Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-12-2018, 10:32 PM
EarlB EarlB is online now
SWCA Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: North Texas
Posts: 228
Likes: 56
Liked 811 Times in 113 Posts
Default Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics

So one of my dealer/collector friends sends me a text today that he has a pre model 29 to offer. Blue, 6.5", 5-screw, really nice condition with the original cokes, no case or tools.

Now I know that the 5 screw pre-29's are more desirable/valuable. My question is, are the real late 5 screws which were made AFTER 4 screw production began worth any more or less, or more or less desirable than their earlier 5 screw counterparts?

After viewing his pics (a little mediocre, I'll post up some better ones if I end up getting it this weekend), I asked him for the S#. I was blown away when he gave it to me. My 4" 4-screw pre model 29 is lettered to have shipped on 3/14/1957 and is S# S 169327. This 6.5" 5 screw is S#S 174410 so almost at the end of the documented range of 5 screw pre-29s (SCSW says some are documented up to S 174500) and made after my 4 screw! While I know they did it and I've seen another 4" 5 screw numbered later than my 4 screw, it's seems to me to be unusual. I'm hoping I end up getting it and will post pics this weekend if I do.

Earl

Last edited by EarlB; 09-15-2018 at 09:12 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #2  
Old 09-12-2018, 10:45 PM
Engine49guy's Avatar
Engine49guy Engine49guy is offline
Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: May 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 6,637
Likes: 1,419
Liked 6,285 Times in 2,147 Posts
Default

Sounds interesting, Wondering if it has 6 groove tangs or 10 groove ? (my guess is 6 groove)

For comparison I have two five screw Pre 29's
Pre 29 .44 Magnum, 4" Barrel, Blue, Serial S 150214 Shipped Feb 1957
Pre 29 .44 Magnum, 4" Barrel, Blue, Serial S 168764 Shipped March 1957

Last edited by Engine49guy; 09-12-2018 at 10:48 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #3  
Old 09-12-2018, 10:48 PM
EarlB EarlB is online now
SWCA Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: North Texas
Posts: 228
Likes: 56
Liked 811 Times in 113 Posts
Default

I don't know yet, I can't tell from the pictures he sent. I will be sure to check when I get it. Now to sell a few things quick to pay for it Saturday

Quote:
Originally Posted by Engine49guy View Post
Sounds interesting, Wondering if it has 6 groove tangs or 10 groove ?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-13-2018, 07:05 AM
rolandbr rolandbr is offline
Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 26
Likes: 116
Liked 44 Times in 8 Posts
Default 6 Groove tang

Quote:
Originally Posted by Engine49guy View Post
Sounds interesting, Wondering if it has 6 groove tangs or 10 groove ? (my guess is 6 groove)

For comparison I have two five screw Pre 29's
Pre 29 .44 Magnum, 4" Barrel, Blue, Serial S 150214 Shipped Feb 1957
Pre 29 .44 Magnum, 4" Barrel, Blue, Serial S 168764 Shipped March 1957
These two above do they have 6 or 10 groove, I have Pre 29 5 screw 4" No S168719 and it has 6 groove?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-13-2018, 08:06 AM
Doc44's Avatar
Doc44 Doc44 is offline
Moderator

Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Indiana, USA
Posts: 6,771
Likes: 754
Liked 14,509 Times in 2,199 Posts
Default

Apparently, S&W found some five screw frames in mid-1957 and used them to make 44 Magnums. I have seen one with a serial number in the S176000 range. The one I owned (S174000) has tangs with ten grooves and was serial number marked like a 4-screw (no s/n on the rear side of the yoke, in the extractor rod shroud, etc.). As far as value goes, one of these might be worth a small premium to a collector who is trying to obtain all the possible variations of the 44 Magnum.
Bill

Last edited by Doc44; 09-13-2018 at 08:07 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
  #6  
Old 09-13-2018, 06:20 PM
Engine49guy's Avatar
Engine49guy Engine49guy is offline
Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: May 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 6,637
Likes: 1,419
Liked 6,285 Times in 2,147 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rolandbr View Post
These two above do they have 6 or 10 groove, I have Pre 29 5 screw 4" No S168719 and it has 6 groove?
Both of mine have 6 groove tangs
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #7  
Old 09-13-2018, 06:56 PM
H Richard's Avatar
H Richard H Richard is offline
US Veteran
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: West Central IL
Posts: 17,686
Likes: 8,813
Liked 11,374 Times in 4,888 Posts
Default

My guess would be less than $100 difference all other factors being equal.
__________________
H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-14-2018, 07:48 AM
Hawg Rider Hawg Rider is offline
Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 387
Likes: 0
Liked 436 Times in 85 Posts
Default

My 1957 6-1/2" blued 4-screw is s/n S177963. Beautiful piece with nice CB stocks...but I agree that the value of a 5-screw (for whatever reason) is slightly higher than a 4-screw. Difference of $100+ for a revolver is about right for this area, but sellers on GB put a real premium on 5-screws- especially with the proper box and goodies.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-14-2018, 11:32 AM
EarlB EarlB is online now
SWCA Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: North Texas
Posts: 228
Likes: 56
Liked 811 Times in 113 Posts
Default

Thanks, if I get it tomorrow I'll post up pics then be on the hunt for the box and tools. Earl
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-15-2018, 09:16 PM
EarlB EarlB is online now
SWCA Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: North Texas
Posts: 228
Likes: 56
Liked 811 Times in 113 Posts
Default

Well I got it. All in all I'm very happy. For a 61 year old revolver it's in pretty good condition. It's been shot very little if at all - almost no turn line. It isn't stone cold mint - there is a tiny chip in one of the cokes and alas there is a small scratch on the left side below the cylinder latch. I hadn't even noticed it till my son says "oh it's really nice except for that scratch". God I hate it when that happens.

It is S#S174416 so should be about at the end of the late run of 5 screws made in mid 1957. I'll send off for the letter next week. Oh and someone had asked, both it and my 3/57 4" 4 screw have 10 groove backstraps.

Earl














Last edited by EarlB; 09-15-2018 at 09:17 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-15-2018, 09:26 PM
Engine49guy's Avatar
Engine49guy Engine49guy is offline
Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: May 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 6,637
Likes: 1,419
Liked 6,285 Times in 2,147 Posts
Default

Very neat gun
Can you post a pic of the backstrap showing the tang grooves?

Wondering if your 4 screw gun has the same round jig hole in the grip frame behind the stock pin ?

Last edited by Engine49guy; 09-15-2018 at 09:27 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-15-2018, 09:35 PM
EarlB EarlB is online now
SWCA Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: North Texas
Posts: 228
Likes: 56
Liked 811 Times in 113 Posts
Default

Sorry for the poorer quality photo since it's night time but it should show you what you asked about. 4" 4-screw on the left, 6.5" 5-screw on the right. Yes, my 4" has the same round jig hole in the grip frame.

Earl



Quote:
Originally Posted by Engine49guy View Post
Very neat gun
Can you post a pic of the backstrap showing the tang grooves?

Wondering if your 4 screw gun has the same round jig hole in the grip frame behind the stock pin ?
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #13  
Old 09-15-2018, 09:53 PM
Engine49guy's Avatar
Engine49guy Engine49guy is offline
Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: May 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 6,637
Likes: 1,419
Liked 6,285 Times in 2,147 Posts
Default

Very interesting ,
For comparison the Combat Magnum (Pre 19) was introduced as a 4 screw frame in very late 1955, except for a few hand delivered VIP guns the earliest versions begin to ship after the X Mas holiday in 1956 with 6 groove tangs.... 10 groove CM tangs seem to appear sometime around June-July 1956.

If my theory is correct your late production 5 screw pre 29 would be the only K or N frame target sight S&W revolver variant having a 5 screw frame with the newer 10 groove tangs.

Last edited by Engine49guy; 09-15-2018 at 09:56 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-15-2018, 09:54 PM
ShadyDrifter ShadyDrifter is online now
Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 80
Likes: 12
Liked 87 Times in 29 Posts
Default

I've wanted a 5 screw 44 mag so bad for so long
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #15  
Old 09-15-2018, 10:06 PM
EarlB EarlB is online now
SWCA Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: North Texas
Posts: 228
Likes: 56
Liked 811 Times in 113 Posts
Default

Cool. I doubt Mr. Jinks has tang info to compare with but I will be sure to mention it in my letter request. Earl

Quote:
Originally Posted by Engine49guy View Post
Very interesting ,
For comparison the Combat Magnum (Pre 19) was introduced as a 4 screw frame in very late 1955, except for a few hand delivered VIP guns the earliest versions begin to ship after the X Mas holiday in 1956 with 6 groove tangs.... 10 groove CM tangs seem to appear sometime around June-July 1956.

If my theory is correct your late production 5 screw pre 29 would be the only K or N frame target sight S&W revolver variant having a 5 screw frame with the newer 10 groove tangs.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-16-2018, 07:35 AM
WCCPHD's Avatar
WCCPHD WCCPHD is offline
SWCA Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Apex, NC
Posts: 1,219
Likes: 1,293
Liked 4,339 Times in 706 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc44 View Post
Apparently, S&W found some five screw frames in mid-1957 and used them to make 44 Magnums. I have seen one with a serial number in the S176000 range. The one I owned (S174000) has tangs with ten grooves and was serial number marked like a 4-screw (no s/n on the rear side of the yoke, in the extractor rod shroud, etc.). As far as value goes, one of these might be worth a small premium to a collector who is trying to obtain all the possible variations of the 44 Magnum.
Bill
I have a pre-Model 27, five screw with a five inch barrel, serial number 173042. It has six grooves. There are serial numbers in the usual places except for the barrel shroud.

Roy said it was shipped in October, 1958, so I assume this is also one of the "found frames."

Bill
__________________
Bill
SWCA - 3128
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #17  
Old 09-16-2018, 08:29 AM
Hawg Rider Hawg Rider is offline
Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 387
Likes: 0
Liked 436 Times in 85 Posts
Default

Wow, that's a beauty! Very nice CB stocks, too. Is that a little chip on the front bottom of the r/h stock or just a reflection? If it is a chip and you'd like it repaired, DWFAN can fix you up. Very nice revolver!
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-16-2018, 10:47 AM
fyimo's Avatar
fyimo fyimo is offline
Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 18,653
Likes: 5,940
Liked 5,576 Times in 1,928 Posts
Talking

Congratulations as that is a great purchase.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-16-2018, 10:55 AM
EarlB EarlB is online now
SWCA Member
Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: North Texas
Posts: 228
Likes: 56
Liked 811 Times in 113 Posts
Default

Yep, it's a small chip. I'll probably end up sending it to him in the future or may just leave it for a bit of character. Haven't decided. Earl

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawg Rider View Post
Wow, that's a beauty! Very nice CB stocks, too. Is that a little chip on the front bottom of the r/h stock or just a reflection? If it is a chip and you'd like it repaired, DWFAN can fix you up. Very nice revolver!
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-16-2018, 11:04 AM
Doc44's Avatar
Doc44 Doc44 is offline
Moderator

Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics Very Late 5 screw Pre-Model 29 - Updated With Pics  
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Indiana, USA
Posts: 6,771
Likes: 754
Liked 14,509 Times in 2,199 Posts
Default

Tangs with ten grooves were first seen in mid-1956 around serial number S166500 for N-frame revolvers. 44 Magnums with serial number S167025 (June 1956) and S167145 (December 1956) each have a 5-screw frame and tangs with ten grooves.

Bill
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Late model 15 Thuer S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 10 05-02-2017 02:17 PM
629-3 (LATE) 3in Round Butt 44 EXC - LN "Rare Late Features" Bugs Bunny GUNS - For Sale or Trade 2 01-24-2013 02:24 PM
Pre-Model 14 from the late 40's Blackcloud2 S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 4 12-28-2012 11:43 PM
WTB Model 16 32 cal Barrel & Millet rear sight for late model K frame Aussie D WANTED to Buy 12 08-28-2011 11:39 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:56 PM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.42 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
S-W Forum, LLC 2000-2018
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)