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Old 12-26-2019, 12:42 PM
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Quiet day for me on the homefront, nursing a whopping headache, a cold that is finally on the mend, baby is napping, wife is at work. So I thought I'd have a look at my guns as I've been eyeing my collection for downsizing. Something that seems to happen after bachelorhood is left behind and a baby comes along.

It's had me thinking long and hard about favorite guns. My wife likes that Marie Kondo lady, and asks me if my guns "spark joy".

Problem is so many of them do. I tried just now to go look through my collection and pick just one. I could not do it. Although there are 5 stand outs.





From the top, going around:

My favorite 1917, just a bit modified with a cut down barrel, King Super Police sights, slightly modified butt for some custom walrus stocks, and hammer off of a Registered Magnum.

This gun is responsible for the only time in my adult life that I felt that "kid on Christmas morn" feeling. I purchased a few guns from David Carroll, and he included this one, without me knowing it was coming. The others were all great guns, but this one, boy, it just made (and makes) me very happy. He was also kind enough to just let me pay (an entirely fair price mind you) whenever I could. Great guy.


My Colt Camp Perry model, equipped with King sights and a set of Ropers that fit me (I looked a long time for those). I adore S&Ws, but as much as I hate to admit it this is my very favorite gun to shoot. The first time I took it to the range with some of my friends, one of them brought their dad who is an army ranger. He, uh, almost wouldn't give it back. He spent the rest of the day with it.

It may not be my most historic gun, it may not be "correct", and it may not be a S&W, but I'll be damned if there isn't something incredibly relaxing about putting a couple boxes of .22lr exactly where you want on paper in an afternoon with it.


My first ($150) registered magnum which, had no rear sight and took me years to find one. It may not have any finish. It may have an extra hole in the top strap. It may be the ugliest registered magnum on earth. But you know what? I love it. I love shooting it. I love that people don't feel intimidated to shoot it. I love the mystery of it having apparently spent time in Mexico before finding its way to Washington state, hanging on a nail in a shed, until the owner of the house thought; "I bet someone would like that old revolver". Why yes sir, I would like that old revolver.

When I bought it, I didn't really know what a Registered Magnum was. But when a man with a table full of knives at the gunshow put a $150 sticker on it, and set it in front of me, I of course had to scoop it up. I may not have known much, but I knew any .357 magnum with a good action was worth $150, even with a missing sight.

Today I put a set of 'broken' Ropers on it, which fit my hands very nicely. They are a set that were so incredibly warped when I bought them that there was a gap at the bottom wide enough you could read the S/N through them. I put them on a gun years ago, and once in a while would notice when I was moving guns around that the screw was loose, so I absent mindendly tightened it. Eventually, that action seems to have put them right. I had hoped to find a similar set in rough shape, to match the gun, but "rough" with Ropers seems to mean "molested", and the couple molested sets I put on there were never quite right. With looking at which guns I like the most, I just decided that these ropers which fit me and I love, can go on this gun which I love shooting. Here they shall live.d


What can I say about this modified Model 3 DA? I mean really. It's been chopped, refinished, heavily modified (the changes to the hammer/firing pin are a work of art). I fell in love with this jalopy that few others seemed to even notice.

Then the fine people at the SWHF were able to tell me that the S&W Service Department did the modifications! I mean, I knew they were well done, I knew the overall effect was grand. But to get that bit of information was more then I had ever dared dream. And on top of it, this gun has been stalking my family! In '49 when it was modified it was done for someone in a town just north of where my Mom was born, and most of her side of the family lives! Prior to that it spent time in Spokane, right around when my Grandfather/Mother were living there before moving back to Minnesota.

How could I not love such a gun dearly?


This 'Keith no. 5' sort of Colt Bisley SAA, which isn't.

As I think any younger gun collector would do, I have gone to the gun writers of the era I found myself loving, and reading Keith, Roper, and McGivern a young fellow finds himself with...desires. One of which was for a proper Keith No. 5. I had assumed that I would have to have one made, and had been slowly putting together parts for such an undertaking. Then this gun popped up on an auction.

It was labeled as a King modified Colt Bisley. No mention of the SAA Front Strap / Custom Backstrap (diagnostic of a Keith no.5 job). I paid less then the work to make the gun would cost, much less what a donor gun + parts would be. It was to be my last big splurge before marriage, and what a thing it turned out to be.

The gun was entirely pleasing mechanically (overly so to be honest), but the advertised "King" work was not. King put his name on whatever came out of his shop, and here we just had some little ampersands on various bits of the gun. No matter, the gun is straight up glorious mechanically, and the S&W rear sight entertained me, as clearly S&W made then, as they did for a long long time, the best factory sights you could get.

Then, some time after I had owned it, one of my roommates said that he had to sign for some package for me. This was baffling, as it seemed to be an envelope. Inside was the original invoice from Colt, in 1920, for all the modifications made to the gun for one C.M. McCutcheon. A man who clearly had some great ideas about what constituted a good Bisley. I'm baffled that Colt didn't immediately start manufacturing these guns as a New Bisley, or something else, because to say that this thing is good is an understatement.



Sitting here, nursing this headache, drinking some coffee, and reflecting on God's blessings in a time that the world comes together to celebrate his magnificent gift for us, I have to say... I may not be a wealthy man, but God has blessed me with the guns of wealthy men. Guns which 'spark joy' and give me an taste of what it means to have and enjoy very fine things. I love that old S&Ws can give that taste to anyone, on any budget, and that the recognition of quality that fine pre-war S&Ws taught me to recognize, and appreciate, led me to guns which are pleasing in so many dimensions.


So, in this Christmas time, have any of you been reflecting on your favorite Gun(s)?

Are any of you capable of picking just one? I'm clearly not

Merry Christmas!

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I can not pick just one but I can pick one lineage. I like S&W 45ACP revolvers, from the 1917 up to the 22-4, including the Mountain Gun. Better if they have a 4” barrel but the long tubes are “OK”.

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Caleb,

Like you, I can not pick one. I think that you are right in the regard that these classics allow us to enjoy some of the finer things in life (even if it's not what the internet says is kosher).

Merry Christmas, and type softly so as not to wake the baby
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That's a fantastic post! Your passion for the guns you talked about flows smoothly in your words. All of my favorites are modern guns and don't fit in this area of the site.
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That's a fantastic post! Your passion for the guns you talked about flows smoothly in your words. All of my favorites are modern guns and don't fit in this area of the site.
That's a good point, only two of my five technically belong here.

Maybe the post should be moved over to the Lounge?


I'm probably, well... not wrong, but certainly a bit of a rule breaker on that front. The reason being that the Smith-wessonforum.com is the best gun forum on the internet, and the people who hang out in '96 - '61 here are the best group of people I've ever had the pleasure to interact with on a public forum.

The people in guns that I admire most frequent this specific forum, and elsewhere, but I always feel like this is the nexus. For reasons I could speculate about, but I suspect you all know why you are here.
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Great post, and you display a selection of guns that many of us would be proud to choose even one sample from! From your previous postings and guns you have discussed, I had envisioned you as being a much older, long time collector... a graybeard like so many of us here. You’ve been very busy, Grasshopper.

I hope you aren’t facing the need to divest yourself of any of these since money comes along every payday, but each of those represents a once in a lifetime find. Even with the “softening” of the revolver market, these would form the basis for a delightful inheritance for your baby and any of its siblings to be!

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In this era (1896-1961), my fav is a 5" .44 Special Triple Lock. Someone had it parkerized, but it shoots like a house a fire. I paid too much for it, but I DON'T CARE!
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This is often (but maybe not every single day) my favorite gun. But it is always the one I'm most astonished and pleased to have been able to add to the collection:

Model of 1946 .38 Target (aka "Mexican").




This model combines the prewar long action with the larger micro-click rear sight that S&W first used on the K-22/40 (K-22 Second Model). The front sight (Call gold bead) is higher to match the elevated notch in the rear sight.

Only five specimens of this model are above the horizon in the collector community at the moment. This one is S814910, shipped April 30, 1946 to a S&W distributor in New York. At least 2100 were manufactured, and perhaps as many as 3000. Over 99 percent of them were exported to foreign countries, primarily Mexico. (S&W was not interested in marketing them here because they were planning the K-38 Masterpiece to fill the niche that this model briefly served.) It is certainly possible that several dozen (or even a few hundred) survive outside of the United States, but it's hard to see that more than a handful of them might be discovered and purchased for reimport to the US. This is probably a persistently rare model.
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I feel your post is unfair. It's like asking a father which of his 100 or more of his children is his favorite. Here is one of mine. It is a 22/32 Heavy Barrel Target with what I think is the only Humpback hammer. It is a Club Gun. The serial number is 0345. It letterers with the 2" barrel shipped May 29, 1928 to Dana Bull. I believe he was a grandson of D B Wesson.
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Great post, and you display a selection of guns that many of us would be proud to choose even one sample from! From your previous postings and guns you have discussed, I had envisioned you as being a much older, long time collector... a graybeard like so many of us here. You’ve been very busy, Grasshopper.

I hope you aren’t facing the need to divest yourself of any of these since money comes along every payday, but each of those represents a once in a lifetime find. Even with the “softening” of the revolver market, these would form the basis for a delightful inheritance for your baby and any of its siblings to be!

Regards and Happy New Year!
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I was...very busy

Thing is I think I got in at a slightly odd time in that I started buying guns right around the time that pawn shops had figured out to put everything they didn't understand on gunbroker.

I was able to pick up a lot of knowledge on this (frankly astonishing) forum regarding the...unusual. The unique, and to me at least, interesting.

The problem with the internet is that it quickly makes the truly great, but not unique or scarce, sort of...boring? Like, I adore my 4" 5 Screw Pre-29:



It's cool, scarce, in a condition that lets me shoot it without worry, but then I pull out something like this Non-Registered Magnum:



And as awesome as the pre-29 is, I find it's somehow diminished in my "sparks joy" meter.


So for me it sort of became like this; as phenomenal as the post-war S&Ws are, they pale in comparison for the sheer luxury of pre-war offerings, specifically the premium guns like The .357 Magnum. It was kind of like being used to T-Bone Steak, which is excellent, but then some jerk comes along and says...I hear you like T-Bone, have you ever tried a Waygu Filet Mignon?

You people on this forum, you are the ones that ruined me by showing me wonders that I could not have dreamt of.


And then...there was, as I mentioned. The internet. With the internet buying a 4" pre-29 is just a matter of money for the most part, maybe a little bit of patience given that they verge on scarce. Really though, it's just a matter of money.

With the internet though the truly rare, and unique, can pop up from time to time. And if you enjoy compulsively looking for the rare and unique you can come up with some very interesting things. Things which spark joy in me.

I bought some duds, learned a lot, and eventually fell into a groove of buying things that I could afford, found interesting, and that sparked joy. And then the S&W Historical Foundation often fills in some of the gaps in my knowledge on such guns. I think my success rate with information from that fine outfit has a lot to do with the fact that in my budget, interesting guns were always used guns, and usually modified to purpose. Turns out that guys who would have a gun modified were often in contact with S&W. More often then I even dreamed (see that Model 3 DA above).


All of this makes me slightly sad though that I don't have a gun budget as I once did.

I happened across an (overpriced) M&P at the last gunshow that was in gorgeous shape, but more importantly had what appeared to be a factory checkered back/front strap & trigger.

It was screaming at me; 'Sixgun! Sixgun! Buy me, you *know* I have interesting history! You *know* I was a custom order or a service department job! Expense be damned! You must *know* what that history is!'

I shook my head at the gun, and whispered; 'I can try gun, I can try'.

The lowball offer of all the money in my wallet, being $300 below the $650 the guy wanted for his M&P, was refused. Despite my obvious wretchedness at having a severely limited gun budget due to baby, the seller could not feel sympathetic enough to sell it to me.

Alas.
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Don't know if it's my favorite but it is the one I carry the most.

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... 5 stand outs.

Caleb:

Two of my favorites from your collection - that well used RM and that King Super Police 45. I love it every time you post them. Thanks for sharing the guns and their stories.
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That would be my third series Colt Woodsman MT,shipped in 1956 and my faithful companion for over 38 years.
Not original , has been reblued, has wrong grips and a second series slide release lever, but here in Brazil it´s a real prize.
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Hands down favorite handgun is the Colt SAA.
My newest...Sheriff's strapped with ivory.
Favorite Smith the Model 19.

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That would be my third series Colt Woodsman MT,shipped in 1956 and my faithful companion for over 38 years.
Not original , has been reblued, has wrong grips and a second series slide release lever, but here in Brazil it´s a real prize.
Regards to all Happy New Year, Ray
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I had a couple of those before I went to a stainless Ruger .22 auto. Nice guns!

My favorite is my M-66-3, four-inch barrel, Pachmayr Presentation grips. Best all-round handgun I've found. I do shoot more .357 ammo in my GP-100, but the M-66 will take Magnum loads when needed and is handier and more concealable. I bought it new in 1990.

My M-60-4 is probably runner-up.

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Never held or shot a Ruger auto, but my handgun fever started back in 1980 when I shot a friend´s Ruger single six. Later, same year, while visiting an uncle he showed me his pieces and among them, lo and behold, a Colt Woodsman MT.Thus the die was cast. Next year I found mine in a São Paulo gun shop and bought it.
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The middle of the 3 in this Model 19 family shot is a 19-2 that is still my favorite S&W.

My favorite of your 5 pictured is the 1917, which beat out the Bisley by a nose.

I like the leather jacket as a background. I may have to try that myself, although mine is not as deep and rich of a color.
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I had a lot more guns at the beginning of the year.

I parted with several of them just to add a few more.

Right now I have all of my favorite guns. Well almost.






When I think "favorite" my 1960 6.5" M27 is the first one to come to mind.



My 1978 M28-2 has the most sentimental value.



This M58 is one of my favorite shooters.



I also like shooting my M&P .45. This is my only semi-auto handgun.



My brother carried this M66-1 during the first 10 years of being a Deputy Sheriff.
It not only holds a lot of sentimental value but it is also a favorite to shoot.



Another favorite, my DS Arms SA 58.

I have others that monetarily are worth more than these.
I have one that is quite rare and a couple that are very desirable.

But that doesn't make them my favorites.
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Ever since I shot one, the Colt Officer's Model Special (4th issue) has been high on my list of "gotta have" revolvers. The majority of my collection is postwar, pre-1957 S&W revolvers, but this Colt model really is "special". Here is the 22lr version (right) with its 38 special sibling. Both made around 1949-50. Both acquired this year. The 22 is lights out the most accurate revolver I own. A friend of mine who is a competitive shooter can shoot a small ragged hole at 25 yards with this gun. Though I can't come close to that, I do shoot it better than any other gun I own. If I had to choose a favorite S&W, it would be my Model of 1950, pre-26, or maybe....
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I can't narrow it down to just one. These are three of my favorites.The first is a transitional Heavy Duty with a pre-war 5" barrel. It belonged to a very good friend of mine's father who died about 40 years ago. He approached me about a year ago and wanted to know if I would be interested in trading it for my Winchester model 71 that he had been lusting after for several years. It had a set of Plastic "Stagrips". Had bigmountainman fab these Elk horn grips that look great and feel fantastic.
The second is a 44 mag shipped in late '57 that is very easy on the eyes that I purchase for $550 way back in the day.
The third is a 44 mag shipped in early '57. Bought it in about 2005.
I have others, but these are at the top.
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My favorite is not one that I would expect. I like older blue guns with long barrels and nowadays, wood stocks. My favorite is shown below.

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It's the Model 629-3 Mountain Gun that I bought brand new in 1993, not the M29-2. Even though it's stainless, even though it's just a 4" barrel, even though it wears Pachmayr rubber grips, even though it's not in the 1896-1961 category. The Compac Pro grip on the round butt grip frame fits my hand better than just about anything and makes even full-house loads easy to shoot. By comparison the target grips on the blue M29 are pretty to look at but miserable to use, even with the added weight of the untapered barrel.

I find it a great all-around gun. It's for shootin', not for lookin' at.

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Really difficult to choose one.
My first choice, and the one that brought me to this group is my 4" 1905 Target in 38 Spl. Not collector grade in many eyes, primarily because it lacks all blue. It was originally shipped to one of the infamous Hatfield clan, who was later killed in an ambush sparked by a dispute over bootlegging territory. Since it now resides in Texas, it seems only fitting that it sports ivory steerhead stocks and a carved Brill holster.

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My favorite revolver? Easy. Little Model 18-3 that I bought in 2000. Paid $325 to an acquaintance who had cancer and wanted to sell some guns. Very fine little pistol. God only knows how many bricks of .22 LR ammo I have fired in that revolver! For many years I fired about a brick a week ... sometimes more. Got to where I could hold 2 inch groups SA and ... with a lot of work ... 2.5-3.0 inch groups DA at 25 yds. That will really really improve your shooting with Glock pistols! It is my most favorite, most shot, most enjoyed revolver. Other revolvers I will choose and use for other purposes that require a heavier caliber. But, for general out and about shooting at anything and everything from paper targets to cans and pine cones ... I will without second thought select that beautiful little Model 18 ... and a brick of good .22 LR ammunition ... and head out the door. Sincerely. bruce.
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I would have to say that my favorite has a little S&W logo on the side or says Smith and Wesson on the barrel top.
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I have a nice modest collection of S&W revolvers but this model 10-5 was my first and has been a companion for over 50 years. Given to me on my 16th birthday by a mentor, my best friend’s father, it’s always in the shooting bag.
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Benelli Super Black Eagle II semi-auto 12 gauge, hands down. Sold my K22 mint Outdoorsman to buy it, with no regrets. Triples on teal and quail are made simple with it. It serves more purposes than any other gun I have. Don't hunt deer with it, but I could if had to. Skeet is fun practice.

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Favorite is tough. I have pretty eclectic tastes from wheel guns to “assault weapons” to .22’s

I try to get rid of any that aren’t up to snuff so I guess the remainders are all my favorites?
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I would have to say that my favorite has a little S&W logo on the side or says Smith and Wesson on the barrel top.
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I have several guns, 10's, K38, 15's, 17, 18, 19 pre23, 25, 27, 28's, 29, 629, but I guess I am drawn to the M28. I guess it is the no nonsense working man's sidearm that attracts me
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My Target TL. Freshly back from the range today. 6 rounds in the nose of the Evil Clown (shooting with the kids again). My TLs always give me great results .



Between the 11 and 13 year olds, they zipped through 200 rounds with the RAMI.
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Really difficult to choose one.
My first choice, and the one that brought me to this group is my 4" 1905 Target in 38 Spl. Not collector grade in many eyes, primarily because it lacks all blue. It was originally shipped to one of the infamous Hatfield clan, who was later killed in an ambush sparked by a dispute over bootlegging territory. Since it now resides in Texas, it seems only fitting that it sports ivory steerhead stocks and a carved Brill holster.

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Bruce that is a cool gun, I see why it is a favorite with a history like that. I am a professional transmission rebuilder here in SC. a couple of years ago I rebuilt a transmission for one of the Hatfield women, but no guns were involved or pointed at me, thank God,,,,,,,,,,,
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That's an easy choice, the 1911 that my ladies great uncle carried in WW1 as a fighter pilot. It came home with his body when he was killed and sat for 99 years. It was made in 1912 is the best fitting 1911 I have ever come across old or new.
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My current favorite is revolver many wouldn’t give a second look. It’s a “plain ol’ vanilla” 4” Model 64 HB. It had some bad scars on the top strap when I got it but mechanically it was nice and tight. I took a strip of 120 grit sandpaper and ran it across the top strap to level the metal but still left a dull finish. For some reason I just really like this gun. I bought a wadcutter mold for it and can’t wait to cast some up and shoot them. I expect 3gr or so of Bullseye should be a kitten to shoot and group well.
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I'd have to say this 1960 4-screw Highway Patrolman (thanks again, Leonard) is my current favorite. It was a HP that got me interested in S&W revolvers a decade or so ago and it remains my favorite model. I'd be more interested in the .44s if I lived out west but .357 Magnum is plenty medicine for anything I might encounter here in Michigan.

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I only have 1 revolver in the 1896 -1961 group. It is a 28 no dash from 1960. It was my 1st, N frame, and first online purchase. Have been very happy with it. It has worn many stocks over the years. Here are a few. Bob
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The one I currently hold in my hand......................
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What can I say, My favorite is my Birth year, Month and almost Day K-22 Masterpiece.

Dressed in a nice set of Culina Magna's

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My favorite hand gun is this .45 cal. of 1950/pre 26. Everyone's probably tired of seeing this picture.



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can't get to much of a good thing, and that 45 of 1950 is a good thing!!
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In this time frame, that’s easy...my Pre Model 27, 3.5”.
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Downsize? Don't, my friend. Just DON'T. Eventually you'll likely regret it. If circumstances mandate downsizing, then go for the honorable priority. Otherwise, keep whatcha got.

In my case, the last one to go would be Mom's Remington Model 34. It's the 22 I learned to shoot with. Somewhere around here there's a photo of me trying to shoot it with the butt poking out under my armpit. I must have been six years old. It's not my favorite shooter, but that Model 34 means more to me than anything. Mom had it when she was a kid on the farm in Montana. That's when it (and she) poked a hole in the roof of Uncle Milo's car.

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