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Old 03-25-2018, 07:23 AM
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I have a blue S&W commercial 1917. It is in pristine, immaculate condition and has thick Jay Scott stag design grips on it. The grips are plastic, but they are also polished wood around the sides of the plastic and have a metal insert in them too that goes up into the round portion of the grip frame. It also has an Ace wide trigger shoe on the trigger. It also has a checkered backstrap. Not a speck of rust, no wear to bluing, barrel rifling and cylinder bores perfect. There is also no "flash cut" on the underside of the topstrap just behind the forcing cone/breach of the barrel. Gun is in remarkable condition. I don't think it was fired much.

To try and find out when it was made, I put its 6 digit serial number in this link: U.S. Military Dates of Manufacture

It came up saying...."The number entered is outside the range stored in our database (high)". At the firing line forum they have a sticky thread soley dedicated to S&W serial number searches, where folks who have books on this help others find out when their S&W's were made. I asked about my commercial model there and someone said it was made somewhere between 1929 and 1938. They said something about not being able to give the exact year sometimes because of the way the S&W production lots were done or something. I don't know.

Is there any way I can find out exactly what year my 1917 commercial model was made?

I'd also VERY MUCH like to know what its value is. Anyone know?

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Old 03-25-2018, 07:28 AM
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A few more attached pics of my commercial S&W 1917.
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I don't know what the current market is. Commercial models are fairly rare and highly sought after. One such as yours would be worth something, but it would be worth more in all original condtion. The front sight has been modified so that will knock the price down a little. The back of the grip frame has been cross hatched. This affects collector value as well. Also, sometimes a trigger shoe scratches up the trigger, that would hurt too. My best guess (take with a large grain of salt) would be somewhere in the $1,000 to $2,000 range.

The only way to know for sure when it left the factory is to get a factory letter. Clicking the link below will take you to a page of all sorts of information. The second link on that page is for a factory letter.
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Sorry I had to modify this post so much. I should have looked at the pictures more closely to start with.
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From the photos, this one appears to have the flat top frame of a later (1930s) .45. However, the serial number range and what appears to be a refinished sideplate suggest this was a 1937 Brazilian contract gun. A letter of authenticity would tell for sure, but I hope I am wrong .

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My commercial model does not say anything on the barrel, on the frame screw side. Not sure if yours saying, Smith & Wesson means anything, or puts it in a year range.
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Interesting. My 1917 commercial came to me wearing exactly the same grips. Mine has a serial number is 193100, less than 500 lower than yours. Mine has none of the other modifications that are on yours. For an idea of value it wass listed on this forum starting at $795, Seller kept dropping price and I took it at $600 shipped. I think that quite a few of the people here are a bit jaded as far as price goes and that I got a very good deal.



Roy Jinks said this one was listed on a page of guns that went to Brazil in August of 1938, BUT, this particular one was left open on the books???

Wonder if yours has a similar story.

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That's a very attractive revolver.

As far as date, the most accurate method would be to request a Smith & Wesson letter of authenticity.

I agree with Jack Flash and murphydog. The front sight and backstrap of the grip frame have been altered. I also agree with murphydog that it looks refinished. The alterations and refinish will negatively affect the value despite the overall nice appearance.

As far as value I would opine the upper end ($2000) of the estimate from Jack Flash is overly optimistic and the lower end ($1000) is closer to what someone might pay for it?
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From the photos, this one appears to have the flat top frame of a later (1930s) .45. However, the serial number range and what appears to be a refinished sideplate suggest this was a 1937 Brazilian contract gun. A letter of authenticity would tell for sure, but I hope I am wrong .

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This is the best answer. Get a letter to know where and when it was shipped.

It has been modified and refinished; so, I would call it a shooter grade gun if it is in good mechanical condition with a good bore. It has little added collector value because it is just a shooter.

In my area good shooter grade 1917 go in the $600-800 price range. Rough 1917 are more like $500. I don't see much value adder for a Commercial 1917 unless it is 70 or 80% plus condition and this gun in not in that kind of condition.
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I heard on another thread here, where if I remember correctly, that someone said that some of these commercial models came from the factory with checkered back straps. Is that correct?
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Mushroom ejector knob would date it in 1920s I believe. Does it have patent dates on hammer and trigger? That is another way to date it. Begun in 1926 and ended in WWIi. Also single or double milling cut under barrel .1927 was when production order was entered to change to single milling and change from mushroom knob. These are only estimates but can give an idea whether 1920s or 1930s.
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The potential scratching of a trigger by the trigger shoe, although an issue to a collector, is minor. The very high risk of it catching on a holster or other item and resulting in an AD is much more serious. There were some very strong cautions on this issue in the LE and shooting magazines of the mid-late 1970s, and I recommend removing it with all the alacrity of which you are capable, and disposing of it whatever means you choose.
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..... The very high risk of it catching on a holster or other item and resulting in an AD is much more serious. There were some very strong cautions on this issue in the LE and shooting magazines of the mid-late 1970s, and I recommend removing it with all the alacrity of which you are capable, and disposing of it whatever means you choose.
Let’s not get carried away. The AD issue with trigger shoes pretty much exclusively applied to carrying guns in duty holsters and rapid drawing and holstering in typical LE stress scenarios.

I don’t believe the OP is getting ready to carry this revolver in a fanny pack or a tactical holster for SWAT duty. The only reasons he should remove the trigger shoe are that it’s not original and it’s ugly

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My Commercial 1917 with SN 1818xx shipped to the Denver PD in July 1932. It has the bright blue finish and round top silver medallion grips that should be on the OP's gun. The OP's gun has the small trademark stamp which, IIRC, was changed over to a large stamp on the sideplate in 1936. S&W did not do this for the Brazilian guns since Brazil wanted their crest on the sideplate. What I don't know is if S&W did do it for the commercial guns. The ejector rod knob never changed for the pre-war guns.

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And a flat top frame without the Made in USA stamp.
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My commercial 1917. Refinished when I bought it at local auction for a very low price (lucked into it). Fine shooter / excellent mechanically. Ser 1845XX. Never lettered but due to unique gold medallion flush grips estimate made 1929.

Made in USA on right frame, Small SW logo on left. Mushroom extrator knob,Patent information stamped on trigger and hammer. Double milled flat underneath barrel.

Not for sale but if so would not take less than $800 plus. (Most collector books say a refinish takes 1/2 off the value of a non-refinished one)
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I posted my commercial 1917 for sale in the BST forum here, at what I think it's worth. Because it's so nice I never shoot it. And I have other lesser condition 1917's that I shoot. Tired of being a museum curator, maintainer, storer. So I'm selling off guns I don't shoot that just sit in my safe doing me no good and not using them nor having fun with them because they are too nice to shoot. Sure it's a collectible and will be worth more as more time goes by, but I'm almost 65 now, I don't have a lot of time left to wait for time to go by. Using the funds to buy another motorcycle that I can use and have fun with. Got myself a 2014 Indian Chieftain with fairing and hard bags, stereo, blue tooth, etc, (full dress) now, but also want to get a Honda Rune 6 cyl. (I've been a rider since 1972). So selling off all of my substantial gun collection that I don't shoot. Made myself a resolution, if I don't shoot it, I sell it and instead get something I can have fun with right NOW. Came to the conclusion that guns I don't shoot just sitting in the safe isn't really fun for me. Always been a shooter and gun collector. Now it's time to cash out what I don't actually shoot and just keep what I DO shoot. I still have three other 1917's that I DO shoot, so I won't miss this one that I never shoot and rarely see in its pistol case in the safe. Understand guys? Time for a change for me.

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I have to agree with some of the others, definitely has been refinished and modified which values it less than an all original gun.
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I think with those mods, $1000 is high, I think it will fetch 6-8 bills.
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I think with those mods, $1000 is high, I think it will fetch 6-8 bills.
Six to eight bills, (more like 8), will get you a S&W "classics", a modern and not really authentic rendition version of an original 1917, but just resembles it, and that has an ugly key hole lock by the cylinder release. Which would you rather have? That, or my original, antique, excellent condition, commercial one? That's the deciding factor. This isn't a "classics" nor a military beater shooter and I'm not going to sell it for the price of a "classics" or a military beater shooter. Heck, a beater will cost you 6 bills. Just look at what some of the run of the mill, gouged and worn grips, loss of finish, dinged up, military 1917's sell for on Gunbroker. If my commercial doesn't sell for what I think it's worth, I'll just keep it. Often times people put a high value on what THEY own, but nit pick and denigrate the value of what other's own. As always, I appreciate other's opinions and advice,....when it is logical.

I am fully cognizant that the front sight on my commercial was likely angle cut and ribbed on top after it left the factory. It was obviously professionally done too. I am also aware that the back strap was checkered. I have read threads here where people said that back strap checkering could have possibly come from the factory that way. I do not know if what they said in those threads regarding the 1917's back strap checkering being factory in some cases, is true or not. I don't know if the back strap checkering on mine is factory, or aftermarket and I really don't care. But again, it was professionally done and looks very appealing. Even if BOTH of those things were not done at the factory, and even if my commercial had at one time in the past, (before I got it), been refinished, it is STILL an excellent condition and excellent finish, commercial 1917 that looks like a brand new gun and a heck of a lot better than a "classics".

In my opinion, I do not believe the excellently done, angled and ribbed front sight and excellently done checkering on the rear back strap, is enough to lower my commercial 1917's value to that of a military beater shooter. No way, no how. It doesn't matter to me how much of an "expert" on S&W's someone may be, they can not convince me that my commercial is at an equal value to a 1917 military beater shooter. Not going to happen, because logic dictates otherwise.

If someone sees the beauty in my commercial 1917, they will appreciate it enough to pay what I think it's genuinely worth. (Or, I simply won't sell it). And ultimately what is something worth? Whatever the market will stand, meaning...what buyer's will pay. S&W doesn't make new commercial 1917's (not authentic ones anyway since the "classics" aren't even authentic in their lockwork & other overall dimensions) with professionally done nicely angled and ribbed front sights and checkered back straps. Try buying a military beater and having that same professional work done and then see what the cost of that work would be. And even then, you'd still just have a military one, not a commercial one. So how about we stop with the "expert" nit picking opinions and just appreciate it for its beauty and quality and realize that a buyer may do the same. And if they don't? Fine, it will sit in my safe where it's been sitting for years.

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Six to eight bills, (more like 8), will get you a S&W "classics", a modern and not really authentic rendition version of an original 1917, but just resembles it, and that has an ugly key hole lock by the cylinder release. Which would you rather have? That, or my original, antique, excellent condition, commercial one? That's the deciding factor. This isn't a "classics" nor a military beater shooter and I'm not going to sell it for the price of a "classics" or a military beater shooter. Heck, a beater will cost you 6 bills. Just look at what some of the run of the mill, gouged and worn grips, loss of finish, dinged up, military 1917's sell for on Gunbroker. If my commercial doesn't sell for what I think it's worth, I'll just keep it. Often times people put a high value on what THEY own, but nit pick and denigrate the value of what other's own. As always, I appreciate other's opinions and advice,....when it is logical.

I am fully cognizant that the front sight on my commercial was likely angle cut and ribbed on top after it left the factory. It was obviously professionally done too. I am also aware that the back strap was checkered. I have read threads here where people said that back strap checkering could have possibly come from the factory that way. I do not know if what they said in those threads regarding the 1917's back strap checkering being factory in some cases, is true or not. I don't know if the back strap checkering on mine is factory, or aftermarket and I really don't care. But again, it was professionally done and looks very appealing. Even if BOTH of those things were not done at the factory, and even if my commercial had at one time in the past, (before I got it), been refinished, it is STILL an excellent condition and excellent finish, commercial 1917 that looks like a brand new gun and a heck of a lot better than a "classics".

In my opinion, I do not believe the excellently done, angled and ribbed front sight and excellently done checkering on the rear back strap, is enough to lower my commercial 1917's value to that of a military beater shooter. No way, no how. It doesn't matter to me how much of an "expert" on S&W's someone may be, they can not convince me that my commercial is at an equal value to a 1917 military beater shooter. Not going to happen, because logic dictates otherwise.

If someone sees the beauty in my commercial 1917, they will appreciate it enough to pay what I think it's genuinely worth. (Or, I simply won't sell it). And ultimately what is something worth? Whatever the market will stand, meaning...what buyer's will pay. S&W doesn't make new commercial 1917's (not authentic ones anyway since the "classics" aren't even authentic in their lockwork & other overall dimensions) with professionally done nicely angled and ribbed front sights and checkered back straps. Try buying a military beater and having that same professional work done and then see what the cost of that work would be. And even then, you'd still just have a military one, not a commercial one. So how about we stop with the "expert" nit picking opinions and just appreciate it for its beauty and quality and realize that a buyer may do the same. And if they don't? Fine, it will sit in my safe where it's been sitting for years.
Sounds slightly defensive, but, in truth, I agree with you. Hell of a nice gun waiting for slightly more traditional grips. I wouldn't let go of it very easily.

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For information on what these are going for. My above S&W model 1917 commercial model just sold on Sept 5th, on Gunbroker via "buy it now" for $1,300.00
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This is the best answer. Get a letter to know where and when it was shipped.

It has been modified and refinished; so, I would call it a shooter grade gun if it is in good mechanical condition with a good bore. It has little added collector value because it is just a shooter.

In my area good shooter grade 1917 go in the $600-800 price range. Rough 1917 are more like $500. I don't see much value adder for a Commercial 1917 unless it is 70 or 80% plus condition and this gun in not in that kind of condition.
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Bill Bates and beagleye, see my previous post in this thread for the $1,300.00 it just sold for.

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Jesus. I wonder what the B.A.C of the buyer was! Gunbroker and booze can be a dangerous conversation!





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The potential scratching of a trigger by the trigger shoe, although an issue to a collector, is minor. The very high risk of it catching on a holster or other item and resulting in an AD is much more serious. There were some very strong cautions on this issue in the LE and shooting magazines of the mid-late 1970s, and I recommend removing it with all the alacrity of which you are capable, and disposing of it whatever means you choose.
I MUST AGREE WITH Doug M. REMOVE THAT TRIGGER SHOE AT ONCE---BEFORE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE GETS INJURED ! ! !

DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANY MINOR SCRATCHES ON THE TRIGGER. THAT CAN BE TOUCHED UP. THE CONSENSUS OF OPINION APPEARS TO BE THAT THIS REVOLVER HAS LITTLE COLLECTOR VALUE, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED AND REFINISHED---THEREBY REDUCING IT TO A "SHOOTER".....

WELL I WOULD VENTURE THAT THERE ARE MORE SHOOTERS THAN COLLECTORS IN OUR HOBBY. IN 60 YEARS OF INVOLVEMENT IN THE HOBBY, I HAVE ACCUMULATED A MODEST "COLLECTION" OF WEAPONS, WHICH HAVE ALL BEEN PURCHASED TO SHOOT ! ! ! NONE OF THEM ARE SAFE QUEENS.....

IN FACT I DON'T PURCHASE USED GUNS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN SHOT. I MUCH PREFER GUNS THAT HAVE HAD MODERATE USE, AND HAVE BEEN WELL CARED FOR. THESE ARE THE TYPE OF GUNS I OWN, WHETHER I PURCHASED THEM NEW OR USED....

THAT BEING SAID, YOUR INTERESTING REVOLVER APPEALS TO ME. I WOULD ENJOY TAKING IT OUT ON THE LINE, IN FRONT OF THE HI-CAP NINES, AND TUPPERWARE CROWD, AND SHOOTING THE SNOT OUT OF IT. I LOVE TO OVERHEAR THEIR REMARKS, AFTER THEY ROLL IN THEIR TARGETS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE HIT WITH AN OPEN CHOKE SHOT GUN BLAST, AND I ROLL IN A TARGET WITH ONE RAGGED HOLE, OBLITERATING THE BLACK. I WOULD THINK THAT YOUR REVOLVER---WHICH APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN SET UP FOR TARGET SHOOTING---WOULD BE CAPABLE OF THAT LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE.......

AS FAR AS DETERMINING WHAT THIS REVOLVER IS WORTH, THE FIRST THING I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST IS THAT YOU OBTAIN A HISTORICAL LETTER. THAT WAY YOU WILL KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT THIS GUN IS, AND HOW IT LEFT THE FACTORY. SINCE THERE WAS ANOTHER SPECIMEN REFERENCED IN A POST ABOVE, THAT WAS WEARING STOCKS EXACTLY LIKE YOURS, THAT MAY BE HOW YOUR GUN WAS ACTUALLY SHIPPED.....

BEYOND THAT, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE "EXPERTS" OR FORUM PUNDITS SAY THAT THIS GUN IS WORTH. THE TRUE VALUE OF ANY GOOD, OFFERED FOR SALE IN A FREE MARKET PLACE, IS DETERMINED BY WHAT THE HIGHEST BIDDER IS WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. THAT'S IT---END OF STORY ! ! ! THIS IS BASIC ECONOMICS-101....

THIS MEANS THAT THE TRUE VALUE OF THIS GUN WILL BE DETERMINED BY WHAT IT WILL FETCH ON AN AUCTION SITE, SUCH AS GUNBROKER.....
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For information on what these are going for. My above S&W model 1917 commercial model just sold on Sept 5th, on Gunbroker via "buy it now" for $1,300.00
How nice for you, that you found someone who took your inaccurate description at face value. From your ad:

It is in pristine, immaculate condition....
Gun is in remarkable condition for its age.

These are words that do not belong when describing a refinished gun - a word that you did not use in your ad. A refinished gun has 0% original finish. It is not pristine (which means unchanged from its original state) or immaculate, and its condition is not remarkable. With the rounded edge of the sideplate and the cylinder turning plum, it is a less than impressive refinish.

I noticed that there were no takers on your WTS ad on this forum for that gun, originally posted back in March. Probably because most of the people here know what's what and could see the gun for what it actually is, not for what you imagine it to be. It is certainly no collector piece.

Still, you got someone to pay double what its value as an indifferently refinished shooter is. Congratulations.
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Let’s not just post a pic of that great sale, let’s put a link for future reference!

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/781842989
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How nice for you, that you found someone who took your inaccurate description at face value. From your ad:

It is in pristine, immaculate condition....
Gun is in remarkable condition for its age.

These are words that do not belong when describing a refinished gun - a word that you did not use in your ad. A refinished gun has 0% original finish. It is not pristine (which means unchanged from its original state) or immaculate, and its condition is not remarkable. With the rounded edge of the sideplate and the cylinder turning plum, it is a less than impressive refinish.

I noticed that there were no takers on your WTS ad on this forum for that gun, originally posted back in March. Probably because most of the people here know what's what and could see the gun for what it actually is, not for what you imagine it to be. It is certainly no collector piece.

Still, you got someone to pay double what its value as an indifferently refinished shooter is. Congratulations.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---IT MATTERS LITTLE WHAT YOU, OR ANY OTHER "EXPERT" THINKS THAT THIS GUN IS WORTH......

I MUST REITERATE MY LESSON FROM BASIC COLLEGE ECONOMICS-101. IN A FREE MARKETPLACE, LIKE AN AUCTION, THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE FORCES OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND---THE WORTH OR VALUE OF ANY ITEM IS EXACTLY WHAT THE HIGHEST BIDDER WAS WILLING TO PAY TO OWN IT---END OF STORY ! ! !

THE PRINCIPLE OF CAVEAT EMPTOR GOVERNS ALL SALES. IN LATIN IT MEANS "LET THE BUYER BEWARE", IN PRACTICE IT MEANS THAT THE BUYER IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THOROUGHLY CHECKING THE QUALITY AND SUITABILITY OF A PRODUCT BEFORE IT IS PURCHASED.

THE ADAGE OF, "BUY THE GUN, NOT THE STORY" ALSO COMES INTO PLAY HERE......

I DID NOT READ HIS AD, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE BUYER REACHED THE CONCLUSION THAT HE WANTED THE GUN. THE PRICE THAT HE PAID DETERMINED THE VALUE OF THIS GUN.....

THE GUN WAS UNSUITABLE FOR YOUR PURPOSE AS A COLLECTOR. YOU WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUY IT, FOR WHATEVER YOU WERE WILLING TO BID---SO YOUR OPINION IS IRRELEVANT AS TO ITS VALUE........
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I MUST REITERATE MY LESSON FROM BASIC COLLEGE ECONOMICS-101. IN A FREE MARKETPLACE, LIKE AN AUCTION, THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE FORCES OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND---THE WORTH OR VALUE OF ANY ITEM IS EXACTLY WHAT THE HIGHEST BIDDER WAS WILLING TO PAY TO OWN IT---END OF STORY ! ! !

Not exactly.
It means at one moment in time, one buyer thought it was worth what he paid. We have no clue if he has any knowledge of what he was buying.

One unique sale does not set the market.

The seller ran the same gun in August with no takers.
Show me several refinished and altered 1917s knowingly purchased for about the same price, and we can assume that is fair market value.


If I represent a gold plated chain as being real 24k gold and someone pays me $1196.91 per oz (current spot) for it, does it mean that fake necklaces have a WORTH OR VALUE equal to the spot price of gold?








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SINCE THERE WAS ANOTHER SPECIMEN REFERENCED IN A POST ABOVE, THAT WAS WEARING STOCKS EXACTLY LIKE YOURS, THAT MAY BE HOW YOUR GUN WAS ACTUALLY SHIPPED.....
Again, not exactly. I don't think Jay Scott grips were around in the 30s.
Two revolvers wearing the same aftermarket grips hardly means they shipped that way.
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YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT HAND EJECTOR---ON THIS PARTICULAR DAY, THIS PARTICULAR GUN WAS WORTH WHAT THE HIGHEST BIDDER PAID FOR IT.....

THIS ECONOMIC RULE ASSIGNS NO VALUE TO ANY OTHER GUN, ON ANY OTHER DAY---IT DOES NOT "SET THE MARKET"......

ON ANY OTHER DAY, A DIFFERENT GUN, WILL BE WORTH WHATEVER THE HIGHEST BIDDER IS WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT PARTICULAR GUN......

THE VALUE OF THE 2ND GUN IS NOT DETERMINED BY WHAT THE 1ST BUYER PAID FOR HIS. THE 2 AUCTIONS ARE INDEPENDENT OF ONE ANOTHER......

THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE ABOUT THE GOLD CHAIN JUST ILLUSTRATES THE PRINCIPLE OF CAVEAT EMPTOR, AND IS NOT A DETERMINANT OF THE VALUE OF FAKE GOLD CHAINS.....
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This kind of stuff happens on internet sales sites fairly often...BUYER BEWARE!!!

What gripes me is the seller came back to this forum to BRAG about screwing someone.
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This kind of stuff happens on internet sales sites fairly often...BUYER BEWARE!!!

What gripes me is the seller came back to this forum to BRAG about screwing someone.
I HEAR YOU, S&WI.....

I FINALLY DID READ THE DESCRIPTION OF THE GUN, ON THE AUCTION SITE......

HE DID STATE THE GUN WAS "COLLECTIBLE", AND DID NOT MENTION THAT IT HAD BEEN REFINISHED. IMHO--THAT IS NOT AN HONEST DESCRIPTION OF THIS REVOLVER.....
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