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1947 M&P Snubby
Just bought a 1947 vintage 2" Long Action M&P. Gun is like new and has a Humpback Hammer. Is that unusual for a 2" revolver?
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And no pics? Make it happen!!!!
Not sure about the hammer. I think it's the norm for that era K frame though.... But I'm sort of out of my depth. Just going by looking at a lot of smiths online lately. Is yours a square butt?
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Probably not for a snubby. The HBH was mainly a creature of the late 1930s, and intended mainly for SA target shooting use. It was probably added to the '47 snubby later. But HBH hammers themselves are desirable items.
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Revolver seems to be near unused. I don't know why someone would put a hammer like that in a 2" revolver. A letter will tell. No pics. I won't have the gun for a week. Thanks, Big Larry
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And no pics? Make it happen!!!!
Not sure about the hammer. I think it's the norm for that era K frame though.... But I'm sort of out of my depth. Just going by looking at a lot of smiths online lately. Is yours a square butt?
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Yes, a square butt with sharp shoulder magnas. They are numbered to the gun. Thanks, Big Larry
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Hump back hammer on a M&P snubby... we need pictures.
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09-09-2018, 11:34 AM
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Hump back hammer on a M&P snubby... we need pictures.
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I do not have the gun in hand. I just bought it yesterday from a Cabelas. Next week for sure. They ship 2 Day Fedex.
The price was a little higher, $200 more than the one I got from Joe Salter last month. That one was drippy mint, and I got a letter with it.
I am banking on the hammer being factory. The gun is 99% and shows no use.
Besides, it is a one liner from 1947 with the long action. Kind of scarce, especially a 2".
I think a lot of folks passed it up as it was listed in the M10 section and not the M&P section.
Pics will be coming. This is their pic. Thanks, Big Larry
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...2 inch one liner is near the top of my list of like to haves...
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Not snubs, but I have one and have seen one other 4" M&P with humpbacks, which surprised me at the time. I don't know why, but they do exist. Or, they were using up a stash of humpbacks on the last of the long actions.
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HBHs could be special ordered as an option, but probably not as late as 1947. As replacing a hammer is pretty much a drop-in job, I'd think a modification by a previous owner is a more likely theory than coming from the factory that way. But if it's important to know, getting a letter is the only sure way. BTW, based on my SN list there seems to have been a fairly large number of S&W snubbies shipped in 1947-48, just before the changeover to the short action. I have no ideas as to why other than possibly a wave of post-WWII sales to police.
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What kind of hammer would that model normally have?
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I have a 2" M&P shipped 11/47, and it has the transitional type hammer. Looks very similar to yours.
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It's really hard to tell from that photo if it's a humpback or a normal long action style hammer.
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I have a 2" M&P shipped 11/47, and it has the transitional type hammer.
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It's really hard to tell from that photo if it's a humpback or a normal long action style hammer.
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Not quite sure what a “transitional type” hammer is, but any M&P up to 1948 should have the standard long-action hammer, since January 1945 shipped with the cut indicating the new hammer block; see attached. I can’t get the thumbnail-size picture posted by the OP to enlarge sufficiently to tell whether his gun has a different hammer shape either.
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1947 manufacture- right after WWII.
Possible the factory was using parts on hand to fill large orders as during WWII civilian firearms were not available to the general public.
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Originally Posted by larryofcc
I do not have the gun in hand. I just bought it yesterday from a Cabelas. Next week for sure. They ship 2 Day Fedex.
The price was a little higher, $200 more than the one I got from Joe Salter last month. That one was drippy mint, and I got a letter with it.
I am banking on the hammer being factory. The gun is 99% and shows no use.
Besides, it is a one liner from 1947 with the long action. Kind of scarce, especially a 2".
I think a lot of folks passed it up as it was listed in the M10 section and not the M&P section.
Pics will be coming. This is their pic. Thanks, Big Larry
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Here's one from early '51. Definitely a different hammer on this one. Mine sweeps upward, Big Larry's sweeps back.
M&P 2 inch Left.jpg
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Here's one from early '51. Definitely a different hammer on this one. Mine sweeps upward, Big Larry's sweeps back.
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Yes, as an early 1951 specimen yours has the new short-action hammer which was standard on all M&P’s starting in 1948. Unfortunately, it does not help here as this style is different from both the standard long-action and humpback hammers.
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As a side note, I also have a mint in the box 2" also from 1947. Completely different hammer than a Humpback. I also have a 6" M&P shipped 4-1948, same hammer as the 2" that I have eluded to. I guess I won't know until I get it. Worst case scenario, I will have 2 minty 2" Long Action pre 10's. That's not hard to take. Big Larry
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The standard long action hammer goes back to the beginning of production. The switch to the short action high speed hammer began around mid-1948. It is sometimes informally called the "fish hook" hammer. I believe it was used until around the time model numbering began in the late 1950s, when the hammer spur was changed to the semi-target style. There is no such thing as a "transition" hammer. In fact, I wish we could just scratch "transition" from the S&W lexicon permanently. It causes more confusion than it is worth.
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False alarm
Gun came today. So much for poor pictures. It is a standard 1947 long action M&P with a standard hammer. DUH !!!! BUT, it is a 99% revolver with a 2" bbl. That has to account for something.
I will letter it anyway. Thanks all. Big Larry
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Maybe you could buy a humpback hammer and transition the gun to one?????
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Gun came today and still no more picture?
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Pic is 15 posts up. Big Larry
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Gun came today. So much for poor pictures. It is a standard 1947 long action M&P with a standard hammer. DUH !!!! BUT, it is a 99% revolver with a 2" bbl. That has to account for something.
I will letter it anyway. Thanks all. Big Larry
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I didn't want to say based on the photo you posted that I was 99% sure it was just a normal long action hammer, but...still a nice pistol.
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Yes, thanks. It is a beauty and 100% matching numbers. Big Larry
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Great gun anyway, HBH or no. I had a post war long action snubby and like a big dummy, sold it. doh!
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Come Larry, TWO minty 2" long actions. TWO. Surely you could find it in your heart to share with your S&W friends. I can PM my address.
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The standard long action hammer goes back to the beginning of production. The switch to the short action high speed hammer began around mid-1948. It is sometimes informally called the "fish hook" hammer. I believe it was used until around the time model numbering began in the late 1950s, when the hammer spur was changed to the semi-target style. There is no such thing as a "transition" hammer. In fact, I wish we could just scratch "transition" from the S&W lexicon permanently. It causes more confusion than it is worth.
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I stand corrected. Guess you just have to expect mistakes from those of us still learning.
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Come Larry, TWO minty 2" long actions. TWO. Surely you could find it in your heart to share with your S&W friends. I can PM my address.
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I just have to take the time to photo the two together. You cannot tell the difference between the two. Big Larry
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