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What's the biggest "tell" to ID a triple lock hammer? Chafing bushings?
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Yes but bushings are also found on other early hammers. The flat foot is the true tell tale.

There was a recent post with photos either here or the gunsmithing section.
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Guy,

Been looking for the TL hammer thread but can't find it. Can you post a photo?
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A photo of what Jim? I don't have a hammer that I have a question on. I was just curious that if I found some hammers If I could identify a triple lock Hammer from a 1917 for example.

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Found it.

Notice the foot on the TL hammer in the center:


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More photos in the thread: What did I buy for $13?
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Thanks Jim!

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In going a step further, is this the correct trigger to go along with this type of hammer?
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It looks very much like the trigger in my triple lock.
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In going a step further, is this the correct trigger to go along with this type of hammer?
Yes it is.
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The 4 specific differences of the TL action.

For the short DA action hammer throw:
the DA sear (hammer fly) mounted on hammer,
and the trigger sear.

For the short rebound action:
the hammer foot,
and the rebound slide 'bump' that interfaces with the hammer foot.

Also confusing these parts differences is that the TL short action parts will be found in early 44 and 455 2nd Models because these changes occurred about the same time as the introduction of the Second Models.
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What's the biggest "tell" to ID a triple lock hammer? Chafing bushings?

That would be it.
The N frame hammers and triggers with chafing bushings are all the same.
They were used in-
The Triple Locks
The 455-2nd Models
Only the very earliest 44-2nd Models.


Shortly after WW I, the hammer and trigger were changed to form what we call the "Long Action" and the chafing bushings were dropped at that time.
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That would be it.
The N frame hammers and triggers with chafing bushings are all the same.
They were used in-
The Triple Locks
The 455-2nd Models
Only the very earliest 44-2nd Models.


Shortly after WW I, the hammer and trigger were changed to form what we call the "Long Action" and the chafing bushings were dropped at that time.
Here's a picture of my 455 with the sideplate off. Looks like the TL trigger but the hammer is starting to take the shape of the follow-on long action hammers. Were they experimenting perhaps?

I guess this also means I need to find a project TL in need of a replacement trigger and hammer.


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Maybe just a different machinist?
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Apologies for reanimating an old thread but this came up in a different discussion about early N-frame hammers and triggers -- specifically chafing bushings. The abundance of knowledge found here, given freely by reasonably knowledgeable individuals, is greatly appreciated. Here's a small contribution, the hammer and trigger of my TL #13823 shipped November 1916 to El Paso TX when it was on Nelson Ford's workbench in June 2016. I had no idea then that this photo would be part of my ongoing S&W education. "Chafing bushings", who knew?

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Picked up another later early hammer with the bushings but the (what I'd call) transitional hammer foot.

Here's a few more pictures for reference. This seems to match what's in my 455 and in the later TL above.





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