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Old 08-17-2018, 11:19 PM
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I just picked up my newly acquired Reg Mag. The box, tube, various Smith paperwork and letter packed ready for the trip home to "vault" guarded by dogs! I have another set of crappy iPhone shots figured it is a good time to post. Picked up a 1950 with the RM. Both guns unfired out of factory.




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You musta driven home in an armored truck guarded by Brinks. Stunning.
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You musta driven home in an armored truck guarded by Brinks. Stunning.
Thanks!!! Lol

Let's just say there is Glock somewhere in the equation....

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The slobber factor is very, very high!!
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Oh my goodness! I have bought new vehicles that didn't cost what that RM is worth. Plus the 1950 .45. My, my!
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You didn't stop by the range and pop off a few before getting to the vault? That's why you will never see me buying a gun that nice. I can't resist temptation. I'm weak and would probably convince myself that I will die in a week and can't go to the grave without knowing what it feels like to shoot something that pretty.

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Oh my goodness! I have bought new vehicles that didn't cost what that RM is worth. Plus the 1950 .45. My, my!
The question is do we get more out of the cars than an RM?
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Anything less than WOW!! is an understatement!
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WOW. WOW. WOW !!!

Didn't know there was such a thing as an unfired RM.
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You didn't stop by the range and pop off a few before getting to the vault?
lol.. No - I don't think the range is a stop with this one, although I do have an RM that could be a shooter given condition. Funny thing is I have a few handguns I fire not because I don't want to shoot others, mainly because I practice using the same firearms. I like feeling as familiar as possible with a few firearms and there is only so much time for fun. One of my favorite revolvers is a SW 19-4 LAPD commemorative. Most collectors will face away from this gun. Don't know why I just love the gun. This being said, it is hard to argue a pre 27 isn't a great gun either. It won't come as a surprise I have a few 1911 variations. The gun I shoot more often than not is a modern Springfield MC Operator. Another gun others would say you gatta be kidding me but for me it is an amazing pistol.
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WOW. WOW. WOW !!!

Didn't know there was such a thing as an unfired RM.
They are out there...
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While I'm in awe, an unfired RM is a white elephant to me. The urge to shoot would be very powerful!
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i'd say I'd swap a 2006 GNC Sierra with less than 24K on the speedo,4 year old Michilin tires, just had the radiator flushed out and new Dexcool installed,oil changed every 3k miles and all new belts and hoses. But I'd be a darned fool for doing so. At the present its worth more than a RM and then I'd have to go out and get another truck and new note. Frank
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Since the factory test fired all of them with the selected ammo and hold on the order form, they aren't 'unfired'. I would have to put at least one more round through it just to say I had!
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All it takes is money~
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Good for you man!! We must have the story about finding it and the purchase.AND more pics!!
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I looked again at your post from last week. Did your RM come with box, certificate and mailing tube? And hereís a question Iíve never seen b4: do we know who got to shoot The RMs in at the factory? Was it Doug Wesson? Whatís the number of the gun? Well done and thanks, Dave.
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Takes a lot more than the money when it comes to finding something like this. FTR - If I turned and sold this one today, I would make an immediate profit. In this case, the seller is smart enough to know this referring to potential retail value. He knew this gun is in my vertical of interest when he saw the gun. This is probably why he bought it in the first place. The seller is a close friend and I made the buy very easy. I always do. The best is not cheap unless the seller is unaware of true value. People from time to time ask how do you find these amazing guns? I heavily network. I don't take advantage by snookering others when I know more and I am respectful. With guns at this level when they come up, I buy from reputable sellers who make reasonable profit from their ongoing good customers. The second thing - I don't nickel and dime people. Some buyers even when they are offered a great amazing price for a good gun just have to squeeze the rock and haggle. When you see the best of the best and the price is reasonable, hopefully not full retail buy on the spot. If you have the money this is my suggestion when something special comes up. How many times have you heard, "I let that one go if only" or "I waited too long and someone scooped it up underneath me". The ones that got away. The dealers who get the best guns do so from happy customers and in turn sell to those that make the buying cycle easy. The coolest of collectors with the best stuff more times than not sell to friends and more times than not are not doing so at retail. They sell to someone who is appropriate and someone who specializes in a vertical. The person that either needs or deserves the gun. Why will I not fire this one? I am a caretaker. I am responsible for keeping this gun as it is for future generations. I drove 6 hours to pick this one up personally so some idiot along the way couldn't "f" it up in transit while shipping. This revolver has been well taken care of 90 years. This revolver looks straight out of the box new from factory. One bad move and it is damaged forever unrecoverable. The seller knows this, he knows I know this. The seller wanted the gun in the right hands not sold to someone who would destroy it based on lack of proper and appropriate care. I understand why some would want to fire a gun like this, but there are other guns better suited than a rare unfired registered magnum with a matching numbered to the gun box complete with tube and cert. To make my point here is a set of guns I bought last week again way below retail value. They were not inexpensive; however they are very special. The seller knew exactly what he had. Another very good friend mentor and I am a good customer.


For those not in this vertical - this is a parked 1911A1. Absolutely perfect RS marked 1941 very early with plastic stocks (another crappy IPhone shot). The second gun was bought also as a pair with the Colt. Excellent condition Walther PP with rare NSKK markings. 1938 with Crowne-N proofs. These are unicorns you just can't find. Again the seller knew this.

I hope this information is useful. Last comment it doesn't matter if the gun is in the few hundred range, few thousand of six figure price. This rule applies to even the most inexpensive guns. My favorite gun I bought in the last 7 days cost me 400 dollars. A story for another time.

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Thanks for sharing, I don't believe I could spend that much on a firearm and not have at least one range day with it.
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Please post some more pictures of the RM, box, tube, certificate, etc. when you have time. Beautiful! Is that a 6.5”?

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Good lookin' shooter! Range report?
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Will do when I return to the vault! Standard 6 1/2 with the addition of factory packaged sight inserts add SW paperwork. Only thing missing was the cleaning brush set and original screwdriver. When I picked up the Colt and PP last week seller sold me a period correct screwdriver for this gun! $300.. Great buy..

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Not that I get a vote, but I agree that you should NOT shoot this gun. Donít forget: more pics!
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Outstanding RM!

Verticals... That is too corporate for an S&W Board!
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Not that I get a vote, but I agree that you should NOT shoot this gun. Donít forget: more pics!
Every gets to vote and have an opinion... Free country right?
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Verticals... That is too corporate for an S&W Board!
Problem as I get older spend more time horizontal!
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Beautiful gun!!! I cannot wait to see the whole package!

Thanks for sharing,
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Quote: I don't nickel and dime people. Some buyers even when they are offered a great amazing price for a good gun just have to squeeze the rock and haggle. When you see the best of the best and the price is reasonable, hopefully not full retail buy on the spot. If you have the money this is my suggestion when something special comes up. How many times have you heard, "I let that one go if only" or "I waited too long and someone scooped it up underneath me". The ones that got away. The dealers who get the best guns do so from happy customers and in turn sell to those that make the buying cycle easy. The coolest of collectors with the best stuff more times than not sell to friends and more times than not are not doing so at retail.Unquote/

Great advice and wisdom.Some folks insist on haggling,even if it's a bargain,even the seller knows its a bargain as well.A circuit in their brain insists on getting something off and that need can overshadow everything else.They must have that satisfaction that they saved a few bucks or broke the seller down.(The flip side of that coin is an auction setting where the most important high for some folks, is denying another bidder from getting it) It can all get twisted.
When a dealer has a nice gun that he's willing to move along at a fair price, who is he going to call? The decent no bs "I'll take it" guy, or the guy that he knows will engage him in an awkward dance that he doesn't want to do.
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Congratulations on acquiring a high condition Registered Magnum, the pinnacle of S&W revolvers!

However, I cannot agree that the revolver is unfired, post-factory. "Unfired" is a much-abused term when it comes to describing vintage guns, even ignoring factory test firing. Many people cannot or will not see evidence of use of a gun, such as the no-longer-sharp checkering points, preferring to believe the story than to inspecting the gun. I like the story, too, but the story is not necessarily accurate.

There is a slight cylinder turn line.

More significantly, take a look at the second excellent photo, depicting the stocks. At the front of the stocks, particularly near the bottom, the points of the checkering are no longer sharp and are somewhat flattened. Compare the checkering points at the front bottom of the stocks to the checkering at the back of the stocks. S&W did not manufacture the gun with different sharpness of checkering on different parts of the stocks.

The front bottom checkering wears first, before the checkering at the back of the stocks. That is the area where we grip the stocks the tightest. I know this from shooting many thousands of rounds out of previously unfired S&W and Colt revolvers and noting the wear pattern on the stocks.

The wear pattern of the stocks is consistent with thousands of rounds of shooting, in the approximately 6,000 to 10,000 round range (an extremely rough estimate). I have inspected many revolvers (typically "Dad's gun" or "Grandpa's gun") with the exact same wear patterns on the stocks.

The lack of high edge wear on the revolver is consistent with never holstering the revolver.

I conclude that this was somebody's prized target revolver, used, shot, enjoyed, and quite well maintained.

Your RM is a rare, high condition prize, which virtually all S&W collectors (myself included) would be thrilled to have in their collections.
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Thank you ..

Stories are always taken from a perspective. This is a free country. You don't have to agree this gun is unfired. We all have the right to an opinion. On the other hand, you do have accept my point of view from handling the gun this one is from physical inspection unfired until you actually put hands and eyes on the gun or there are more detailed pictures posted. Can I be wrong? Sure even the best are sometimes fooled, but IMO as far as everything important from a visual inspection this one shows as an after factory unfired revolver. Is it possible there were a few rounds? Of course it is, but truth is I don't see people that good at cleaning or not messing up a revolver to pull this off with a 90 year old gun. Respectfully, I don't believe you have enough information to make the call from two crappy IPhone shots. I won't go deep into the specifics as to why this is clearly as new in the box other than to say I didn't fall of the back of truck yesterday - been doing this one for a while. If it feels better to say the revolver cannot be improved upon at condition 99% plus this works for me too. Referring to a slight cylinder turn line, this is far from uncommon given how some handle or mishandle revolvers. I would expect with a 90 year old gun someone along the way rotated the wheel a few times - maybe more than few. If there was a more pronounced cylinder turn line this would be another thing. Nevertheless, a very slight turn line on its own certainly doesn't define a fired gun as a standalone point. Stocks - I would be shocked if a 90 year old gun was never handled; however these too do exist (untouched firearms). As far as the stocks are concerned take a better look because there is zero wear on the checkering. You are seeing a light reflection off the cut edges based on a quick Iphone picture with poor light positioning and assuming it is handling wear. I made a point of saying these are crappy shots FTR. Saying there are 6000 plus rounds though this gun without a visual - well i have to say if you are correct bravo because no one in my circle can pull that one off. If I was more concerned about vindicating my assessment or proving myself more detailed pictures in areas indicating usage would prove a point. The correct way to inspect for usage is a visual on the forcing cone, cylinder face, recoil plate, chamber, extractor rod and muzzle right off as a first pass. I am not here to prove anything. I'm not going through that exercise; however I will take some high rez shots of the package and post later.

For forum and political correctness I will revise my stated unfired position with this gun as "appears unfired".. FTR -The Model of 1950 45 Target also pictured "appears" to be unfired also..


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However, I cannot agree that the revolver is unfired, post-factory. "Unfired" is a much-abused term when it comes to describing vintage guns, even ignoring factory test firing. Many people cannot or will not see evidence of use of a gun, such as the no-longer-sharp checkering points, preferring to believe the story than to inspecting the gun. I like the story, too, but the story is not necessarily accurate.

There is a slight cylinder turn line.

More significantly, take a look at the second excellent photo, depicting the stocks. At the front of the stocks, particularly near the bottom, the points of the checkering are no longer sharp and are somewhat flattened. Compare the checkering points at the front bottom of the stocks to the checkering at the back of the stocks. S&W did not manufacture the gun with different sharpness of checkering on different parts of the stocks.

The front bottom checkering wears first, before the checkering at the back of the stocks. That is the area where we grip the stocks the tightest. I know this from shooting many thousands of rounds out of previously unfired S&W and Colt revolvers and noting the wear pattern on the stocks.

The wear pattern of the stocks is consistent with thousands of rounds of shooting, in the approximately 6,000 to 10,000 round range (an extremely rough estimate). I have inspected many revolvers (typically "Dad's gun" or "Grandpa's gun") with the exact same wear patterns on the stocks.

The lack of high edge wear on the revolver is consistent with never holstering the revolver.

I conclude that this was somebody's prized target revolver, used, shot, enjoyed, and quite well maintained.

Your RM is a rare, high condition prize, which virtually all S&W collectors (myself included) would be thrilled to have in their collections.

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The light and cellphone pics are playing tricks on me.
The top pic looks like the front side plate screw slot towards the top is positioned at 10 o'clock..... bottom fuzzy pic the top of the screw slot appears positioned at 12 o'clock. Not trying to be a butthead, just an observation.
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The previous post reminds me of a thread on another forum entitled.

''75,000 Rounds Thru My Model 27'', ln that thread the poster showed

lots of high resolution shots of his revolver... What l concluded almost

immediately was the lack of wear on critical parts... l personally have

a S&W revolver with app 15,000 rounds documented.. lt shows very little

wear also... l have been shooting/collecting S&W revolvers for almost 50 years..

What never ceases to AMAZE me is how well made they really are.

Esp the Carbon Steel Blued Ones.. Built to last FOREVER
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The RM looks mint to me. Similar to the one I have that has virtually no wear inside or out and no cartridge case imprints on the recoil shield. Click on the photo for a better look.

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This is starting to sound like the Colt forum where the owners of a third generation Colt SAA revolver, claimed to be NIB get their undies in a bunch if there is even a hint of a turn line. Makes me bloody head spin.

Is this Registered Magnum unfired? Or, has it fired ten rounds, ten thousand rounds, a million rounds? Who cares.

What really matters is that the present condition is such that the owner feels he/she is comfortable owning it--the make, model, and condition are such that it provides enjoyment to the owner such that he/she would rather own this rather than have the funds this revolver would bring if offered for sale to invest in alternative investment vehicles.

Should this cease to be the case, it still doesn't matter how many rounds have been fired in this revolver, if any. What matters is that buyer and seller are in agreement with its present physical condition such that a transaction can occur. Or, rather, there is agreement as to the value of such revolver such that the seller is satisfied that the revolver is worth exactly, or less than, what he/she is willing to sell it for. Conversely, the buyer is convinced it is worth at least, or greater than, the dollar amount he/she is willing to give to the seller.
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First off, what a beautiful RM, Iím glad that you have it and appreciate the rarity of an RM in unfired condition, Iíll go against the grain of some and say that there are some guns that deserve to not be shot. More pictures please ! As far as the stocks go they look pretty much untouched to me, darkened with age and a bit of handling but certainly not worn from use. Thanks for showing.
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The RM looks mint to me. Similar to the one I have that has virtually no wear inside or out and no cartridge case imprints on the recoil shield. Click on the photo for a better look.

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A thing of beauty!!
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The light and cellphone pics are playing tricks on me.
The top pic looks like the front side plate screw slot towards the top is positioned at 10 o'clock..... bottom fuzzy pic the top of the screw slot appears positioned at 12 o'clock. Not trying to be a butthead, just an observation.
Two different revolvers.
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woops ...sorry about that....I'll catch-up later!
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I'm sorry, and I don't usually weigh in on these extreme high end Smiths, because I am not an expert. But, if this RM has 6,000-10,000 rounds through it, I will eat my model ten. Making a call like that on a collector's opinion, based on shadows on the checking on the grips in cell phone pic, is disingenuous at the best.
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I believe this is the original owner.

Franklyn MacCormack - Wikipedia

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Thanks for the additional picture. What a fantastic package!
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In regards to your six hour drive and your relationship with your dealer, I wish more people had your outlook! There are way too many people who think they are owed something. Great gun, great post. I salute you and your dealer!

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I'm sorry, and I don't usually weigh in on these extreme high end Smiths, because I am not an expert. But, if this RM has 6,000-10,000 rounds through it, I will eat my model ten. Making a call like that on a collector's opinion, based on shadows on the checking on the grips in cell phone pic, is disingenuous at the best.
Really?

Disingenuous?

I state my opinion, based upon my own knowledge and experience with Smith & Wesson revolvers, and I am disingenuous?

I am offended at your remark.

Could the OP please post a close up photo, or two, of the stocks? I see wear patterns. Others think I am disingenuous.
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Beautiful Package!!! Thanks for sharing.
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Really?

Disingenuous?

I state my opinion, based upon my own knowledge and experience with Smith & Wesson revolvers, and I am disingenuous?

I am offended at your remark.

Could the OP please post a close up photo, or two, of the stocks? I see wear patterns. Others think I am disingenuous.


You should probably stop while you're ahead. Wait, you're not ahead. Maybe stop before you deepen the hole that you are in?

I see absolutely ZERO distinguishable wear on those stocks, so using that as a point of reference is moot.

The revolver is absolutely gorgeous for 90 years old - like the OP stated in a previous post, maybe it was fired a handful of times, MAX. Now, 6-10,000 times? Stevie Wonder could tell us there's no way in hell that's true.........


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Thanks for the pic and the Wikipedia article. Very interesting.I imagine the guy with the shiniest Caddy in Chicago also took exquisite care of this gun! I saw this gun listed for sale but didnít know he was a celebrity. Did you have to pay the published price or did you get a discount? Again, awesome gun. Well done.
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Franklyn MacCormack - Wikipedia
I spent the 1st 17 yrs. of my life living just outside of Chicago in Gary, Indiana. Listened to WGN all the time. I haven't heard the name Frank MacCormack in over 50 yrs. Wow, does time fly.

BTW, what a great gun / package. Congrats!!
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Collects, do you realize the OP picture one is the RM, picture three is the 1950?

Bigl1911, what does the term "vertical" mean.
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Absolutely amazing! Congratulations!
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