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I would like help identifying 2 S&W .38 special snub nose revolvers.

Barrel: 1 13/16" serial: 6029

Barrel: 1 13/16" serial 14517

There are no letters with the serial numbers.
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PICS MIGHT HELP, dhj......
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One eye Joe,
Can not figure out how to post pictures as of yet. Both revolvers are 5 shooters, ramped front sight, grooved frame sight and all steel frame. After this posting similar postings appeared at the bottom of this page. Looks like my guns appear to be Baby Chief Specials.
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Those SNs would be in the range of the "Baby" Chiefs Special. The BCs went up to about SN 46000.

Barrel: 1 13/16" serial 6029 - SN 63xx shipped in 5/52
Barrel: 1 13/16" serial 14517 - SN 175xx shipped in 10/52

So both of yours also likely shipped in 1952. The first BCs shipped in late 1951.
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Welcome aboard from Wyoming.

If those numbers came from the bottom of the butt, bottom of the barrel and/or back of the cylinder, then, yes, you've got two Chiefs Specials. The factory might have shipped 6029 in February 1952 and 14517 in September 1952.

S&W launched the Chiefs Special in October 1950, but only 19 guns were shipped that year. Contemporary collectors call those early ones Baby Chiefs because the trigger guard is small and roundish and the butt is ⅛" shorter than the "Model of 1953," which has a larger, oval trigger guard.

The first Model of 1953 Chiefs were Airweight models with aluminum cylinders. The steel Model of 1953 didn't start leaving the factory till summer of 1954.

My photo shows the difference in the Baby and the next model.

You've got a pair of dandies there. Enjoy.
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Thank you all for your quick and expert replies, I really appreciate the help.
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Hope the picture comes through.
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Good looking gun thanks for posting and you have two. Wow 1 for each hand .Have you shot them ? Let us know how they handle and shoot . I would have to do the gun in each hand thing at least once of course with no one looking lol.
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This is the "model of 1953" referred to by two-bit cowboy in post #5. New trigger guard shape, still retains the Baby Chief hammer, 4 screw, and has serrated ramp front sight

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Nice grips Oldster. A friend has the 2 Baby Chiefs I inquired about. We do plan on a range outing. Thank you for the reply, this is a great place for info and all you folks are so considerate in your help.
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Those indeed should both be Baby Chief Specials.
The one in your pic, is the higher or lower S/N? It looks like a serrated ramp FS. The lower S/N might be a smooth ramp FS. That is in excellent condition. The smooth ramp FS variation was only made a very short while. Since all the Baby Chiefs are fairly scarce, the variations on them (half moon and smooth ramp FS) are even scarcer.
Be careful, as collecting Baby Chef Specials can become quite addicting. I bought my 1st one before I knew what I had. I just bought a used SW Chiefs Special at a gun show one day. I paid very little for it and didn't think much of it. When I eventually found out through this forum what I had I was elated because I basically stole it.
However, the money I have dropped since then, chasing this ramp or that screw has more than made up for any bargain I got that day... Buyer beware the lure of the Baby Chief!
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Nice that you were able to acquire two Baby Chiefs Specials. They are out there, but one does not come across them every day.

As a point of reference, here is some information no one else has mentioned. Your measurement of the barrel length is probably accurate or close. Most of these guns show an actual length of 1 7/8", so 1 13/16" is about right. However, the nominal listing for this barrel length has always been 2". In other words, it is referred to as a 2" barrel in the catalogs, box labeling and collector jargon.

Enjoy your two early J frame revolvers. They are fun to own and fun to shoot!
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The pic is fine.

This Baby Chief has the first style flat latch (of three styles). These are common on the Baby Chief, but they were not the first type of thumb piece used on this model. The first style was sculpted, just like the type used in the post-1966 period. It was quickly dropped on the CS, in favor of the flat latch seen on your gun. Later, on the "full size" Chiefs Special, the first style flat latch was replaced by the second style (sometime in the mid-1950s) and then, later in the 1950s, with the third style, which lasted until the sculpted type returned in 1966.
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Those indeed should both be Baby Chief Specials.
The one in your pic, is the higher or lower S/N? It looks like a serrated ramp FS. The lower S/N might be a smooth ramp FS. That is in excellent condition. The smooth ramp FS variation was only made a very short while. Since all the Baby Chiefs are fairly scarce, the variations on them (half moon and smooth ramp FS) are even scarcer.
Be careful, as collecting Baby Chef Specials can become quite addicting. I bought my 1st one before I knew what I had. I just bought a used SW Chiefs Special at a gun show one day. I paid very little for it and didn't think much of it. When I eventually found out through this forum what I had I was elated because I basically stole it.
However, the money I have dropped since then, chasing this ramp or that screw has more than made up for any bargain I got that day... Buyer beware the lure of the Baby Chief!
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Sorry I don't know which one is in the picture. Out of town for a week but will let you know when I get back. Thanks for the reply.
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I'm betting the one in the photo is 14517.

On another thread Hondo44 said the lowest sn he's seen with a serrated ramp front site is 6541. I'd put my money on 6029 having a smooth ramp, which makes it very special indeed that dutch harbor john nabbed one of each.

My data base has lots of holes, but it shows 11920 (shipped September '52) as the highest sn with a smooth ramp.
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I'm betting the one in the photo is 14517.



On another thread Hondo44 said the lowest sn he's seen with a serrated ramp front site is 6541. I'd put my money on 6029 having a smooth ramp, which makes it very special indeed that dutch harbor john nabbed one of each.



My data base has lots of holes, but it shows 11920 (shipped September '52) as the highest sn with a smooth ramp.


Hereís a new high for a Smooth ramp FS. S/N 12178. I bought it from David Carrol in March 2017. I donít have a pic currently.



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Hereís a new high for a Smooth ramp FS. S/N 12178. I bought it from David Carrol in March 2017. I donít have a pic currently.
Ah, ha. Thanks for that.

I had that sn in my data base from Roy's "ship date request" forum, but didn't know it was a smooth ramp. According to Roy, it shipped in May '52.

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