So I have a craving for a smith and wesson revolver chambered in 32-20 wcf I've been looking through the internet but it appears colt lead the way with this chambering..
I enjoy the cartridge alot.
It's so fun to shoot at targets, not to loud, easy as can be to cast a bunch of bullets for, and reloading..haha..that's the best as I'm obsessed with small cartridges.
Did anyone ever make a target model in this cartridge..
Thanks for any input..kind of looking for the know it alls to chime in here, to tell you the truth..I hate to call down the thunder..but..I summons the know it all S&W members for your wisdom
Would it be possible to have a cylinder cut for 32k masterpiece..had one of those in 32 h&r..could be a perfect specimen to go under the knife..
Or was there a gun made as most of my info comes from this forum and the smith and Wesson encyclopedia..as those are the only sources I trust..and the NRA's, and smith and wesson them self..
Happy holidays
I look forward to exploring this topic

Yes, there are some (prewar) .32-20 Target models.

I think you could rechamber one of those .32 H&R M16 reissues to .32-20. I think you would be backing up, but if you are sold on the WCF, it's only money.

Colt did indeed chamber a handgun for the .32 WCF much earlier than S&W, the SAA just a few years after Winchester introduced the round for the rifle. They later added DA revolvers like the Army Special and the Police Positive Special.

Smith & Wesson‘s .32-20 M&P, sometimes referred to as the Winchester model, was available with its own serial range alongside the .38 after the model‘s introduction in 1899.

Factory Target models with 6“ and 6.5“ barrels have been documented across the serial range, the highest in the 140-thousands near the end of production around 1930.

I don‘t know the percentage of target versus standard versions produced.

Yes. S&W did make a target version of the .32-20 Hand Ejector. As Absalom indicated, this variant of the M&P was in production from 1899 until c. 1930, and remained in the catalog until 1940.

Some small percentage of the 144,684 Winchester models produced were configured with an adjustable rear sight and a selection of matching front sights. The one in the photo below, from my collection, has a 5" barrel, adjustable rear sight and Sheard front sight. It left the factory in March, 1904.


Barrel markings on this model are noteworthy. From 1899 until c. 1913, the stamp was 32 Winchester CTG. From c. 1914 until 1922, it was 32 W.C.F. CTG. Finally, from mid-year 1922 until the end of production, it was 32-20 CTG.

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Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318

I get 32/20 S&Ws fairly often. Always service model with fixed sights. I have been looking for 32/20 targets for several years. Nice ones are really expensive I haven’t seen that many but starting price for any is $2K. The 32s are about as scarce. I’ve had several 38sp from same time period.

I have a model of 1905 4th change in .32-20. I would have to dig it out of the safe to get a picture.

I also have a Colt Police Positive in .32-30. But I really am not a big Colt fan.

I have had a number of S&W .32-20s over the years, including a target model. I have also had several Colt revolvers and a couple of Cimarron/Uberti single actions. Add in the rifles and you might say I'm fond of this old black powder cartridge.

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I still have two of these Winchester Models, a 5” and a 6 1/2”. While fun to shoot, they are K frames and haven’t been out lately.

Kevin

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I have a Model 16 that I have a .32-20 WCF cylinder for, along with a .32 S&W Long cylinder, and the original .32 H&R Magnum cylinder, which I had modified to .327 Federal Magnum.

S&W had to stamp their early 32 HEs with 32 WINCHESTER for several years, my guess was it was done while waiting for the patent to expire??

I picked up 1910 5" Target a couple years ago and while researching the model, I came across a few tidbits of information from our illustrious membership. Experts here have estimated that maybe 2% of this model was offered with target sights in the early years from 1905 to 1930. More targets show up in the 1930s than in earlier years. Knowing that 144,000 were made, it is reasonable to think that around 3000 Target guns were made. Now add barrel lengths and the numbers can get very small for the shorter barreled guns. The 5" barrel represented about 30% of production, so that could mean less than 1000 5" Targets were ever produced and less than 500 4" Targets.

Here is the 5" 32 Winchester. It still shoots great!

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I picked up this S&W 1905 4th Change .32-20 (ca. 1924) earlier this year off of GB. Price was reasonable considering some wear on the bluing and stocks, and that a previous owner installed a copper bead on the front sight. Mechanically it's a Swiss watch. There are quite a few Colt and S&W .32-20 revolvers on the auction sites for reasonable prices, although condition varies greatly. I don't think that there's a lot of interest in these guns because they fire an obsolete cartridge, although some manufacturers are producing very good rounds for Cowboy Action shooting.

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I just acquired a 1915 Colt Army Special in 32-20 at the SAR show in Phoenix. It is in very nice condition and shoots small groups. $699

My first gun in 1960 was a first gen Colt SAA in 32-20. Great first gun with mild recoil to learn with and tons of history.

A friend, Toroflow, sold me his Buckeye convertible last year and got me started shooting much hotter 32-20 loads. 135gr at 1330fps.
I've color coded using powder coat on HOT rounds to keep separate from all the other .32's.

Keep looking. They are out there.

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I have a few 32-20 Target Models. Here is a 6" and a 5". If I was ambitious, I could probably find another couple around here. I think I may have a 4" somewhere.

Regards,
Bruce

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here is my brothers 32-20 police positive599165995.jpg

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While I LOVE S&W .32-20s, the one I shoot the best is a 5" Colt Official Police from the late '30s. I believe the thicker front sight has a lot to do with that. I still have a 4" Colt Police Positive Special as well. A Cimarron Model P Jr (7/8 sized SSA) with two cylinders, .32-20 and .32 H&R Magnum live here as well.

I am building a 6" .32 using a re-bored M53 barrel and a .32 H&R Magnum M16-4 cylinder that I re-chambered to .327 Federal Magnum. I also have a pre war .32-20 cylinder that will be fitted to the revolver. It is one of my "round tuit" projects that I need to finish.

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I am privileged to own this Colt Police Positive Special in "32-20 WCF", manufactured in 1911. I have only shot my own cast bullet handloads in it. A very enjoyable gun to shoot.

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Besides the S&W target models identified above, Colt also made both the Single Action Army Standard Frame Target Model (The Flattop) and the Bisley Target Model in many calibers including the 32-20. If you want one of these fine target revolvers be prepared to part with a LOT of cash.


Photo Credits: Rock Island Auction

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Not a Target Model but a good shooter I got off Gunbroker a couple years ago for $250. Always check a 32-20 for a bulged barrel. For some reason I see a lot of them with bulged barrels.

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Late to the party (so what’s new?) but here’s my $.02 worth. IIRC, the OP mentions starting with a Model 16-4 and adding a 32-20 cylinder. This is far and away the easiest and most economical strategy. If you already have a Model 16 in a configuration you like, you just need to purchase a Model 17 cylinder (preferably one with the old style, round extractor body) and have it rechambered and timed up to the otherwise unaltered 16. VOILA, you’re done!

In fact, I’ve got a Model 617 stainless cylinder waiting to do just this on my “Project 616” if I live long enough. A huge advantage of this strategy would be that all of the parts are fairly commonly available AND would be of modern steels, hence of known strength. . I’m thinking I need to drag that cylinder out and let my 616 take another trip to LaGrange, OH to visit with Andy Horvath.

Froggie

I came across a beautiful 1905 m&p in 32/20 back in 2018 on an auction site. I bought it and had never until I got it experieced shooting a 32/20. I absolutely loved it too but my gun unlike so many in that caliber is like new. Its not a target version and has a 5 inch barrel but is so fun to shoot I just had to go out and find a shooter grade gun so I could enjoy shooting many of my own handloaded 32/20. Unfortunately it is difficult to find 6 inch barreled versions and/or target models so I ended up with a 4 inch barrel shooter from the late teens. Now I can shoot away and not degrade my perfect example so it's a toss up in finding a 32/20 that is nice but not so nice you can still enjoy it. The 2 gun method is a way to get the best of both worlds! Good luck in finding 2 good examples to enjoy.

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Holy ****..want to sell it

Wow what feed back ..it appears prices are all over the place..I believe I would prefer a smith target..I need a good shooter..I would prefer no rust ..scratches and ware marks cool ..
Any one let me know what kind of price I would be looking at for something along those lines.

A .32-20 HE Target in the condition you desire will be expensive. They do come along, but you can't be bashful in bidding! I've made that very search myself.

Curl

In conditions less than you desire, prices will all top $500 for either the 32 or 38 Targets. If you are in no hurry and do lots of online research, you will find a very nice one for that price. I picked up a 1920s 38 Target for $400 two years ago in 95% condition, so they are out there to find, but a early 4th Change in Excellent condition is listed in the SCSW4 for $600 without target sights.

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I would expect to pay minimum of over $800 for a sweet example.
I see them listed at $2k as well.

I saw a sweet first gen Colt SAA in 32-20 with 7 1/2" barrel from the guy I bought my Army Special from and he wanted $4,250 and wasn't budging.

Prices are all over the place. Condition and rarity for old, vintage pieces aren't standard. How could they be? Each piece must be evaluated individually and each owner eyeballed for flexibility. I always try to negotiate, but I never want to offend a seller. An old, nomadic, Berber shepherd on the edge of the Sahara desert taught me: "The trick is to get a low offer in without causing the seller to walk away."


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Sellers using online auction houses and gun sites can't be offended. They sell for what they sell for and some sell well below value, but that is the risk of auctions. My 38 Target was ot an online auction and poorly documented and photographed, so maybe overlooked by many. I was very happy to obtain it and would have paid more.

You should have no problem finding a nice example for $800, as many do not sell for that much, but if that is your budget, go for it. Remember that a seller can ask whatever they want for an early K frame Target, but it would have to be very special indeed to be worth $2000.

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Don't want to sell it, and for what I've got in it money wise, I'll just pass it on to my son.

You know, there's a real big problem with having a .32-20 HE. You have to get a rifle to go with it.





So you better start shopping for both items. You can't have one without the other.

I posted my two here: A Couple of .32-20s at the Range Today

Good luck in your search!

Curl

A .38 yes, a .32-20 not likely. For some reason the prewar target .38s generally do not bring a lot, but a target .32-20 (which is what the original poster is looking for) is much less common and typically brings somewhat more money.

You are not looking hard enough Tom. I picked up my 5" 1910 32 Winchester in post #10 for $550 three years ago and have nice 32-20 6" Target that cost $600. I think there is some mystique about 32-20 revolvers, but S&W made a lot of them, so they are not scarce. If the OP is not in a hurry, I am confident that a nice $800 32 Target can be found.

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Here is my 1905 3rd 6” target #53356 shipped 3/1/12
Numbers in all the correct places, no rework stamps
Original finish w/ some flecking on sideplate and bluing loss patina on the front and back of the grip frame. Very minor muzzle wear.
Mechanically great with perfect timing and lock up.
Bore is shines with pronounced rifling.

What would a gun like this sell for here on the forum?

Thanks for any help on valuation.
J

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There is a gizmo called a "Wonder Sight" that replaces the 5th (upper side plate) screw on 5 screw S & W revolvers that effectively makes them into a target model. The rear blade is rather small, much like the target sights of the day. Kind of old school cool. I have one on a 5' 32-20 and a Model 1917.
O.Z.

The 3rd Model ran for 6 years, with just over 20,000 made in standard and target configuration. If one applies the 2% target rule, there would be around 400 3rd Change Target models made. That implies there should be substantial value, BUT auction results don't always show a great deal of enthusiasm and I think that the overall market is not super large. To some, the 32-20 caliber is a must have, but I believe more see it as something that is hard to buy ammunition for, so is passed by.

Having said that, you have a very nice 32 Winchester, one that certainly worth the OPs budget of $800. To an experienced 32-20 collector, over $1000, how much over depends on how many of those buyers find it at auction? A quick search on GB for completed auctions finds 81 non-target 32-20s and over half of the listings did not get a minimum bid? As mentioned above, the prices obtained for this model seem to be all over the board, so any estimate of what the gun would sell for is difficult to predict.

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I did the completed auctions for "32-20" and got 5211.
I did the completed auctions for "32-20 Winchester" and got 1006
I did the completed auctions for "32-20 HE" and only got 5 auctions.
I did the completed auctions for "32 WCF" and got 117.

So guessing what your search phrase was, I couldn't find the 81 records.
Did you search on 32 Winchester special? That is a different caliber from the 32 WCF (or 32-20 WCF).

Did I miss where the post from newellj said 32 Winchester?

Sorry, I'm kind of lost.

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wesson 32-20 was the search. newellj titled his post as 1905 32-20 WCF 3rd change 6” Target

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Here’s my King Modified 32-20 with some Ropers. This is a real joy to shoot.









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Well, I've been watching this thread with interest. I own a late teens vintage 32-20 M&P that to be honest gets very little use. Over the years I've "gotten the bug" several times to own and shoot a gun of one sort or another in 32-20 and started in 1979 with a 4" nickel M&P I found at a shop in Christiansburg, VA, but it didn't hang around long as I wasn't reloading back then. Next came a beautiful 3rd year of production Winchester high wall in 32-20... something of a rare bird, but since I was in a mode to shoot in competition, it was too nice to keep (yeah, I know, dumb move!) Next came a Ruger Blackhawk Buckeye Special in 32 Combo. As I've bemoaned frequently here, I sold that one in one of the dumbest moves of my life.

In recent years I've gotten the two I have now, the M&P I mentioned in opening and a Navy Arms marked Uberti copy of a Colt SAA. I honestly thought I would shoot them both more than I have, and as my time seems to be opening up a little more, that may come to be. As I said in post #19, I may have Project 616 upgraded to dual cylinders as well. I'd like to have an adjustable sighted 32-20 and this could be it... finding the adjustable sighted pre-War M&P I can afford is proving elusive.

Oh well, I guess I've reminisced enough here. If and when the 616 project comes to fruition, I'll start a new thread to let you folks know how that goes. This thread seems to be getting me into the mood.

Froggie

I feel your pain, Mr. Frog.

That "King Modified 32-20 with some Ropers" has my heart pumping.
I may need to intensify my searches.

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A .32-20 rifle to go with your .32-20 revolver(s)? I'm sure I don't know what you mean....

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This is precisely the gun I had in mind beautiful set up..$$$$..looking to sell? Or trade

I just bought a Marlin 1889 in .32-20 WCF. It was made in 1898.

I'll never get the money out of it that I spent to get what I wanted, so it will get passed on to my Son.

Marlin made their 1894 CL in a small batch in the late 1980's. There didn't seem to be enough demand for continued production. But I bought mine back then and love it. I added to it a 6" Colt PPS from 1919, and later picked up a flaked nickel S&W 4" Model 1902, 1st change, made in 1902. These are just fun to shoot guns, and I do, Both revolvers get cast 117 grain RNFP handloads of the Cowboy Action verity. I loaded 500 of the High Velocity jacketed verity back in the 90's, so I have a lifetime supply of that. The Colt seldom gets shot (I don't enjoy how the grips fit my hand) The S&W goes for long walks in the woods. (If I'm not carrying my 1917)

Ivan

Here are 3 of my 32-20 revolvers. Top revolver is a 5” fixed sight shipped in 1911. Middle revolver is a 6” target shipped in 1917.Bottom revolver is a 61/2” 1902 shipped in 1905. Bill

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Here is what a S&W Model 1899 in 32-20 looks like.

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Daaaaamn brother that is a fine pc of steel there..I love the ribbed barrel..can you tell me about the barrel work..very sexy..

Does any one here know if a model 31 or 31 could be converted to 32-20..or is the cylinder to short..now how cool would that be..
I had a perfect model 31 in box ..oh the pain..William..dr smith..I miss that gun..but make it a 32-20 ..perfect kit gun ..

The cylinder is too short. However, it can be rechambered to .32 H&R Magnum.

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