I was hoping for more like $50 but beggars can't be choosers. Thanks to all.

wheelgun610 · #7 01-18-2018, 10:00 PM

This one is the correct style for one in the 656000 serial range. It's on my 1934-ish .38 M&P Target which is the same frame size as the K-22 Outdoorsman.

Mark

globalkooler · #8 01-17-2019, 07:01 PM

I am still looking for this rear sight.

DWalt · #9 01-17-2019, 07:08 PM

Keep on looking. You might get lucky but it could take awhile as these don't grow on trees. The double rear screw (shown above) would be the correct type.

Hondo44 · #10 01-17-2019, 10:10 PM

Dave Clements makes reproductions for ~$100, but doesn't always have them in stock. I'd check with him 1st:

Clements Custom Guns

Other possible sources:

Lee's Gun Parts- Irving Texas
404 Not Found – Jack First Inc.
Gun Parts & Firearm Accessories | Numrich Gun Parts
SARCO, Inc. - The Largest Gun Shop in Easton
http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/
http://www.westerngunparts.com/
http://www.gun-parts.com/index.html/
http://www.oldwestgunsmith.com/gunparts/swhome.htm
http://www.wisnersinc.com/
http://vintagegungrips.net/index.html
http://www.amherst-depot.com/gunparts.htm - WWII U.S. weapons
http://www.usarmory.com/catalogs.asp - M1, M14 & Garand
http://www.parts4guns.comhttp://www.partsandmore.com - U.S. Military
http://gungaragegunparts.com - All type of parts (my first choice for hard to find parts)
http://www.robertrtg.com

kscharlie · #11 01-17-2019, 10:22 PM

Is your revolver missing the entire rear sight assembly or is it just missing the sight blade? Post up a picture of the top of your frame, like the attached picture. This is the top view of my 1938 .22 Outdoorsman, and is what yours should look like.

series guy · #12 01-23-2019, 09:05 PM

I have this one if it will help you.

rct269 · #13 01-23-2019, 09:10 PM

A sight assembly that will fit (or can be made to fit) your revolver was made from 1899 to 1942. THE sight assembly that was made FOR your revolver was made from 1932 to 1942. Looking at these numbers and applying a little imagination suggests you might want to be looking for A sight that will fit your gun---and hope for the best.

I, on the other hand, would already have my attorneys hot after your auction house-------------and I'd be looking for another gun----one with all its pieces in place----that being the path of least resistance.

Ralph Tremaine

Hondo44 · #14 01-23-2019, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by series guy

I have this one if it will help you.

That's one scarce factory modified type 1 pre war, pre 1932 sight with the added elevation lock screw in the back.

globalkooler · #15 01-23-2019, 09:38 PM

Hi Ralph, I bought it via the Pima AZ County Sheriff auction so probably won't try and sue them. Bill

larryofcc · #16 01-23-2019, 09:46 PM

Aren't those serial numbered to the gun? Big Larry

rct269 · #17 01-23-2019, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by globalkooler

Hi Ralph, I bought it via the Pima AZ County Sheriff auction so probably won't try and sue them. Bill

Okay----why not----were no representations made?

RT

rct269 · #18 01-23-2019, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by larryofcc

Aren't those serial numbered to the gun? Big Larry

Yes.

RT

series guy · #19 01-24-2019, 12:30 AM

The first sight I posted has no numbers on it. I also have this sight numbered 150580.

Jebus35745 · #20 01-24-2019, 09:17 AM

I stumbled on a 2nd model .22 sight body in the white. Just needs the blade and screw which is the same as the new sights I would assume. Not sure if it would help. Larry

glowe · #21 01-24-2019, 10:14 AM

I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but a sight assembly from a 38 M&P Target revolver of the same era (serial number range) matches what is on a K22. Sometimes when searching for K22 parts, you could pass over a different caliber part which is the same as what you are looking for.

Hondo44 · #22 01-24-2019, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jebus35745

I stumbled on a 2nd model .22 sight body in the white. Just needs the blade and screw which is the same as the new sights I would assume. Not sure if it would help. Larry

If you mean the blade adjustment screw, no they're very different. The new screw is much larger with a detent plunger and spring in the screw cap.

larryofcc · #23 01-24-2019, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rct269

Yes.

RT

Thanks for your reply. Big Larry

wheelgun610 · #24 01-24-2019, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jebus35745

I stumbled on a 2nd model .22 sight body in the white....

Okay, I'm curious. By "in the white", do you mean as in 'never fitted or installed', or has it had the blueing removed. Each of those sights was "match polished" to match the contour of the top of the frame for the gun it was intended to be mounted on. Hence, the S/N on the bottom of the sight tang.

Mark

series guy · #25 01-24-2019, 03:20 PM

Judging by the top of the sight I would think never fitted but as with anything this old you never know the history.

Hondo44 · #26 01-24-2019, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by series guy

Judging by the top of the sight I would think never fitted but as with anything this old you never know the history.

Easy to tell:

If smooth and polished, it's just had the blue worn or polished off.

Since they weren't final polished until after being fitted to a top strap, all of those I've seen still "in-the-white" have machine marks on the surface and the front tip of the leaf is not yet contoured as shown below on a K22/40 Masterpiece sight (or post war .38 Mexican model):

wheelgun610 · #27 01-24-2019, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondo44

....Since they weren't final polished until after being fitted to a top strap, all of those I've seen still "in-the-white" have machine marks on the surface...[/img]

Exactly. And that final polishing is what I consider part of the "fitting" process. To blend the contour of the frame and the sight tang.

Mark

series guy · #28 01-24-2019, 04:28 PM

The first sight that I posted still has the machine marks on the top, no numbers stamped on the bottom, and the front tapered edge is perfectly square so my guess is that it's never been fitted.

Jebus35745 · #29 01-25-2019, 09:21 AM

Wheelgun, looks like Hondo’s 22/40 sight. By in the white I meant unblued. Now I see machine marks on the top. Took a couple pics, Larry

RKmesa · #30 01-25-2019, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by series guy

I have this one if it will help you.

K-22 Outdoorsman Rear Sight-img_4354-jpg

This sight is an interesting one as it has the second screw to the rear of the sight blade rather than in front of the blade. I have seen several of these (and If I recall correctly, they were on K-22 Outdoorsmans), but they are not seen very often. Cool set up.

series guy · #31 01-25-2019, 11:41 AM

Being new and never fitted to a gun you really wonder what the story is on an old piece like this.

wheelgun610 · #32 01-25-2019, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by series guy

Being new and never fitted to a gun you really wonder what the story is on an old piece like this.

I can think of a few possible 'stories'. Might be a left over during a transition period, or could be from the service dept. inventory to be fitted as a replacement, could be a reject for being out of tolerance from one of the machining operations - or... it could've left the factory in someone's pants pocket.

Mark

globalkooler · #33 01-25-2019, 06:28 PM

Ralph: No, they make no representations, it's buyer beware. Bill

Hondo44 · #34 01-25-2019, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RKmesa

This sight is an interesting one as it has the second screw to the rear of the sight blade rather than in front of the blade. I have seen several of these (and If I recall correctly, they were on K-22 Outdoorsmans), but they are not seen very often. Cool set up.

I've seen the rear elevation screw on all frame sizes, including post war Transitional 22/32 I frame Kit Guns. The I frame pre war target sight with the post 1932 improvement of the regular 2 elevation screws like K&N frames has been observed but is extremely rare, and may or may not be factory.

The only 'book' reference I've seen to the elevation lock screw behind the sight blade is in the 3rd ed., Page 159 bottom left hand corner under the 44 HE 2nd Model Variations heading indicating Pre-1931 examples may be found with a Two-screw adjustable rear sight….and some after 1931 may be found with a Third screw at the rear of the sight blade.

I know some are of the opinion that the 3rd rear screw is "not factory". However Roy's comments support the case that it is. One gun he commented on, a post war Transitional I frame Kit gun:

Photo credit: PALADIN85020

One could make the case that this rear sight screw is factory but only as a "rework" factory method on guns the owners complained about not holding elevation sight adjustments.

This could be one of those things we may never know for sure.

RKmesa · #35 01-25-2019, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondo44

I've seen the rear elevation screw on all frame sizes, including post war Transitional 22/32 I frame Kit Guns. The I frame pre war target sight with the post 1932 improvement of the regular 2 elevation screws like K&N frames has been observed but is extremely rare, and may or may not be factory.

The only 'book' reference I've seen to the elevation lock screw behind the sight blade is in the 3rd ed., Page 159 bottom left hand corner under the 44 HE 2nd Model Variations heading indicating Pre-1931 examples may be found with a Two-screw adjustable rear sight….and some after 1931 may be found with a Third screw at the rear of the sight blade.

I know some are of the opinion that the 3rd rear screw is "not factory". However Roy's comments support the case that it is. One gun he commented on, a post war Transitional I frame Kit gun:

Photo credit: PALADIN85020

One could make the case that this rear sight screw is factory but only as a "rework" factory method on guns the owners complained about not holding elevation sight adjustments.

This could be one of those things we may never know for sure.

Now, I remember that thread we had on the screw behind the blade and Roy's quote. Thank you for refreshing my memory.

glowe · #36 01-29-2019, 05:46 PM

Do you mean https://www.aubruin.com/photos/AA%20...t/IMG_1774.JPG . I am thinking you need the 2 screw sight? The sight actually has 3 screws, but learned that one does not count the anchor screw in front.

globalkooler - where did your post go? BTW, the link above was apparently to the OPs gun.

Oldcarjunkie · #37 02-06-2019, 09:29 PM

Well this will sound crazy but today i bought a K22 with a missing rear sight myself, its not in too bad of shape otherwise, a little wear and needs a good cleaning. I am in the market for a rear sight . My serial is 637XXX so according to what i read in the blue book it seems its a early 1st model outdooorsman. Here is a few pics of it.

globalkooler · #38 02-24-2019, 07:24 PM

Here is a photo of K-22 missing the entire rear sight. Center to Center on the holes is 1.740", width of slot is 0.243
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DWalt · #39 02-24-2019, 08:38 PM

I think (but am not at all sure) that it may be possible to machine the topstrap to accommodate a new-style adjustable rear sight. Problems involved include finding someone capable of doing the job correctly, the installation a different height front sight, and the likely considerable expense involved. From bitter experience I like to know what I am buying before paying for it.

Hondo44 · #40 02-25-2019, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcarjunkie

Well this will sound crazy but today i bought a K22 with a missing rear sight myself, its not in too bad of shape otherwise, a little wear and needs a good cleaning. I am in the market for a rear sight . My serial is 637XXX so according to what i read in the blue book it seems its a early 1st model outdooorsman. Here is a few pics of it.

Your lucky to have the front sight leaf. Since those are individually fitted and polished to the top strap, you'd never find one that would fit your gun w/o refitting, polishing and rebluing both it and the gun.

What you need to do is find the back part of a pre war sight, maybe broken in a different spot, and have it Mig welded to your leaf.

globalkooler · #41 04-06-2021, 02:17 PM

I have been so busy with my firearms sales business that I haven't been looking. I'm back on the hunt for a complete rear sight for my K22 Outdoorsman SR 656xxx from 1936/37.