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This is so good I saved it on my computer
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Good gravy, that's an amazing post. Many thanks for taking the time to research, assemble, and share. What a great forum!
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Very informative and very well done. Also, great photographs!
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Thanks much for the effort to put this info together in such a clear and organized fashion. I really appreciate it.

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Thanks for your great job. all of us really appreciate it. Now, I being old, and a computer illiterate dummy, have to find a way to store it on my computer.
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Finish question. If doing an overall touch-up and spot refinish on some mid seventies football targets would one use TruOil or a poly? And if a poly, satin or gloss?

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I added a few more photos as well as updated a few sections with more refined dates/information. I will continue to revise this going forward with better photos of nicer stocks as I acquire them.
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Thanks so much for this information. So, if I have a 1950 44 Special SN 146xxx Target model, could it have been shipped with Magnas? Thanks!

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Thanks so much for this information. So, if I have a 1950 44 Special SN 146xxx Target model, could it have been shipped with Magnas? Thanks!

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My Mod 1950 .45 Target letters as having been shipped with Magnas in 1954. So, I'd think so.
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I have a second model hand ejector .455 in need of stocks. Is it an "N Frame" and will N Frame stocks fit if I acquire a pair?
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My goal... Sandersons, Ropers, Farrants, Hurst, etc. But that is another can of worms!
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Fantastic Thread and A Great Wealth of Information. Thank you! I too have saved a copy.
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Hoosier45,

Thank you for your outstanding treatise on stocks/grips. As reflected above by so many members, it truly is an excellent piece of documentation on a very convoluted subject matter.

As I carefully read thru your post, with appreciation and agreement of the great detail, two items came to mind that might be considered for addressing of even more minutia:

First is an area of such obscurity, examples are unrecognized and/or almost nonexistent; the changes of medallions in 1929:

• 2/11/1929 - Gold plate over brass recessed medallions ordered reinstated in wood stocks but with ‘convex’ stock circles;
3/18/29 changed to flush mounted, flat gold plated;
April 1929 finally changed to flush mounted, flat chrome plated over brass thru WW II.

Tuskoid Magnas did not make an appearance until well after the very short window of gold med usage. Most I've seen, and that's just a few, had .500" flat silvers but they do seem to exist with flat gold: Smith & Wesson Tuskoid / Tuscoid Grips


Second, Combat's post #23 referenced the earliest rendition of "Coke Bottle" stocks.

One of the rarest of factory target stocks, which are the early 1950's special-order-only Smooth non-relieved target stocks, the first known as "coke bottles" documented in the SCSW by Jim King II, shown on Pg. 38 and specifically described on Pg. 39 in the 4th Ed. They exhibit longer wood behind the trigger guard, obvious flare at the butt, as well as a pronounced palm swell much more suggestive of coke bottles than later checkered cokes with football relief. These two examples appear to be of Birdseye Maple:


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The grips that came on a Brazilian 1917/37 I own are the later 1917 style. When held at the right angle in the right lighting situation I can see very small initials R.A. stamped on the bottom of the right grip?
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Steve,

By "later 1917 style" grips, I presume you mean checkered with flat, flush chrome plated medallions which is correct.

R.A. stamping could be anything including initials, but for sure not a factory mark.
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No, See illustration this thread?
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Oh you mean the smooth concave top grips.
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No, the later style. Like the ones just below the concaved model.
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Great thread! Thanks everyone for all the hard work. Answered my stocks question of earlier today.
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Fantastic thread!
Thank you, Hoosier45 and everyone who has contributed to this repository.
This is most helpful as I begin my next quest for the correct stocks for my newly-purchased .44HE-2nd Model (shipped March, 1927).
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Great thread and amazing OP. It shed some light on these non-relieved diamond walnut targets with black washers which I sold to a forum member some time ago. I honestly forget where I got them, but it strikes me they were mis-matched to a later N-frame I purchased at a gun show.

According to this thread, they were probably shipped around the middle 1950s.

It's interesting that the finish on these appears to be the untreated wood with just an oil-rubbed surface.

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Just found this forum and have spent a good bit of time reviewing it…GREAT info and obviously a lot of time taken to compile it.

I think my situation is probably a little unique. I have a 9+ Mod 27 (no dash), S/N S199105, 4 screw revolver (~1959 it appears) with what looks to be Magnas w/o the diamond (68-71 per the above) although they look like they could be the original grips - underside of grips were whistle clean with no marks or fingerprints visible.

The grips have no serial markings on the exterior at all, but have a handwritten “N” on the inside left grip and what appears to be “434” stamped on the inside of the right grip.

I figure the best course of action is to get a letter from S&W and see how it was originally shipped and then restore it to that configuration (unless someone has some great insight which could help). I’ve seen that recommended in several threads but have yet to run across the current name or the exact address to send the request to. Can someone help me out?

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Hi, thank you for the great reference. I acquired a set of what appear to be 52-58 Target grips. How do you determine if they're correct for N or K/L frames. Regards, TL
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Best is to look at the size of the "ledge" at the top of the stocks in front and back of the top round. K frame stocks have a small ledge, while N frame stocks are over twice as large. Best I can measure is that the N frame ledge is .16", while the K frame ledge is .06".

I found a picture I had taken of both K and N walnut service stocks for comparison below.

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Best is to look at the size of the "ledge" at the top of the stocks in front and back of the top round. K frame stocks have a small ledge, while N frame stocks are over twice as large. Best I can measure is that the N frame ledge is .16", while the K frame ledge is .06".
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An easy reference for me is that if both "ledges" look to be the same length, it's a "K" frame...If one is noticeably larger, it's an "N" frame......Ben
My ignorance doesn't allow me to understand your description, please illustrate? I usually just try on different frames.
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Try this....Look on the backsides of the grips at the metal round plates. K frames have about a 1/8 inch wood shoulder on ea side of the rear medallion... The N frame grips have about a 1/4 inch of wood on ea side or the rear metal
plate/medallion reinforcement plate..
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a quick question
it is stated the early diamond magna stocks had a high sharp shoulder on top, and later ones had a more rounded shoulder
approximately when did this change occur ?
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Sharp shoulder magnas stopped showing up on new guns shipped in the very early 1950s; depending how long the guns sat in the vault before selling. I don’t know if the change order date is known, but it would be awhile after that until inventory was exhausted.
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Here's a pair of round combats with a slightly different profile:



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