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84 Year Old RM Christmas Present
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Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Thanks for sharing.
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It’s my birthday gun. 17 years too early.....
Beautiful piece of art. Thanks for sharing. Merry Christmas.
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The Inspector must have been a paper pusher with his gun kept in his desk drawer!!!
That is SWEEeeeeeet collection ...... ever find a picture of the good Inspector?
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WOW! I had to see that the day before Christmas? Congratulations, RKmesa. Merry Christmas to the forum.
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That pushes all the right buttons for sure. Thanks for sharing that one and Merry Christmas.
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What a treat that is. Gorgeous gun, really cool research, nice photo. Thank you for sharing that!
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Simply outstanding Richard!! Thank you so much for sharing with us. Merry Christmas, Bob.
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Richard, I see that I am the only one who entered the drawing for the Christmas Gun Give Away! Thanks so much. Am I responsible for the shipping or is that included? Merry Christmas to you. Tom
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They don’t get much better than that. Fantastic piece
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Oh my... that is Outstanding
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Oh my god I am in love!! Don't tell my wife.
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Absolutely beautiful gun! That had to be one of the first ones with the Magna grips. Thanks for sharing, and Merry Christmas.
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RK, you owe me one. I’ll take this one! Thanks, and Merry Christmas!
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Merry Christmas to you and yours!
And it is I who thank you for sharing.
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Absolutely beautiful gun! That had to be one of the first ones with the Magna grips. Thanks for sharing, and Merry Christmas.
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An entirely reasonable assumption--------but as it happened, #'s 643, 644, and 645 were also delivered with Magnas; albeit had been ordered with the standard grip (grip adapters attached).
The somewhat fickle owner changed his mind once he learned of the Magnas, and the rest, as they say, is history.
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WOW just wow.
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Simply outstanding, there is something about those prewar 357's with 3.5 inch barrels that just say "badass" Thanks for showing us. Also Merry Christmas.
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Wow. Just wow.
The original owner is a tough one to find. Looks like his name was Anders en. Born in Denmark.
Here he is in the 1930 census. The street address is 210 S 35th Ave in Omaha.
And here is his and Mary's marriage license:
And here he is with Mary, 'til the end of time:
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Alfred's son (Richard R, 6 years old in the 1930 census), went on to become the chief of police in Omaha.
This 1974 write-up about Chief Richard. R. Andersen mentions his father, the original owner of that beautiful RM.
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357Magster, very impressive you found all of that information.
That is a beautiful revolver, to bad the inspector never got to really shoot it!
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Found something else. Pertinent part is in green font:
BAILEY RATED AS VERY DANGEROUS
'Ordinary Boolegger' Rises to Leader in Crime; Pal of 'Killer' Burke
KANSAS CITY, Sept. 4---Harvey Bailey is rated by authorities as one of the nation's most dangerous criminals.
He was regarded as so desperate that federal authorities did not take him from the jail recently when he was arraigned on kidnapping charges.
A United States commissioner went to the jail for the hearing and officers armed with machine guns were posted about.
Bailey, early his career of crime called "just an ordinary bootlegger," is under a murder indictment here as one of the machine gunners who killed four officers, one a department of justice agent, and Frank Nash, federal convict, in an ambush at the Union Station plaza June 17. Nash, Oklahoma train robber, died in the effort of his gangster friends to free him.
CAPTURED ON GOLF COURSE
Bailey and Wilbur Underhill, another killer, led the break from the Kansas State Penitentiary last Memorial Day in wihch eleven prisoners escaped by kidnapping Kirk Prather, then warden, and two guards.
Bailey, a middle aged man of massive stature, was sent to the Kansas prison August 17, 1932, to serve ten to 50 years for the $32,000 robbery of a Fort Scott (Kan.) bank. After his escape he was captured on a golf course in Kansas City with two Chicago mail train robbers and returned to prison.
Witnesses at the Fort Scott trial identified him as the leader in the $2,000,000 holdup Sept. 17, 1930, of the LIncoln (Neb.) Bank & Trust Co., known as the "world's largest bank robbery."
A few weeks before his arrest on a Texas farm, Bailey and five of his gang sent a letter to an Oklahoma City newspaper confessing the robbery of a Black Rock (Ark.) bank, for which others were under arrest.
They authenticated the letter with finger prints, which proved to be genuine. Bailey was reared on a farm in Sullivan County, Missouri, and served in the World War.
HE ACTS ON HOLIDAYS
It was on the Bailey farm that Fred (Killer) Burke, then called "America's most desperate criminal," was captured. Burke now is serving a life sentence in Michigan for slaying a policeman. Bailey confessed he provided the hideout for Burke.
Calm and affable during his confinement in the Dallas jail, Bailey asserted he would "beat" the kidnapping and murder charges against him.
Holidays are red letter days in the criminal career of Bailey.
It was on last Decoration Day--May 30--that he led the Kansas State Prison break. Today--Labor Day--he escaped from jail, but was recaptured.
On St. Valentine's Day, 1929, eight gangsters were lined up against a garage wall in Chicago and mowed down with machine guns. Bailey has been suspected in connection with the massacre, as was Burke.
OMAHA, Sept. 4---Former railroad associates of Harvey Bailey shook their heads in wonderment today as they heard of his latest jail breaking escapade.
"How did Harvey get that way?" they asked.
Railroad men here knew him for nearly fifteen years as an honest and hard working fireman and engineer on a Council Bluff-Fort Dodge run in Iowa, to them it was incredible that steady old "Bill" Bailey should have become a notorious criminal, an expert with a machine gun. Detective Inspector A. C. Andersen of Omaha knew Bailey well.
JUST AN ORDINARY BOOTLEGGER
"He always looked like a sort of hick to me," said Andersen. "He ran a garage over at Silver City, Ia., and he used to hang around here. He was sort of big and stooped, and he looked like he'd spent all his life walking between the furrows. He certainly didn't look tough and it never occurred to anybody he'd ever turn out to be a killer."
Police Chief Condit of Lincoln, Neb., who checked up on Bailey as the leader in the big bank robbery there, said that after Bailey left Omaha he hung around Minneapolis, St. Paul and Chicago, gradually getting into faster company and eventually becoming a leader. Condit considers him the most dangerous desperado in the country.
(Plain Dealer ~ September 5, 1933
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Last one ...
Odds are Inspector Alfred C. Andersen is in this photo (October 4, 1934):
The photo accompanied this article. I put a red square around the A. C. Andersen mention:
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^^^^Now that's some detective work right there.
Got on Google Earth to see what the house looks like now. Still a very well kept old neighborhood I'm happy to say as a lot of them are not.
A bank is at the location where Alfred's house once stood.
I wonder if Alfred or his kids sold the RM?
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GREAT WORK!!! What fun additions to all of the info that I already have. It does look like the name is Andersen from my historical foundation paperwork as well.
Here is a photo of Inspector Andersen when he was a new patrolman:
Here are the documents from the Smith& Wesson Historical Foundation:
Also, if you note in the first letter from Inspector Andersen, it appears that REG 649 was to be a gift for Chief Robert P. Samardick. It also looks like Inspector Andersen owned REG 252 and that he also wanted a set of magnas for his gun (which S&W later supplied).
Thanks for all your help on the historical research and merry Christmas to all of you!
Very fun to find some of the history of these fine guns,
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Also, if you note in the first letter from Inspector Andersen, it appears that REG 649 was to be a gift for Chief Robert P. Samardick.
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Yes, noted, yet Inspector Andersen got the Registration Certificate in his name. I wonder if the Chief ever got the gun. Anyway, might be interesting to see what history is available on Chief Samardick!
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Yes, noted, yet Inspector Andersen got the Registration Certificate in his name. I wonder if the Chief ever got the gun. Anyway, might be interesting to see what history is available on Chief Samardick!
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Terry:
The registration certificate is one of the reproduction ones offered by the historical foundation as a fundraiser and beautifully calligraphied by Roy's wife Jean - NOTE it is signed by Roy Jinks. I ordered the certificate before I had all of the information from the Historical Foundation - but I too wonder if 649 ever made it to the Chief - see the December 2 1935 order form and note that the chief's signature and information is crossed out and Inspector Andersen's info is written in to the left...
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357Magster, very impressive you found all of that information.
That is a beautiful revolver, to bad the inspector never got to really shoot it!
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Why do you say that? That revolver has been shot. And well taken care of obviously.
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I found quite a bit about Robert P. Samardick. Numerous newspaper articles. Some controversy. Can post if RKmesa wants to see it.
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I found quite a bit about Robert P. Samardick. Numerous newspaper articles. Some controversy. Can post if RKmesa wants to see it.
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I'd love to see it and include it with the gun.
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All historical info surrounding this gun may makes it very special but the gun itself is a very attractive one.
What a beauty!
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That is absolutely beautiful and the slobber factor is very intense!!
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Congrats on another beautiful acquisition! The history accumulated here on the gun's owners is really fascinating!
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Drool.....
Some more stuff on Andersen
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Thank you all for the comments, the incredible research, the likes and your contributions to the history of this fun revolver. I have very much enjoyed this thread and have learned a ton.
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Why do you say that? That revolver has been shot. And well taken care of obviously.
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REG 649 has definitely been shot. In addition, it came to me with an extra 8 3/8" post war (1950's) barrel that also numbers to the gun. So at some time in its past, REG 649 was fitted with a long tube, and I imagine that it was also shot during that era of its 84-year life. A very fun gun.
Another note: The small box in the photos, is one of only two that I have ever seen for sale (I bought the other also, but it went to a friend who had an almost perfect 3.5" Non RM that was in dire need of a box). The above box numbers to a post war 3.5" .357, but looks great with this gun - and it will remain mated to it for as long as I own it. REG 649 most likely shipped in a large Type I box, as I believe that was the only box available for the .357 Magnum in 1935.
Thanks again and Happy New Year,
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