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Every time I go over to Sammy's place he digs out another old gun for me to look at.

This one is kept in the bathroom vanity drawer "In case some body busts in on me while I'm busy".

Notice the barrel, right above the end of the ejector rod tip. It looks squibbed to me but Sammy said it was from firing the gun while the muzzle was jabbed into somebodies gut. I didn't ask no other questions about it.....Somethings it's just best not knowing.

You might also note the fur growing on the forcing cone. Sammy said firing it just one time would take care of that accumulated fuzz.

Anyway, Sammy is well up into his 80's now. He assures me things were different back then.

I told him that I knew just the place to learn about his old .32 long revolver......Can anyone shed some light on this revolver?

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Sammy has a .32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903, made between 1910-1917.
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...that one makes me itchy just looking at it...

...a little fungicide might be in order there...
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The 5th Change started in 1910 at 102-, and I’ve got a 149- that shipped in November 1911, so this 115- was almost certainly produced in later 1910.

Firing that might take care of more than just the fuzz.

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Something is going on with bug screw at the top of the sideplate.

Is that a rivet of some sort or did the screwhead get peened or some such ?

Have Sammy take some three in one oil to it 😁

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Is the barrel dented?
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Is the barrel dented?
I didn't get a chance for a short arm inspection.
I'm just looking at that bulge behind the front sight.

I don't know if I would fire this revolver.
I darn sure know that I would not be the first on the firing line with it.
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It just needs a good cleaning. I had one like it years ago, including the bulged barrel. The bulge didn't affect the accuracy at all.
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Is the cylinder loaded or are they empty shells?
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Got a real chemistry project going there. Barrel is bulged most likely from a squib rather than a belly obstruction. I have a barrel just like it. The upper side plate when blowing up the photo looks like it has some remaining slot in a screw , but also has growth of fungi obscuring it.

I would bet the gun is loaded. You have an interesting friend there.
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Push the thumb piece forward on the left side of the frame, push the cyl out to the left and unload it.


OLD GUN CLEANING AND SAFETY CHECK PROTOCOL FOR HEIRLOOMS & NEW GUN OWNERS:

Simply put, the only usual issue with these marvels of yesteryear is they are gummed up and dirty. Old oils of its time do not match the quality of these old guns nor the science of today, and actually dry up and harden to the point of impeding operation and accelerating wear. The simple solution does not need a gunsmith or removal of the side plate. Just one of many premium modern gun care products from any sporting goods, gun store or hardware store.

Most are both cleaning and preserving agents; Breakfree, Kroil & M-Pro7 are some of the best, and there are others, but do not use WD-40. Disassembly is not necessary. With grips removed and a spray can version of the product, flood and flush the revolver thru every opening and crevice until the black gunk stops flowing out, let it drain for an hour and wipe it down thoroughly with the same product.

Scrub barrel bore and cylinder chambers with a simple cleaning rod kit found at the same places as the cleaning agents above; patches cut from rags is all you really need. And scrub any observed exterior and crevice crud with an old toothbrush with bristles cut off short for stiffness.

You have a quality made, very well engineered, assembled with skilled craftsmanship, and hand fitted revolver, no longer affordable to produce on a competitive market basis, and the likes of which we'll never see again, ever.

To remove grips for cleaning the gun: loosen the grip screw completely and carefully push down on the screw head until the bottom grip separates, then remove. Now carefully push the top side grip off with a finger or toothbrush from the backside thru the grip frame.

The gun is now original and will never have greater value. I would not refinish it and throw away all of the "character" acquired thru its life so far. It will only retain that value by retaining its originality. The only way to make it more original is to remove anything that it did not have on it when new, like any black tarnish or corrosion. Black and dark brown areas thru the blue, on bare metal or where nickel plating is worn off is very unsightly.


For rust spots, Blue Wonder cleaner will remove the rust but leave the bluing. Or use Bronze wool, not steel wool, size 0000 and toothbrush with bristles cut short, and a rust removing agent/gun cleaner like M-Pro 7 (odor free), Kroil or Breakfree and gentle scrubbing.


Once cleaned and lubricated, with a few simple checks you can determine if itís safe to use; no need to waste time and money on a gunsmith, especially if you don't know one. Open the cylinder and verify the barrel is unobstructed. Cock the hammer in single action mode. Gently push on the hammer to confirm that it will not drop w/o pulling the trigger. Cock the hammer slowly and confirm the cylinder locks in position for each of the 5 or 6 chambers about the same time the hammer cocks. If satisfactory, now operate the gun in DA pulling the trigger slowly; again confirm the cyl locks before the hammer drops. After each cycling of the action, confirm that the cyl is still locked in position.

Cylinders can have fore and aft movement and rotational movement. Check rotational movement with the hammer cocked just to make sure it wonít skip to another chamber. That's all that is really important from a safety concern. Then unless you experience 'spitting' at the barrel/cyl gap when fired, you have no reason for concern.

You have a quality made, very well engineered, assembled with skilled craftsmanship, and hand fitted revolver, no longer affordable on a competitive market basis, and the likes of which we'll never see again, ever.

Shoot it to your hearts delight, and it will delight you with its fine accuracy, and comfortable recoil.

Any current off the shelf Ďstandardí factory loaded ammo is loaded safely for use in these old guns.

Disassembly
If you do want to venture further to disassemble, although not needed, here are two videos using a gun almost like yours, a .38 Special Model 10, showing step by step disassembly and reassembly:

8/6/16 Best video for disassembly/assembly:
I don't use the special tool but it sure makes it easier.


Obtaining ammo is not a problem, you may find it locally, many gun shops do stock it. Here's two great online sources to find ammo in stock in every price range:
In stock ammo, guns, magazines, and reloading supplies
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Got a real chemistry project going there. Barrel is bulged most likely from a squib rather than a belly obstruction. I have a barrel just like it. The upper side plate when blowing up the photo looks like it has some remaining slot in a screw , but also has growth of fungi obscuring it.

I would bet the gun is loaded. You have an interesting friend there.
Sammy is a hoot.
He was a wildcat driller who hit it big back in the 60's and 70's.
At one point he owned the largest petroleum pipeline company in Texas.

He told me a story of how him and Hondo Crouch (founder of Luckenboch Texas) went to town to pick up some girls. They were in a Cadillac convertible with the top down. Sammy said that Hondo got to complaining about it being a tad chilly so Sammy pulled over to get a buffalo robe out of the trunk. Hondo put on the robe and into the bar they went.

Well, everything was going real smooth until the robe started stinking. Sammy said that he kept meaning to get it treated but never got around to it....and now Hondo is wearing it and can't get a woman to get within 50 feet of him.

I was laughing so hard that tears were rolling down my cheeks.

Just to give you an idea, the background in these photos is the hood of his old truck, rust and all.

Sammy is long retired now. He is running some investments and looking forward to "beer-thirty" every afternoon.
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First thing I noticed is how worn those grips are, the checkering is worn slick. That was a well used gun. Sammy sounds like one of those guys, if you are fortunate enough to get to know you will never forget.
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