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I just won this in an online auction. All numbers ,including the stocks, match (#85700). It is a candidate for a letter as the original owner personalized it as shown in the pic of the stock panel. I can't quite get the name though. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Goldfield Nevada was a boom town when....you guessed it..... gold was struck there circa 1902. I'm guessing this one was carried by a miner or maybe a lawman. Its population peaked at 30,000 until a fire destroyed the town. Currently, there are about 200 residents.

Virgil Earp was the city marshal for about 6 months in 1905 until he caught pneumonia and died there. Wyatt lived there also.

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Geo A Nash
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Did you notice the Esmeralda Hotel in the picture?
After all, Goldfield is the County Seat.

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I just won this in an online auction. All numbers ,including the stocks, match (#85700). It is a candidate for a letter as the original owner personalized it as shown in the pic of the stock panel. I can't quite get the name though. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Goldfield Nevada was a boom town when....you guessed it..... gold was struck there circa 1902. I'm guessing this one was carried by a miner or maybe a lawman. Its population peaked at 30,000 until a fire destroyed the town. Currently, there are about 200 residents.

Virgil Earp was the city marshal for about 6 months in 1905 until he caught pneumonia and died there. Wyatt lived there also.

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That gun most likely dates to around Oct 1906.
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First name could be Geoff.
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Geo, short for Geoff or George.
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Did you contact the town Historical Society to see if the Nash name comes up in their records?
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Don't think it's "Nash." Note how the N in "Nev" is made. It's different than what appears to be the first letter of the last name. I did a run on the 1910 census and there are no Geoff's.
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I think the first letter of his last name may be a "T"

Awesome find.
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Goldfield is a neat place to visit as is the abandoned gold mining town of Bodie in CA

I think the first name is Geo for George.
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Very nice revolver and a neat story. I was looking at the name and wonder if it’s a last name no first, just a one word last name. I was thinking maybe German or Dutch. I could be totally wrong but a possibility to research. If you go there a trip to the local cemetery could shed some light on the subject. Stones headstones last better than paper records especially in a town that burned down.
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I list 8573x as shipping in 1/06. Anyway, it seems fairly certain 85700 shipped sometime in 1906, likely earlier 1906 if it made to Goldfield in time for the original owner to write the 1906 date. My guess on the name would be no better than anyone else's. I played around with various contrast and curve adjustments using Photoshop and still couldn't make out the last name clearly enough to be sure.

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Did you contact the town Historical Society to see if the Nash name comes up in their records?
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Good luck and if you find anything out please share!

I negatived it out and still cant make it out

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Maybe "Tath" ?
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Is it possible that the first letter after the Geo is a middle initial or first letter of the last name? Looks like it could be an H to me.
*edit Duh. I see where someone else already mentioned the H.

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^^^ What I was thinking as well. The part folks think is "ff" might be a middle initial as it does not sit inline with the first 3 letters
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Maybe the first letter of the last name is an F? George H. Frick?
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.... I did a run on the 1910 census and there are no Geoff's.
The problem with these mining camps for an issue like this was the highly transient nature of the population. Unless this gun just happened to be owned by one of the ďpillars of the townĒ, like a merchant or owner of a larger mining company, many who were residing in Goldfield in 1906 were no longer there by 1910.

Goldfield follows the pattern. It reached the peak of its boom and its peak population of over 20,000 in just the year weíre interested in, 1906, and was back down below 5000 by 1910.

So if we want to catch this guy (I canít do any better than folks here have already done on the name), documents like maybe old newspapers from 1906/07 would likely be the best bet.
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My first guess at the surname was "Ward", but the more I look at it the less I think so.

Then again, this picture was taken by C.A. Rinker in Goldfield some time between 1900 and 1920.

http://d.library.unlv.edu/digital/ap...r%20Collection

As was this one (Barrel is too long)

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This is a very interesting post. I've looked at signature until my eyes are crossed trying to come up with a name. Anyone that has ever tried to write on wood knows how the grain can redirect your pencil. I can see every name that has been thrown out for consideration so far and could agree. Decided to go another route and research most common male names during early 1900's. George is 4th most common first name and Smith is number one last name. Surely not...but that last name just may be Smith.
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Maybe Vigil had it reblued to remove the blood marks after he took if off of Geo's dead body laying on Main St. after the shoot-out? Ya think?
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Looks to me like "Geo H. Dra...." or maybe "maybe Geo H. Da...."

Geo H. Drain possibly
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If the OP could post more photos of the stock panel with the writing, at different angles and lighting, we may be able to see it better?
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This is a very interesting post. I've looked at signature until my eyes are crossed trying to come up with a name. Anyone that has ever tried to write on wood knows how the grain can redirect your pencil. I can see every name that has been thrown out for consideration so far and could agree. Decided to go another route and research most common male names during early 1900's. George is 4th most common first name and Smith is number one last name. Surely not...but that last name just may be Smith.
But the name would not be from the early 1900ís but maybe more likely the 1870ís or 1880ís. The man didnít have the gun as a child but presumably as an adult. He would have been born 20-30 years earlier.

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Neat history! That last name looks like it starts with a D. Maybe Drita or Dvata. I think that the second is most likely. There is a little "hook" cutting through the edge of the first letter. There is an Albanian surname of Drita, and there was even a current Gheorghe Drita listed on the Namespedia.com website.

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George Hopkins Cater.

Go to www.familysearch.org and search on his name. The guy lived in several places in Nevada, including Esmeralda County. To my eyes, the signature on this registration card resembles the writing on the inside surface of the stock panel.

I'm not certain this is a correct identification for the gun's owner, but the odds look good to me.
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I think DCWilson has this figured out. The lettering and style from his attacment are just about dead on.
It looks that way to me also.

I wonder what George would have thought about us trying to decipher his signature 112 years later and doing the research on the internet.

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George Hopkins Cater.

..... To my eyes, the signature on this registration card resembles the writing on the inside surface of the stock panel.

I'm not certain this is a correct identification for the gun's owner, but the odds look good to me.
Good one. The odds look good to me, too.

I'm no forensic handwriting expert by a long shot, but comparing the two names, there is only one discrepancy that would make me pause, the additional hook after the first letter of the last name on the wood (red arrow). Elsewise, very similar, especially considering the awkwardness of writing on wobbly wood.
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What a great blog, very interesting. Hope there is a solution.
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Good one. The odds look good to me, too.

I'm no forensic handwriting expert by a long shot, but comparing the two names, there is only one discrepancy that would make me pause, the additional hook after the first letter of the last name on the wood (red arrow). Elsewise, very similar, especially considering the awkwardness of writing on wobbly wood.
The hook is like Cater's, but notice that the writing on the stock ties the first letter to the second at the midpoint, while Cater ties C to A at the baseline. I'm not an examiner, either, but was partnered with one for a few years and picked up what he looked for. The medium could made a difference, too. Wood vs. paper, rounded bottom vs. flat. Cater looks promising.
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Cater is looking very good for this especially when you compare the signature on the stocks to the second (lower) signature on the draft card.
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It looks to me like the George and Cater in the signature at the bottom don't match the George and Cater written at the top. The Hopkins looks the same both places but the one at the top looks like it was written at a different time as that George Cater, like whoever wrote at the top didn't know his middle name and he wrote it in when he signed it.
The other G's on the registration do seem to match the G's on the grips though but why would the person filling out the registration in 1918 write 1906 on George's grips?
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One more data point:

Even though the name George H. Cater can be found in different censuses, it's not clear that they are all the same person. In 1930, however, there is a George H. Cater living in the greater Los Angeles area with his wife and two adult sons. His occupation is reported as "Mining." and his industry is "Gold Mine." Gotta ask yourself, what are the odds?
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One more comment on handwriting. There was a time when "penmanship" was a class in Elementary School. I'm not sure how a crack on the knuckles was supposed to improve your handwriting, but it did.

My handwriting and my father's were almost identical, because we had been taught from the same book by the same sadist.

In other words, you could expect people of a similar education level to have similar hands, in that the capital C would or would not have a tail based more on the text book (Palmer, in this case) than individual self-expression. The angle of the script and the connections between letters tell more than the shape of the letters, as these were more idiosyncratic.


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That said, after reading bdmoss88's post, I realized I had looked at where Cater's name appears as data on the draft card, not at the signature. I don't see a man who had written so neatly on wood with a pencil at 24 making that signature on paper with ink at 36. My guess is that Cater signed the draft card after it had been filled in by Peterson.

Like DCWilson, I still like the name Cater as a possibility, just not this Cater.
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This whole thread is just too cool for school as they say.
Ain't the info you can find on the internet a wunnerful and amazing thing?
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That said, after reading bdmoss88's post, I realized I had looked at where Cater's name appears as data on the draft card, not at the signature. I don't see a man who had written so neatly on wood with a pencil at 24 making that signature on paper with ink at 36. My guess is that Cater signed the draft card after it had been filled in by Peterson.

Like DCWilson, I still like the name Cater as a possibility, just not this Cater.
The differences between the name at the top and the bottom may or may not be explainable by the need to squeeze the signature into a rather narrow line, which tends to throw off patterns.

However, I am reasonably certain that John Peterson did not fill in anything on the front of the card. His handwriting as reflected in his signature looks nothing like Caterís: Petersonís is the hand of someone who writes with discipline, order, and routine (like a registrar ), none of which is evident with Caterís information.

As for the difference in neatness between the wood and the form, one could expect someone to be more fussy, carefully holding the grip panel steady while fitting the information he wants to get onto the wood in the space he has, compared to filling in a form, maybe standing at a counter in an office, an annoying duty you just want to get done.

Proves nothing, just idle speculation, but would fit the evidence.
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I have come to agree with the position that Absalom laid out just above. When I first looked at the Draft Reg. card, the only signature I trusted to be Cater's was the one at the bottom. The more I look at it, the more it seems he might have filled out all the front side of the card. That doesn't mean I am blind to some odd variety in letter forms on Side 1, but I think they may not be significant enough to let us conclude two different people worked on that side.

I still haven't figured out whether the closest relative -- Mrs. W.B. Petrick of Dover, OK -- is a sister, remarried mother, or sister-in-law. Given the age of his older son, Cater would have been married and a father by the time he bought the gun in Goldfield.
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Maybe now a relative doing genealogy research will turn up this thread (as happened with a LE gun a few years ago) and confirm one of these stories.
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At this point I feel like saying one of our former female Secretary of State's most famous quotations.
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One of the best episodes from Ghost Adventures was their visit to the Goldfield Hotel.

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I'm seeing (Geo.) George H. Water(s). But, I'm pretty drugged up in this hospital bed.
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Goldfield is a neat place to visit as is the abandoned gold mining town of Bodie in CA

I think the first name is Geo for George.
Bodie was a silver mining town, running huge stamp mills.
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The M&P arrived on Friday. I have attached some additional pics of the inscription.

I will say this though. It has the smoothest trigger pull in single and double action of any K FRAME that have ever owned or even held for that matter. It is a slick as glass with the perfect “break “ in either mode.
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Some more pics of the revolver. There is some holster wear and an interesting wear pattern on the top strap.

The bore shines like a mirror.
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