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Question on 1905 4th change
This gun is for sale locally. I don't know a lot about the pre-war guns. It is a 1905 4th change with 2 " barrel, square butt with ramp front sight. The grips are not original. Are the 2" barrels hard to find? None have sold on GB in last 30 days. It appears to be in very good condition and owner says it cycles fine. I have not personally seen it yet.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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If it has a ramp front sight, it is likely to NOT be original. It is likely to have had its barrel replaced or shortened. It is most probably one of the WW2 British guns and probably converted from .38 S&w to .38 Special, which is not a good thing. You need to see it in person or see really good photos before making any commitment.
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Thank you so much!
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This gun is for sale locally. I don't know a lot about the pre-war guns. It is a 1905 4th change with 2 " barrel, square butt with ramp front sight. The grips are not original. Are the 2" barrels hard to find? None have sold on GB in last 30 days. It appears to be in very good condition and owner says it cycles fine. I have not personally seen it yet.
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I'm curious how the seller has identified it. Since you haven't seen it yet, anything is possible. A ramped front sight pretty much excludes a genuine pre-war example.
It could be a perfectly good later 2" Model 10.
It could indeed also be a converted BSR, although those rarely are in "very good condition". First thing, look for the front underbarrel lug; if it's not there, RUN!
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Get the serial number from the butt. That will tell you a lot. Make sure any letter (eg., V, S, C) gets included.
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here is a picture of it, 1st 3 of serial is 783
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here is a picture of it, 1st 3 of serial is 783
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It is a chopped British Service Revolver. The barrel was clipped from 5" back to about 2" (removing the front locking lug) and a new sight was attached.
Personally, I wouldn't buy this at any price, but $250 would be the absolute top market price.
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Thank you so much! I certainly appreciate all the assistance everyone has offered.
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...missing front locking lug is definitely the clue...
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With the triangular front sight and the type of replacement grips, which is the style (actually likely the make) used by British converters like Cogswell & Harrison, this is likely a conversion done in Britain and may even have been proofed for .38 Spl. This would explain the good condition. Better quality than US conversions done after re-import, but still no reason to buy it
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This is one to stay clear of unless you are looking for a low priced utility gun. It presently has no collector value and likely never will.
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Thanks again guys!
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